Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Thomas Fraser · January 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM

Is there anyway I can copy protect my DVD's that I burn from my footage in Premiere Pro 1.5
Or is there software or a standalone product to use?
Thank you

Steven Gotz · January 23rd, 2005, 11:16 PM

No. There isn't any way to protect them. Not unless you pay the big bucks to have them glass mastered, and even then it is easy enough to copy the VOB files.

Steven Gotz · January 23rd, 2005, 11:18 PM

There is a free "Face Blur" tutorial on http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial

Rob Lohman · January 24th, 2005, 06:42 AM

I suspect your assumption is correct. You are sure this file is in
59.94 frames per second and not fields per second (which is just
interlaced)? What is the source of this movie?

Rob Lohman · January 24th, 2005, 07:59 AM

Also see the following threads:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37952
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37402
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=36942
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=25749
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=22050

Will Turner · January 24th, 2005, 11:41 AM

I'm trying to do 5.1 surround using Premiere Pro, Encore DVD and Audition.

Question 1: What audio transcoding should I use in PPro when I export that will keep the 5.1 audio but that Encore will be able to import?

Question 2: Can Encore import and burn a DVD that uses 5.1 audio? If so, what format must the audio be in to be able to import it, AC3, PCM... what?

Questions 3: Will PPro burn video and 5.1 audio to DVD without me having to buy another transcoder (like the surcode demo that came with PPro for $295!)? If so, what settings should I use.

Thank you.

Joshua Provost · January 24th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Josh, in Windows Media Encoder, there are settings to deinterlace while compressing. Just feed it your finished interlaced AVI file. That seems to do the trick for me.

Arman Bohn · January 24th, 2005, 02:43 PM

Hey -

I'm shooting my next short on Super8 film at 24p.

My transfer house can only do standard 3:2 pulldown, not the advanced pulldown.

1) Do I need a DVX100 to import 3:2 pulldown footage from my transfer house? It seems any miniDV camera should be able to playback a standard 3:2 pulldown (it's just 60i with a funky repetition of frames..).

2) What am I losing by not using the advanced pulldown? My end product will be a DVD.

3) Should I export my final movie as a 24p timeline from PP1.5 to Encore? Or should I stick with the native DV 29.97? What would look better given the standard 3:2 pulldown?

-a

Joshua Provost · January 24th, 2005, 04:24 PM

You are losing some quality with the standard 2:3 pulldown.

2:3:3:2 Advanced pulldown ensures that you can recover the original frames as whole frames. The single split frame is discarded.

2:3 Standard pulldown will have frames that are not fully recoverable as full frames. Some of your original frames will be split and compressed jointly, resulting in a quality loss. Some people have reported that those split frames have a noticable brightness difference from the other frames.

If you are a stickler for quality, insist on Advanced pulldown only.

Further, some people edit the footage without removing the pulldown. While this is generally acceptable, split frames may slip through at times, which can foil the deinterlacing in some progressive displays (like plasma screens), and this may be noticable.

Best bet is to remove the pulldown and edit in a 24fps timeline. Output that directly to DVD and let the DVD player recreate pulldown upon playback.

Chris Metts · January 24th, 2005, 07:29 PM

Thanks Pete!

The Multi-Band and Dynamic effects work really well, I don't have anymore audio cracking! I belive it's the best way to go to fix this problem. I've never been the best at audio so im still trying to figure it all out. I geuss practice makes perfect, thanks for all the info its really helped me alot!

Chris

Rich Wong · January 24th, 2005, 08:32 PM

It was something I saved off an ATI TV capture card. After tinkering more with Premiere, I'm getting the feeling that it does not have the ability to edit MPEG files correctly...

Adam Rench · January 24th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Hey all,

I have the HDR-FX1 Sony cam and I'm using Premiere Pro 1.5 w/ the cineform plug-in. I'm able to import the HDV footage and it looks SUPERB in the source/composer windows. I cut it, threw in some transitions and I'm now onto export my clip.

OK, now, I have two problems I'm facing here.

1) When I use the media encoder, I get the error message saying "Audio upmixing is not allowed. Cancelling the operation". I checked the Adobe forums for this and what I found out in the searches was that I'm trying to pump either mono into a stereo sound or, I'm trying to pump stereo sound into 5.1 sound. I'm not trying to do any of that. All I want to do is export the darn thing!! Anyone have any ideas on this?

2) When I uncheck the "audio" checkbox so I don't get that error anymore, everyone of my movies is very choppy. Doesn't matter the res, it can as small as your left mouse button and it will still be choppy. I just can't seem to export it correctly. It looks great in Premiere. Any ideas on this one?

Rob Lohman · January 25th, 2005, 04:02 AM

1. to what format are you exporting? (I assume Windows Media / WMV)

2. what codec / template have are you using?

3. any settings you are changing?

Rob Lohman · January 25th, 2005, 04:05 AM

That may very well be. But if you got it of a TV card it should be
60i (59.94 fields per second = interlaced) and not 59.95 fps (frames
per second).

Why do you think it is 59.94 fps? You can try the free www.virtualdub.org
program to load the mpeg and then export it as uncompressed
AVI. In the end I'm pretty sure you are having a field/framerate
problem.

Which version of Premiere?

Dmitry Yun · January 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM

Hey guys, good news it works. I tired out the demo and it works nicely.

January 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM	#211
Thomas Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 70	DVD from Pro/ copy protection? Is there anyway I can copy protect my DVD's that I burn from my footage in Premiere Pro 1.5 Or is there software or a standalone product to use? Thank you __________________ Thanks for your help everyone.

January 24th, 2005, 06:42 AM	#214
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I suspect your assumption is correct. You are sure this file is in 59.94 frames per second and not fields per second (which is just interlaced)? What is the source of this movie? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 24th, 2005, 07:59 AM	#215
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Also see the following threads: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37952 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37402 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=36942 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=25749 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=22050 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 24th, 2005, 11:41 AM	#216
Will Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 25	Getting 5.1 audio into Encore and burning I'm trying to do 5.1 surround using Premiere Pro, Encore DVD and Audition. Question 1: What audio transcoding should I use in PPro when I export that will keep the 5.1 audio but that Encore will be able to import? Question 2: Can Encore import and burn a DVD that uses 5.1 audio? If so, what format must the audio be in to be able to import it, AC3, PCM... what? Questions 3: Will PPro burn video and 5.1 audio to DVD without me having to buy another transcoder (like the surcode demo that came with PPro for $295!)? If so, what settings should I use. Thank you. __________________ Will

January 24th, 2005, 02:43 PM	#218
Arman Bohn New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 21	Film transfer question 24p Hey - I'm shooting my next short on Super8 film at 24p. My transfer house can only do standard 3:2 pulldown, not the advanced pulldown. 1) Do I need a DVX100 to import 3:2 pulldown footage from my transfer house? It seems any miniDV camera should be able to playback a standard 3:2 pulldown (it's just 60i with a funky repetition of frames..). 2) What am I losing by not using the advanced pulldown? My end product will be a DVD. 3) Should I export my final movie as a 24p timeline from PP1.5 to Encore? Or should I stick with the native DV 29.97? What would look better given the standard 3:2 pulldown? -a __________________ www.armanbohn.com

January 23rd, 2005, 11:16 PM	#212
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	No. There isn't any way to protect them. Not unless you pay the big bucks to have them glass mastered, and even then it is easy enough to copy the VOB files.

January 23rd, 2005, 11:18 PM	#213
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	There is a free "Face Blur" tutorial on http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial

January 24th, 2005, 12:10 PM	#217
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Josh, in Windows Media Encoder, there are settings to deinterlace while compressing. Just feed it your finished interlaced AVI file. That seems to do the trick for me.

January 24th, 2005, 04:24 PM	#219
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	You are losing some quality with the standard 2:3 pulldown. 2:3:3:2 Advanced pulldown ensures that you can recover the original frames as whole frames. The single split frame is discarded. 2:3 Standard pulldown will have frames that are not fully recoverable as full frames. Some of your original frames will be split and compressed jointly, resulting in a quality loss. Some people have reported that those split frames have a noticable brightness difference from the other frames. If you are a stickler for quality, insist on Advanced pulldown only. Further, some people edit the footage without removing the pulldown. While this is generally acceptable, split frames may slip through at times, which can foil the deinterlacing in some progressive displays (like plasma screens), and this may be noticable. Best bet is to remove the pulldown and edit in a 24fps timeline. Output that directly to DVD and let the DVD player recreate pulldown upon playback.

January 24th, 2005, 07:29 PM	#220
Chris Metts Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Olando, FL Posts: 27	Thanks Pete! The Multi-Band and Dynamic effects work really well, I don't have anymore audio cracking! I belive it's the best way to go to fix this problem. I've never been the best at audio so im still trying to figure it all out. I geuss practice makes perfect, thanks for all the info its really helped me alot! Chris __________________ Drama is choice, decision, action is character.

January 24th, 2005, 08:32 PM	#221
Rich Wong New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 8	It was something I saved off an ATI TV capture card. After tinkering more with Premiere, I'm getting the feeling that it does not have the ability to edit MPEG files correctly...

January 24th, 2005, 10:53 PM	#222
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	Exporting - I just cant seem to get it Hey all, I have the HDR-FX1 Sony cam and I'm using Premiere Pro 1.5 w/ the cineform plug-in. I'm able to import the HDV footage and it looks SUPERB in the source/composer windows. I cut it, threw in some transitions and I'm now onto export my clip. OK, now, I have two problems I'm facing here. 1) When I use the media encoder, I get the error message saying "Audio upmixing is not allowed. Cancelling the operation". I checked the Adobe forums for this and what I found out in the searches was that I'm trying to pump either mono into a stereo sound or, I'm trying to pump stereo sound into 5.1 sound. I'm not trying to do any of that. All I want to do is export the darn thing!! Anyone have any ideas on this? 2) When I uncheck the "audio" checkbox so I don't get that error anymore, everyone of my movies is very choppy. Doesn't matter the res, it can as small as your left mouse button and it will still be choppy. I just can't seem to export it correctly. It looks great in Premiere. Any ideas on this one?

January 25th, 2005, 04:02 AM	#223
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	1. to what format are you exporting? (I assume Windows Media / WMV) 2. what codec / template have are you using? 3. any settings you are changing? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2005, 04:05 AM	#224
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That may very well be. But if you got it of a TV card it should be 60i (59.94 fields per second = interlaced) and not 59.95 fps (frames per second). Why do you think it is 59.94 fps? You can try the free www.virtualdub.org program to load the mpeg and then export it as uncompressed AVI. In the end I'm pretty sure you are having a field/framerate problem. Which version of Premiere? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM	#225
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	good NEWS~!! Hey guys, good news it works. I tired out the demo and it works nicely.