Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Saturnin Kondratiew · November 30th, 2005, 11:51 AM

I was watching the sports network yesterday and they had some dirt bike stuff on, interviews, clips etc(the standard fare). Also all the editing between these shows, dirtbikes, bmx, skate etc uses this orange frame to i guess simulate 8mm look or somthing, it just comes in here and there etc. Now, i guess i can probably duplicate that look by just changing the color of strobe or somthing but the effect is different i think because it only turns orange on the corners of the frame, kinda like burnt frame, i'm thinking.
If anyone has done it, post up. I'm going to play in premere and AE to see if i can get it today.
thanx

Lloyd Coleman · November 30th, 2005, 12:41 PM

I would also like to know if there is a way to ripple delete all of the dead space on the timeline. Not just between two clips, but to pull every clip on the timeline together without having to ripple delete each one.

Thanks

James Sidney · November 30th, 2005, 03:40 PM

I'm editing some footage in Priemere that I want to add some effects to in AE, and then re-import back. I'm capturing via firewire from XL1s. How can I minimize the amount of compression? I usually export out of AE in uncompressed lossless mode. Is there a setting in Premiere I should be using?

I'm on Premiere 6.5 at the moment, but Pro arrives later in the week.

Thanks,

James

Pete Bauer · November 30th, 2005, 03:55 PM

With the current versions of PPro and AE, you can import a PPro sequence into AE as a composition, so you don't even have to render out of PPro. As you do, thoug, when I render files to intermediates out of AE, I do always use uncompressed.

James Sidney · November 30th, 2005, 04:11 PM

Great! The RTX 100 bundle arrives this week!

Thanks for the quick response.

James

James Llewellyn · November 30th, 2005, 07:02 PM

I'm kinda wondering the same thing. You can see the same effect at the end of the Jarhead trailer.

Saturnin Kondratiew · November 30th, 2005, 07:09 PM

http://www.apple.com/trailers/univer...ad/medium.html

its kinda like that it think...
so far what this has is just few frames of orange, darker and lighter and it shows it in two spurs, one after another(thats easy to accomplish). I think the stuff that i remember seeing is a little different, its like there is more colour on the corners of the frame and not so much in the midlle. hmmm

Cody Dulock · December 1st, 2005, 08:10 AM

you have to make it in photoshop and after effects. basically you make your base image in photoshop... then you take into after effects and set your layer mode to screen or something (you will have to go through them to figure out wich one looks best). then make it flicker and what not. i found a tutorial on it once. i think it was called film burn, but i cannot remember.

Saturnin Kondratiew · December 1st, 2005, 10:14 AM

wicked ..thanx cody!! i'll look into it

Jesse Rosten · December 1st, 2005, 10:36 AM

I've done this effect by filming some projected 8mm footage at the end of the roll. Just take that footage and overlay it with your choice of transfer modes. Voila!

Andrew Cleary · December 2nd, 2005, 12:52 PM

I work for a production house whose primary business is wedding videos. Is it absolutely imperative that i use a progressive timeline if we are shooting with a Sony VX2000 and 2100 cameras (which shoot progressive video)? We've been using canopus dv storm 2 cards, which only operate under an interlaced preset, and have been getting horrible results with both our slow motion and overall picture quality. We're encoding with Canopus' procoder 2, using the mpeg 2 setting, CBR at the highest possible bit rate. the result is blurry video and the slow motion is choppy, almost like the video skips frames. I understand how slow motion works, but when we use 6.5, the picture quality is far better than anything we've ever seen with pro 1.5.

we tried a matrox rtx100, but the results were no better than what we got with canopus.

is how canopus works with 1.5 the problem? has anyone else been experiencing these problems?

thanks in advance for any information!

Andrew

Peter Jefferson · December 3rd, 2005, 08:56 AM

Ive written between ur stuff...

I work for a production house whose primary business is wedding videos. Is it absolutely imperative that i use a progressive timeline if we are shooting with a Sony VX2000 and 2100 cameras (which shoot progressive video)?

((They DO NOT shoot in progressive modes.. only the XL2 and DVX100 shoot full framae native progressive. u can always convert to progressive in post, but youll be softening the image rather fierce... ))

We've been using canopus dv storm 2 cards, which only operate under an interlaced preset, and have been getting horrible results with both our slow motion and overall picture quality.

((Thats the Storm card for you.. actually the storm is a kick ass sytem, if configured correctly.. ))

We're encoding with Canopus' procoder 2, using the mpeg 2 setting, CBR at the highest possible bit rate.
((Errr.. if going constant, do NOT go over 7500kbps.. if going Variable, always select mastering quality, or 2 pass... but drop the highest bitrate down to about 8000))

the result is blurry video and the slow motion is choppy, almost like the video skips frames.

((No, its coz uve slowed the footage down too much and Storm may have issues with interpolating or blending newly created fields... ))

I understand how slow motion works, but when we use 6.5, the picture quality is far better than anything we've ever seen with pro 1.5.

((Thats coz the Storm really shouldnt be used with PP.... Canopus ditched PP in favour of edius, so working drivers for different PC configs are scarce.. stick with 6.5 and win2000 if ur using a Storm2... ur not really losing anything by doing this... ))

we tried a matrox rtx100, but the results were no better than what we got with canopus.

((seems more like your trying to get the units to do things their not designed to do..

need more info, like system specs

Josh Woll · December 4th, 2005, 10:08 AM

Yes, that was the reason for my post. Seeing if anyone agreed with me.

Jake Shaw · December 4th, 2005, 01:57 PM

Hi all, I was adding a white transisition between 2 video tracks and having the white transition go the length of the 2nd video but for some reason it goes faster than the length of the 2nd video. I don't know how to sync them together even though I made the white transition the same length as the video I'm trying to wipe. The transition goes much faster. It works fine in Premiere Elements for some reason. Any way to fix this so it works in Premiere Pro?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Christian Loennechen · December 4th, 2005, 02:28 PM

I run previews of my editing on a monitor, through my camera, and until I upraded to premiere 1.5 I never had any problems with synchronization. Now however, the video on the monitor lags behind by about a second, compared to the image and sound on the computer, as well as the time indicator on the timeline.

I know that Avid has an option to delay desktop play by a set amount of milliseconds, but I haven't found anything like this in premiere. Any suggestions? It's really annoying working like this, especially since I tend to run sound seperately from the computer.

November 30th, 2005, 11:51 AM	#1966
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	sports videos use this "orange" effect. how do i do it? :D I was watching the sports network yesterday and they had some dirt bike stuff on, interviews, clips etc(the standard fare). Also all the editing between these shows, dirtbikes, bmx, skate etc uses this orange frame to i guess simulate 8mm look or somthing, it just comes in here and there etc. Now, i guess i can probably duplicate that look by just changing the color of strobe or somthing but the effect is different i think because it only turns orange on the corners of the frame, kinda like burnt frame, i'm thinking. If anyone has done it, post up. I'm going to play in premere and AE to see if i can get it today. thanx __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

November 30th, 2005, 03:40 PM	#1968
James Sidney Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 44	Premiere / AE Workflow I'm editing some footage in Priemere that I want to add some effects to in AE, and then re-import back. I'm capturing via firewire from XL1s. How can I minimize the amount of compression? I usually export out of AE in uncompressed lossless mode. Is there a setting in Premiere I should be using? I'm on Premiere 6.5 at the moment, but Pro arrives later in the week. Thanks, James

November 30th, 2005, 03:55 PM	#1969
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	With the current versions of PPro and AE, you can import a PPro sequence into AE as a composition, so you don't even have to render out of PPro. As you do, thoug, when I render files to intermediates out of AE, I do always use uncompressed. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

November 30th, 2005, 07:09 PM	#1972
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	http://www.apple.com/trailers/univer...ad/medium.html its kinda like that it think... so far what this has is just few frames of orange, darker and lighter and it shows it in two spurs, one after another(thats easy to accomplish). I think the stuff that i remember seeing is a little different, its like there is more colour on the corners of the frame and not so much in the midlle. hmmm __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

December 1st, 2005, 10:14 AM	#1974
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	wicked ..thanx cody!! i'll look into it __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

November 30th, 2005, 12:41 PM	#1967
Lloyd Coleman Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 256	I would also like to know if there is a way to ripple delete all of the dead space on the timeline. Not just between two clips, but to pull every clip on the timeline together without having to ripple delete each one. Thanks

November 30th, 2005, 04:11 PM	#1970
James Sidney Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 44	Great! The RTX 100 bundle arrives this week! Thanks for the quick response. James

November 30th, 2005, 07:02 PM	#1971
James Llewellyn Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 80	I'm kinda wondering the same thing. You can see the same effect at the end of the Jarhead trailer.

December 1st, 2005, 08:10 AM	#1973
Cody Dulock Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: arlington, texas Posts: 420	you have to make it in photoshop and after effects. basically you make your base image in photoshop... then you take into after effects and set your layer mode to screen or something (you will have to go through them to figure out wich one looks best). then make it flicker and what not. i found a tutorial on it once. i think it was called film burn, but i cannot remember.

December 1st, 2005, 10:36 AM	#1975
Jesse Rosten Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Redding, California Posts: 114	I've done this effect by filming some projected 8mm footage at the end of the roll. Just take that footage and overlay it with your choice of transfer modes. Voila!

December 2nd, 2005, 12:52 PM	#1976
Andrew Cleary Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 31	progressive cameras, progressive timeline? I work for a production house whose primary business is wedding videos. Is it absolutely imperative that i use a progressive timeline if we are shooting with a Sony VX2000 and 2100 cameras (which shoot progressive video)? We've been using canopus dv storm 2 cards, which only operate under an interlaced preset, and have been getting horrible results with both our slow motion and overall picture quality. We're encoding with Canopus' procoder 2, using the mpeg 2 setting, CBR at the highest possible bit rate. the result is blurry video and the slow motion is choppy, almost like the video skips frames. I understand how slow motion works, but when we use 6.5, the picture quality is far better than anything we've ever seen with pro 1.5. we tried a matrox rtx100, but the results were no better than what we got with canopus. is how canopus works with 1.5 the problem? has anyone else been experiencing these problems? thanks in advance for any information! Andrew __________________ www.norkafilms.com www.andrewcleary.com

December 3rd, 2005, 08:56 AM	#1977
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Ive written between ur stuff... I work for a production house whose primary business is wedding videos. Is it absolutely imperative that i use a progressive timeline if we are shooting with a Sony VX2000 and 2100 cameras (which shoot progressive video)? ((They DO NOT shoot in progressive modes.. only the XL2 and DVX100 shoot full framae native progressive. u can always convert to progressive in post, but youll be softening the image rather fierce... )) We've been using canopus dv storm 2 cards, which only operate under an interlaced preset, and have been getting horrible results with both our slow motion and overall picture quality. ((Thats the Storm card for you.. actually the storm is a kick ass sytem, if configured correctly.. )) We're encoding with Canopus' procoder 2, using the mpeg 2 setting, CBR at the highest possible bit rate. ((Errr.. if going constant, do NOT go over 7500kbps.. if going Variable, always select mastering quality, or 2 pass... but drop the highest bitrate down to about 8000)) the result is blurry video and the slow motion is choppy, almost like the video skips frames. ((No, its coz uve slowed the footage down too much and Storm may have issues with interpolating or blending newly created fields... )) I understand how slow motion works, but when we use 6.5, the picture quality is far better than anything we've ever seen with pro 1.5. ((Thats coz the Storm really shouldnt be used with PP.... Canopus ditched PP in favour of edius, so working drivers for different PC configs are scarce.. stick with 6.5 and win2000 if ur using a Storm2... ur not really losing anything by doing this... )) we tried a matrox rtx100, but the results were no better than what we got with canopus. ((seems more like your trying to get the units to do things their not designed to do.. need more info, like system specs

December 4th, 2005, 10:08 AM	#1978
Josh Woll Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 72	Yes, that was the reason for my post. Seeing if anyone agreed with me.

December 4th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#1979
Jake Shaw Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1	Help with transition Hi all, I was adding a white transisition between 2 video tracks and having the white transition go the length of the 2nd video but for some reason it goes faster than the length of the 2nd video. I don't know how to sync them together even though I made the white transition the same length as the video I'm trying to wipe. The transition goes much faster. It works fine in Premiere Elements for some reason. Any way to fix this so it works in Premiere Pro? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

December 4th, 2005, 02:28 PM	#1980
Christian Loennechen New Boot Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 10	Premiere 1.5 won't sync monitor desktop. Help! I run previews of my editing on a monitor, through my camera, and until I upraded to premiere 1.5 I never had any problems with synchronization. Now however, the video on the monitor lags behind by about a second, compared to the image and sound on the computer, as well as the time indicator on the timeline. I know that Avid has an option to delay desktop play by a set amount of milliseconds, but I haven't found anything like this in premiere. Any suggestions? It's really annoying working like this, especially since I tend to run sound seperately from the computer.