Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Ed Smith · January 26th, 2005, 10:58 AM

When you are using the zoom feature in the motion control window, you can also use the program monitor to resize the image.

So, on your picture select the motion control option. Then on the program monitor (right hand side), some handles should appear around the frame of the monitor. Simply click and drag on one so that the image is resized to fit the screen.

Cheers,

Ed Smith · January 26th, 2005, 11:03 AM

Hi Will,

In order to export a 5.1 surround mix I beleive it needs to be AC3 audio. PP lets you have 2 goes at doing this, after which you have to purcahse the plugin to continue using it.

Encore should be able to accept AC3 audio, also Premiere should be able to burn directly from the timeline to DVD.

PCM audio is a high quality stereo audio file (It does not contain 5.1)

Thanks,

Adam Rench · January 26th, 2005, 11:27 AM

Cool man. I'll check those out.

You know what.. I have sorensen squeeze 4. Can I export from Premiere using squeeze? Or, maybe I could render out an uncompressed avi and then use squeeze to convert to wmv maybe?

Graham Hickling · January 26th, 2005, 12:25 PM

Just to confirm Ed's points.

5.1 audio on a DVD is usually AC3 (or occasionally DTS). But PCM is only stereo.

Premiere Pro cannot encode to AC3 itself - it can only do so only through the Surcode Plugin which costs (!) extra.

There is no technical problem in using a separate program to encode your audio. For example, you can easily export 6 separate wav files from premiere, encode those with a separate encoder, and then pull the resulting AC3 file back into Encore which will mux it back together with your video stream. All of the commercial encoders are costly because of licencing, but there is this: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/

Be aware that there are various flavors of AC3. Some low-end DVD authoring packages advertise that they "encode to AC3" but its stereo (2.0) not surround (5.1) AC3 that they produce.

Glenn Chan · January 26th, 2005, 01:05 PM

Another way to do this:

Shoot many takes, with the people walking down one side of the screen, then another part of the scene, then another. In post production, you can combine all the takes.

I think the problem with that is there's going to be a gap between the actors in the different takes. If you don't want the gap then you can get the actors/extras to be closer together and you may have to rotoscope (very time consuming). You will also need an effects supervisor while shooting to make sure you avoid problems that would take a lot of effort to fix in post. You may also be able to capture into a laptop and quickly throw together the effect to see if it's working.

I'm not too sure on the exact details of this as I have never done it. However I do know it's done on some high-end commercials.

Pete Bauer · January 26th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Thanks for letting us know! Glad your problem was solved, and at the same time I'm pleased to learn of the plug-in.

David Yuen · January 26th, 2005, 01:56 PM

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Clint Comer · January 27th, 2005, 06:41 AM

SWEET!!

Thanks a lot man.

Drew Meinecke · January 27th, 2005, 10:00 AM

I’m very new to all of this and I’m not really following it, can I do all of those things with the Adobe Video Collection software? And is there a website that explains all of these things?

Will Turner · January 27th, 2005, 11:01 AM

Thank you, gentlemen. I've tried BeSweet, but it will not open a file exported from PPro unless I break up the 5.1 into 6 separate files. However, I've read widely that after BeSweet converts those 6 files into AC3 the result is 5.1 audio at a very low volume level, so I have not gone that route.

I will try the link you suggested: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/

Thank you.

Pete Bauer · January 27th, 2005, 11:42 AM

Hi folks,

It has been a while since I played with exporting multi-channel audio, but I do THINK you should be able to get your 5.1 onto DVD.

Since the Surcode trial only give you three tries, I'd export from PPro (and possibly Audition for the audio) in an uncompressed AVI that has multichannel PCM audio, or as separate (multichannel PCM) audio and video files. Then import into Encore, transcode, and transcode/burn. You should be able to use either AC3 (and thus burning up a trial run of Surcode), or to multichannel PCM.

I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can recall, PCM isn't inherently stereo audio -- it is required as a format that DVD players worldwide can read -- BUT output through most PC audio systems gets downmixed to stereo.

Limited time right now so not able to check into this, but perhaps in this evening I can dig into it a little again and refresh my memory.

Terry Lyons · January 27th, 2005, 11:46 AM

Hey Guys I just found a box in the video capture prefrences window I think and it asks if you want ppro to fit the images. I tried it and it worked great. I had also resized like you Guys said and that went well also. The reason I got the chance to try the box was when rendering ppro just shut down. Well I've been used to that so it turned into a learning experience. Now that thats done im off to try to export to a dvd. Thanks again TAG

Will Turner · January 27th, 2005, 11:55 AM

Yes, Surcode works fine. I've produced one DVD containing 5.1 audio. It sounded fabulous, but not fabulous enough for me to plunk down $300 for Surcode. I understand that this is cheap as far as AC3 encoders go, but not cheap as far as my budget goes.

Graham Hickling · January 27th, 2005, 04:13 PM

>>>BeSweet it will not open a file exported from PPro unless I break up the 5.1 into 6 separate files.

Correct. That's the way all the standalone surround encoders that I'm familiar with work.... it doesnt really slow the process down much - just a few extra mouseclicks.

There's an ongoing debate about 'correct' AC3 volume - not sure where the latest version of BSweet is with that.

>>>PCM isn't inherently stereo audio

Correct again - what I was meaning to say is that the PCM audio stream on a DVD player cannot provide true 5.1 audio; the spec calls for AC3 or DTS.

Jimmy McKenzie · January 28th, 2005, 10:16 AM

Hi John, Perhaps you have had a chance to duplicate the functionality that I referred to earlier?
It's minor, but I think a sensible direction toward effortless keyframe placement.

January 26th, 2005, 10:58 AM	#241
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	When you are using the zoom feature in the motion control window, you can also use the program monitor to resize the image. So, on your picture select the motion control option. Then on the program monitor (right hand side), some handles should appear around the frame of the monitor. Simply click and drag on one so that the image is resized to fit the screen. Cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

January 26th, 2005, 11:03 AM	#242
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Will, In order to export a 5.1 surround mix I beleive it needs to be AC3 audio. PP lets you have 2 goes at doing this, after which you have to purcahse the plugin to continue using it. Encore should be able to accept AC3 audio, also Premiere should be able to burn directly from the timeline to DVD. PCM audio is a high quality stereo audio file (It does not contain 5.1) Thanks, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

January 26th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#246
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Thanks for letting us know! Glad your problem was solved, and at the same time I'm pleased to learn of the plug-in. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 26th, 2005, 01:56 PM	#247
David Yuen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 185	Check the Adobe site New feature highlights

January 27th, 2005, 06:41 AM	#248
Clint Comer Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 144	SWEET!! Thanks a lot man. __________________ Vlog On! http://youtube.com/clintus

January 26th, 2005, 11:27 AM	#243
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	Cool man. I'll check those out. You know what.. I have sorensen squeeze 4. Can I export from Premiere using squeeze? Or, maybe I could render out an uncompressed avi and then use squeeze to convert to wmv maybe?

January 26th, 2005, 12:25 PM	#244
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Just to confirm Ed's points. 5.1 audio on a DVD is usually AC3 (or occasionally DTS). But PCM is only stereo. Premiere Pro cannot encode to AC3 itself - it can only do so only through the Surcode Plugin which costs (!) extra. There is no technical problem in using a separate program to encode your audio. For example, you can easily export 6 separate wav files from premiere, encode those with a separate encoder, and then pull the resulting AC3 file back into Encore which will mux it back together with your video stream. All of the commercial encoders are costly because of licencing, but there is this: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/ Be aware that there are various flavors of AC3. Some low-end DVD authoring packages advertise that they "encode to AC3" but its stereo (2.0) not surround (5.1) AC3 that they produce.

January 26th, 2005, 01:05 PM	#245
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Another way to do this: Shoot many takes, with the people walking down one side of the screen, then another part of the scene, then another. In post production, you can combine all the takes. I think the problem with that is there's going to be a gap between the actors in the different takes. If you don't want the gap then you can get the actors/extras to be closer together and you may have to rotoscope (very time consuming). You will also need an effects supervisor while shooting to make sure you avoid problems that would take a lot of effort to fix in post. You may also be able to capture into a laptop and quickly throw together the effect to see if it's working. I'm not too sure on the exact details of this as I have never done it. However I do know it's done on some high-end commercials.

January 27th, 2005, 10:00 AM	#249
Drew Meinecke Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 53	I’m very new to all of this and I’m not really following it, can I do all of those things with the Adobe Video Collection software? And is there a website that explains all of these things?

January 27th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#250
Will Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 25	Thank you, gentlemen. I've tried BeSweet, but it will not open a file exported from PPro unless I break up the 5.1 into 6 separate files. However, I've read widely that after BeSweet converts those 6 files into AC3 the result is 5.1 audio at a very low volume level, so I have not gone that route. I will try the link you suggested: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/ Thank you. __________________ Will

January 27th, 2005, 11:42 AM	#251
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hi folks, It has been a while since I played with exporting multi-channel audio, but I do THINK you should be able to get your 5.1 onto DVD. Since the Surcode trial only give you three tries, I'd export from PPro (and possibly Audition for the audio) in an uncompressed AVI that has multichannel PCM audio, or as separate (multichannel PCM) audio and video files. Then import into Encore, transcode, and transcode/burn. You should be able to use either AC3 (and thus burning up a trial run of Surcode), or to multichannel PCM. I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can recall, PCM isn't inherently stereo audio -- it is required as a format that DVD players worldwide can read -- BUT output through most PC audio systems gets downmixed to stereo. Limited time right now so not able to check into this, but perhaps in this evening I can dig into it a little again and refresh my memory. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 27th, 2005, 11:46 AM	#252
Terry Lyons Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alta Sierra Posts: 182	Hey Guys I just found a box in the video capture prefrences window I think and it asks if you want ppro to fit the images. I tried it and it worked great. I had also resized like you Guys said and that went well also. The reason I got the chance to try the box was when rendering ppro just shut down. Well I've been used to that so it turned into a learning experience. Now that thats done im off to try to export to a dvd. Thanks again TAG __________________ TAG

January 27th, 2005, 11:55 AM	#253
Will Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 25	Yes, Surcode works fine. I've produced one DVD containing 5.1 audio. It sounded fabulous, but not fabulous enough for me to plunk down $300 for Surcode. I understand that this is cheap as far as AC3 encoders go, but not cheap as far as my budget goes. __________________ Will

January 27th, 2005, 04:13 PM	#254
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	>>>BeSweet it will not open a file exported from PPro unless I break up the 5.1 into 6 separate files. Correct. That's the way all the standalone surround encoders that I'm familiar with work.... it doesnt really slow the process down much - just a few extra mouseclicks. There's an ongoing debate about 'correct' AC3 volume - not sure where the latest version of BSweet is with that. >>>PCM isn't inherently stereo audio Correct again - what I was meaning to say is that the PCM audio stream on a DVD player cannot provide true 5.1 audio; the spec calls for AC3 or DTS.

January 28th, 2005, 10:16 AM	#255
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	still no adobe response... Hi John, Perhaps you have had a chance to duplicate the functionality that I referred to earlier? It's minor, but I think a sensible direction toward effortless keyframe placement.