Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Barry Gribble · January 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM

All,

I am doing video for an employee awards show this weekend... I shot interviews with about 50 employees and cut maybe 75 soundbites in to 6 clips for the show.

All is fine, except the customer now wants their names and years of service on the clips. I did up an example of the first one, and they loved it, but it was time consuming. For each person I had three extra video layers: one for a solid bar to put behind the names, one for the name title, and one for the years of service title (they repeat - 5, 10, 15, etc.). I used the opacity handles on each to manually fade each of the three in and out.

My question is: how can I fade these items in and out for each person with out manually doing the opacity changes?

My second question is: how can I create the 50 titles without manually changing the font and size for each one? ... also very slow in the PPro title system

Thanks a bunch in advance.

Ed Frazier · January 20th, 2005, 06:55 AM

Barry - I'm not sure I completely understand your process. Can all three graphic layers be combined one one, or do you need to manipulate each one individually?

If they can all be on one layer, you can create the first one and get the size and position of all elements the way you like it, save it, change the employee name and "Save As" with another file name. Repeat until all are done.

Drop a crossfade transition on the each end of each graphic on the timeline to eliminate the need to adjust opacity. If you leave a gap between each graphic, you can use the crossfade transition to completely fade out the clip. After the transition is placed on each adjacent clip, they can then be butted up together if that is the desired effect.

I'm not sure this addresses your particular problem but hope it helps.

Josh Allen · January 20th, 2005, 06:15 PM

Please forgive the length of this post...

Okay...I think I may have created a big problem for myself and I am hoping someone can help :).

I shoot with an XL2, edit with premiere pro on a pc, export as avi, and create my dvd using encore.

I have never messed with interlacing/de-interlacing before this project, which is a 20 minute motocross video. However, this time I decided to de-interlace my footage for better web-viewing but now I need to take the footage to dvd for TV viewing and am having trouble. I de-interlaced using the "field options" command for each clip on the timeline. That may be part of my problem.

1. The de-interlaced footage looks bad on TV, with lots of fragments and poor overall picture quality throughout. No surprise I suppose.

2. I went back into the field options for each clip on the timeline and unchecked the "de-interlace always" option and rexported to avi and re-built the dvd in encore. Unfortunately the footage still has the fragments and poor quality.

I am hoping someone can suggest a solution. Perhaps it is possible to re-capture my footage without rebuilding the entire 20 minute timeline?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Pete Bauer · January 20th, 2005, 08:55 PM

Josh,

It'll help us to help you figure out the mystery if you can provide us with a little more info on settings for each stage of the process, such as:

1. Camera: 24p, 30p, or 60i? If 24p, did you use 3:2 or 2:3:3:2? Aspect ratio wide or narrow? Shutter speed?
2. Capture: Timeline preset (wide/narrow, 30fps or 24fps)? Device preset? Any pull-down method?
3. Timeline settings and filters, such as frame blending on or off?
4. Export: AVI codec, compression, resolution, aspect ratio, de-interlace setting?
4: Encore: Transcoding presets / custom settings, especially any de-interlace settings?

I'm also not real sure what you mean by fragments. Any possibility you can post some frame grabs or very short clips as examples?

In general, PPro shouldn't be doing anything to the source files that you captured. So unless something really funky is going on, you shouldn't have to re-capture. Can you create a new sequence, drop a source clip into it, and get good results from a short export? If so, it confirms that it is simply a "wrong" setting within the work flow...the trick will be looking at the settings in each stage as above and seeing where the culprit is.

Pete Bauer · January 20th, 2005, 10:02 PM

Barry,

If I understand...you're just trying to achieve a fade in / fade out for text that has its own contrast background?

I don't think there's any shortcut to typing out the names, etc. But you can definitely automate the fade in / fade out process. Ed's way works great. The title applet allows you to put customizable geometric shapes behind the text, so unless you do need each portion of the title (eg name, years of service) to behave differently, Ed is definitely correct that there's no need for more than one video track (in other words, one file for each person's info).

A way to automate the fades etc for large numbers of similar title clips on a video track is to select the first clip, then set your opacity handles at the beginning and end of that clip for your fade in and fade out...as well as any other attributes or effects.

Edit>>Copy that first clip, then select all the subsequent title clips in the video track, and finally Edit>>Paste Attributes. They'll all have the same opacity handles, etc.

You can select multiple clips on a video track by using the Track Select Tool (it is just below the selection tool in the Toolbar and looks like a right-facing arrow with a dotted rectangle around it) and clicking on the next clip OR using the Select Tool (the top-most arrow-shaped tool in the Toolbar) and simply dragging along the video track to include all the clips you want to apply the attributes to, OR Shift-clicking to multiple-select.

Once all the title clips have the attributes you want, any of them can be moved or tweaked any way that suits you.

Adam Brennan · January 20th, 2005, 10:53 PM

I need to know how to pan, zoom in..zoom out in premiere 1.5. I know how to do it in 6.5 but can't seem to get it in 1.5

thanks for the help

Josh Allen · January 21st, 2005, 12:46 AM

Thanks Pete! Here is more info:

1. Camera: 60i

2. Capture: just Premiere defaults, did not adjust pull-down, etc.

3. Frame blend: on

4. AVI codec: Microsoft Windows Media 9; 720x480; 29.97 fps; no compression; aspect ratio 0.9

5. Transcode presets...boy, perhaps I found the problem...it is preset to 16x9 high quality 4 mb VBR 2 pass...but of course my vid is 4x3. It would seem to me that type of error would cause more disastrous results, but I will fix that and try again.

Thanks Pete...I will post an update asap.

John Britt · January 21st, 2005, 06:55 AM

There is a new "fixed effects" section under the effects control tab (in my setup of 1.5, it's in a window next to the monitor, when in single-monitor mode). here you'll find Motion and Scale controls. It's a little more After Effects-y of a control than that pop-up window in 6.5.

I just upgraded from 6.5 to Pro 1.5, and I definitely like the new Motion and Scale controls.

Jimmy McKenzie · January 21st, 2005, 07:20 AM

Definately drops you into an abyss of keyframes if you're not ready for that kind of control.

Also, at the end of the duration of the clip or still photo, the preview image dissappears when you are working to position the final keyframe. This is an Adobe bug that fell through the cracks.

Adam Brennan · January 21st, 2005, 07:22 AM

I am still lost here. I am using the trial 1.5 version...do you think it's missing?

Jimmy McKenzie · January 21st, 2005, 07:28 AM

Look at the top of your monitor window for a tab called "effect controls".

Or, click on window and look for effect controls there.

Adam Brennan · January 21st, 2005, 07:29 AM

gotcha! Okay...I kind of have to de progam myself from 6.5

Josh Allen · January 21st, 2005, 10:01 AM

Well, as it turns out it is not the transcode settings...although they were certainly wrong.

The avi coming out of premiere has the fragments before I even go to DVD. I will edit down a short clip and get it posted tonight.

Andrew Paul · January 21st, 2005, 01:40 PM

Since updating to XP service pack 2, I seem to be having problems transponding footage when I want to write to a DVD. I read somewhere that there was a problem with an earlier windows version and microsoft tried to sort the problem whilst adobe where trying to sort the problem (without taling to each other), they both then updated their progam to create even more problems. Is this true ?.

I can render the file as an avi file and then use sonic DVD to write the DVD, but I`m not happy with that as a permanent solution. Encore won`t transpond either.

I`ve tried reinstalling Premiere, but it didn`t help. Only option left, unless a update is available is to reinstall windows. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!

Many Thanks for any help

Andy

John Britt · January 21st, 2005, 01:47 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jimmy McKenzie :
Also, at the end of the duration of the clip or still photo, the preview image dissappears when you are working to position the final keyframe. This is an Adobe bug that fell through the cracks. -->>>

Is that really a bug? So far, I've only had a chance to do a couple quick spots with Pro 1.5, and I thought that was some sort of problem as well. But on closer inspection, when you zoom in to single frames on the timeline, I noticed that the cursor (or sweeper, scroller, indicator, or whatever) has a bar at the top that extends one frame in front of the indicator -- which, I assume, is meant to show you "this is the frame you are editing." If you were to scroll to the very end of your video, the indicator would be on the end tip of that last frame, but the bar extending out would not -- meaning, "there's no video here to edit."

Think of it like this:say you place video in the timeline that starts at the frame 15 designation and ends at the frame 20 designation. Then you drop in another shot next to it, that will start at the frame 20 designation and end at frame 25. The two shots are not really overlapping -- they don't both co-exist at frame 20. And if you drag the timeline cursor out and stop it at the frame 20 designation, you'll see that the overhanging bar at top covers the area in shot 2, which is where you're really at...

I can't explain this very well... I'm working on only 3 hours of sleep... Or maybe I'm wrong... Either way, I apologize if the above makes no sense. Now get me a bed...

January 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM	#181
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Fading Titles in PPro All, I am doing video for an employee awards show this weekend... I shot interviews with about 50 employees and cut maybe 75 soundbites in to 6 clips for the show. All is fine, except the customer now wants their names and years of service on the clips. I did up an example of the first one, and they loved it, but it was time consuming. For each person I had three extra video layers: one for a solid bar to put behind the names, one for the name title, and one for the years of service title (they repeat - 5, 10, 15, etc.). I used the opacity handles on each to manually fade each of the three in and out. My question is: how can I fade these items in and out for each person with out manually doing the opacity changes? My second question is: how can I create the 50 titles without manually changing the font and size for each one? ... also very slow in the PPro title system Thanks a bunch in advance. __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

January 20th, 2005, 06:55 AM	#182
Ed Frazier Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 343	Barry - I'm not sure I completely understand your process. Can all three graphic layers be combined one one, or do you need to manipulate each one individually? If they can all be on one layer, you can create the first one and get the size and position of all elements the way you like it, save it, change the employee name and "Save As" with another file name. Repeat until all are done. Drop a crossfade transition on the each end of each graphic on the timeline to eliminate the need to adjust opacity. If you leave a gap between each graphic, you can use the crossfade transition to completely fade out the clip. After the transition is placed on each adjacent clip, they can then be butted up together if that is the desired effect. I'm not sure this addresses your particular problem but hope it helps. __________________ Ed Frazier

January 20th, 2005, 06:15 PM	#183
Josh Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wildomar, CA Posts: 89	Deinterlace...reinterlace Please forgive the length of this post... Okay...I think I may have created a big problem for myself and I am hoping someone can help :). I shoot with an XL2, edit with premiere pro on a pc, export as avi, and create my dvd using encore. I have never messed with interlacing/de-interlacing before this project, which is a 20 minute motocross video. However, this time I decided to de-interlace my footage for better web-viewing but now I need to take the footage to dvd for TV viewing and am having trouble. I de-interlaced using the "field options" command for each clip on the timeline. That may be part of my problem. 1. The de-interlaced footage looks bad on TV, with lots of fragments and poor overall picture quality throughout. No surprise I suppose. 2. I went back into the field options for each clip on the timeline and unchecked the "de-interlace always" option and rexported to avi and re-built the dvd in encore. Unfortunately the footage still has the fragments and poor quality. I am hoping someone can suggest a solution. Perhaps it is possible to re-capture my footage without rebuilding the entire 20 minute timeline? Thanks in advance for any advice.

January 20th, 2005, 08:55 PM	#184
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Josh, It'll help us to help you figure out the mystery if you can provide us with a little more info on settings for each stage of the process, such as: 1. Camera: 24p, 30p, or 60i? If 24p, did you use 3:2 or 2:3:3:2? Aspect ratio wide or narrow? Shutter speed? 2. Capture: Timeline preset (wide/narrow, 30fps or 24fps)? Device preset? Any pull-down method? 3. Timeline settings and filters, such as frame blending on or off? 4. Export: AVI codec, compression, resolution, aspect ratio, de-interlace setting? 4: Encore: Transcoding presets / custom settings, especially any de-interlace settings? I'm also not real sure what you mean by fragments. Any possibility you can post some frame grabs or very short clips as examples? In general, PPro shouldn't be doing anything to the source files that you captured. So unless something really funky is going on, you shouldn't have to re-capture. Can you create a new sequence, drop a source clip into it, and get good results from a short export? If so, it confirms that it is simply a "wrong" setting within the work flow...the trick will be looking at the settings in each stage as above and seeing where the culprit is. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 20th, 2005, 10:02 PM	#185
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Barry, If I understand...you're just trying to achieve a fade in / fade out for text that has its own contrast background? I don't think there's any shortcut to typing out the names, etc. But you can definitely automate the fade in / fade out process. Ed's way works great. The title applet allows you to put customizable geometric shapes behind the text, so unless you do need each portion of the title (eg name, years of service) to behave differently, Ed is definitely correct that there's no need for more than one video track (in other words, one file for each person's info). A way to automate the fades etc for large numbers of similar title clips on a video track is to select the first clip, then set your opacity handles at the beginning and end of that clip for your fade in and fade out...as well as any other attributes or effects. Edit>>Copy that first clip, then select all the subsequent title clips in the video track, and finally Edit>>Paste Attributes. They'll all have the same opacity handles, etc. You can select multiple clips on a video track by using the Track Select Tool (it is just below the selection tool in the Toolbar and looks like a right-facing arrow with a dotted rectangle around it) and clicking on the next clip OR using the Select Tool (the top-most arrow-shaped tool in the Toolbar) and simply dragging along the video track to include all the clips you want to apply the attributes to, OR Shift-clicking to multiple-select. Once all the title clips have the attributes you want, any of them can be moved or tweaked any way that suits you. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 20th, 2005, 10:53 PM	#186
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	how do you pan video or still pictures in premiere 1.5...I can't figure I need to know how to pan, zoom in..zoom out in premiere 1.5. I know how to do it in 6.5 but can't seem to get it in 1.5 thanks for the help

January 21st, 2005, 12:46 AM	#187
Josh Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wildomar, CA Posts: 89	Thanks Pete! Here is more info: 1. Camera: 60i 2. Capture: just Premiere defaults, did not adjust pull-down, etc. 3. Frame blend: on 4. AVI codec: Microsoft Windows Media 9; 720x480; 29.97 fps; no compression; aspect ratio 0.9 5. Transcode presets...boy, perhaps I found the problem...it is preset to 16x9 high quality 4 mb VBR 2 pass...but of course my vid is 4x3. It would seem to me that type of error would cause more disastrous results, but I will fix that and try again. Thanks Pete...I will post an update asap.

January 21st, 2005, 06:55 AM	#188
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	There is a new "fixed effects" section under the effects control tab (in my setup of 1.5, it's in a window next to the monitor, when in single-monitor mode). here you'll find Motion and Scale controls. It's a little more After Effects-y of a control than that pop-up window in 6.5. I just upgraded from 6.5 to Pro 1.5, and I definitely like the new Motion and Scale controls.

January 21st, 2005, 07:20 AM	#189
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Definately drops you into an abyss of keyframes if you're not ready for that kind of control. Also, at the end of the duration of the clip or still photo, the preview image dissappears when you are working to position the final keyframe. This is an Adobe bug that fell through the cracks.

January 21st, 2005, 07:22 AM	#190
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	I am still lost here. I am using the trial 1.5 version...do you think it's missing?

January 21st, 2005, 07:28 AM	#191
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Look at the top of your monitor window for a tab called "effect controls". Or, click on window and look for effect controls there.

January 21st, 2005, 07:29 AM	#192
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	gotcha! Okay...I kind of have to de progam myself from 6.5

January 21st, 2005, 10:01 AM	#193
Josh Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wildomar, CA Posts: 89	Well, as it turns out it is not the transcode settings...although they were certainly wrong. The avi coming out of premiere has the fragments before I even go to DVD. I will edit down a short clip and get it posted tonight.

January 21st, 2005, 01:40 PM	#194
Andrew Paul Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 130	Premiere Pro and XP Since updating to XP service pack 2, I seem to be having problems transponding footage when I want to write to a DVD. I read somewhere that there was a problem with an earlier windows version and microsoft tried to sort the problem whilst adobe where trying to sort the problem (without taling to each other), they both then updated their progam to create even more problems. Is this true ?. I can render the file as an avi file and then use sonic DVD to write the DVD, but I`m not happy with that as a permanent solution. Encore won`t transpond either. I`ve tried reinstalling Premiere, but it didn`t help. Only option left, unless a update is available is to reinstall windows. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! Many Thanks for any help Andy

January 21st, 2005, 01:47 PM	#195
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	<<<-- Originally posted by Jimmy McKenzie : Also, at the end of the duration of the clip or still photo, the preview image dissappears when you are working to position the final keyframe. This is an Adobe bug that fell through the cracks. -->>> Is that really a bug? So far, I've only had a chance to do a couple quick spots with Pro 1.5, and I thought that was some sort of problem as well. But on closer inspection, when you zoom in to single frames on the timeline, I noticed that the cursor (or sweeper, scroller, indicator, or whatever) has a bar at the top that extends one frame in front of the indicator -- which, I assume, is meant to show you "this is the frame you are editing." If you were to scroll to the very end of your video, the indicator would be on the end tip of that last frame, but the bar extending out would not -- meaning, "there's no video here to edit." Think of it like this:say you place video in the timeline that starts at the frame 15 designation and ends at the frame 20 designation. Then you drop in another shot next to it, that will start at the frame 20 designation and end at frame 25. The two shots are not really overlapping -- they don't both co-exist at frame 20. And if you drag the timeline cursor out and stop it at the frame 20 designation, you'll see that the overhanging bar at top covers the area in shot 2, which is where you're really at... I can't explain this very well... I'm working on only 3 hours of sleep... Or maybe I'm wrong... Either way, I apologize if the above makes no sense. Now get me a bed...