Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Jimmy McKenzie · October 26th, 2005, 09:02 PM

If you have director, export as an mov file that fits the disk and build a quick score.
If no director, then use the media encoder and export at a reasonable compression as a wmv file. Let media player play it.
If you have a video cd program this will easily fit at 4 minutes.
Since this is for broad distribution, why not a dvd?

Rik Sanchez · October 26th, 2005, 09:44 PM

Patrick,
try exporting it at 320 X 240 and maybe drop the audio settings to 32khz. That you give you a smaller file size. Let us know how it goes.

Patrick Smith · October 26th, 2005, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rik Sanchez

Patrick,
try exporting it at 320 X 240 and maybe drop the audio settings to 32khz. That you give you a smaller file size. Let us know how it goes.

i have been using the 32khz....
i've tryed quick time, windows media, microsoft avi, avi dv.. etc etc

its to quick of notice for dvd. he needs like 50 copies...

Rik Sanchez · October 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM

What export setting are you using now? What size are you exporting it at?

Dan Robinson · October 26th, 2005, 10:36 PM

I'm having a problem that I thought someone here might have encountered before.

I'm trying to export full-screen DV AVI video from the computer back to MiniDV tape via Firewire. I'm using Premiere Pro 1.5 on WinXP and exporting to a TRV900 MiniDV cam. At random intervals, anywhere from every few minutes to a few seconds, the video and audio freezes up momentarily during export, as if another program is running in the background and hogging CPU.

The strange thing about this is that I have been doing this for all of three years with no problems, and now all of a sudden I'm seeing this freezing issue.

Here are the puzzling details:

- The problem happens on BOTH of my computers, 2.4Ghz laptop and 1.2Ghz desktop.

- No new software has been installed on either machine.

- Premiere is only using 35% of the CPU during the export when the freezing happens.

- Premiere is set to 'play back video on DV hardware only', not on the desktop.

- I notice the problem happens more with video of lightning strikes (rapidly alternating bright/dark frames) and video with a lot of fast motion, but it happens with all video from time to time.

- The problem happens both when recording to a MiniDV tape or doing a 'pass through' to a VCR.

Thanks for any info anyone can provide!

Dmitry Yun · October 26th, 2005, 11:24 PM

If you are using Windows XP it comes with a free program called Movie Maker. Try using the codecs there to export your movie. it's a very good encoding although a bit of a quality loss but barrebale for your situation.

We MD people gotta stick together :)

Robert Double · October 27th, 2005, 03:24 AM

Hi.

I am using premiere pro to render out a movie. However there is a significant brightness difference between encoding with H264 and Sorenson? The H264 is always noticibly brighter than the Sorenson version. The Sorenson version looks correct!

Has anyone else experienced such strange behaviour?

Cheers

Robert

Pete Bauer · October 27th, 2005, 06:32 AM

Yup, I have. In addition to the great difficulty with QT bit rate settings that many others have noted, when I did test renders, QT files came out substantially brighter and with less color saturation than WMV or AVI -- and the aspect ratio settings also seemed squirrelly. Sorry, I can't remember if Sorenson did the same thing, but if so that would hint that it is a problem with the interaction of QT and Adobe Media Encoder.

I've never been interested in QT, but since so many folks on DVinfo do use it I gave the free version of QT7 a try. I wonder if we pony up the $30 for the Pro version if the rendering process will be better, either within Adobe Media Encoder or a stand-alone rendering engine (eg output uncompressed AVI out of PPro to use as a source for QT7 rendering)?

John Bennett · October 27th, 2005, 11:01 AM

Optical detection isn't available in version 1.0, and it's not listed among the new features of 1.5. Someone with version 1.5, correct me if I'm wrong.

Personally, I use Scenalyzer for capturing. It's hassle free and includes optical detection. Also, you can split scenes in Scenalyzer.

Dan Euritt · October 27th, 2005, 03:16 PM

i have not noticed any gamma issues with the nero h.264 encoder, but ymmv... at $60 vs. $30(?) for qt pro, your money would be much better spent with the nero package, if you really want to do h.264.

Spike Spiegel · October 27th, 2005, 06:50 PM

Is this required? I have around 60gb + worth of footage to bring in and its conforming every single clip, its ridiculously lagging my computer when premiere is on. Is this a necessary thing to do? How do i turn it off, if possible..

Spike Spiegel · October 27th, 2005, 07:30 PM

not to mention, its eating up over 28 gb of diskspace!!! please help

Pete Bauer · October 27th, 2005, 07:52 PM

You can't turn it off. Here's a little more info in an existing thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...nforming+audio

There is also a FAQ on the Adobe PPro support forum:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/w...jf.8@.2cd0d649

You have to register (free, real time) to access it, but I believe that in addition to a daily dose of DVinfo, everyone who has licensed software ought to be cruising the vendor's support pages every now and then for upgrades, tips, and troubleshooting.

The delay has never been much of a bother me. But there's been quite a few who do complain about the conforming delay, so hopefully Adobe will address it in the next release.

Lloyd Choi · October 27th, 2005, 09:12 PM

weird... for me it's the exact opposite. AVI comes out washed out, while quicktime comes out correctly (with the exception of H264, which comes out wsahed out as well)

Spike Spiegel · October 27th, 2005, 10:08 PM

that really bites that you can't turn it off.. its even worse for me because im wasting all this time "conforming" when my true audio is imported from a HIMD... Instead i'm sittin here with hours worth of conforming to do, as i have 20 hours worth of tape... Ridiculous...

October 26th, 2005, 09:02 PM	#1726
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	This calls for Director... If you have director, export as an mov file that fits the disk and build a quick score. If no director, then use the media encoder and export at a reasonable compression as a wmv file. Let media player play it. If you have a video cd program this will easily fit at 4 minutes. Since this is for broad distribution, why not a dvd?

October 26th, 2005, 09:44 PM	#1727
Rik Sanchez ChorizoSmells Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 424	Patrick, try exporting it at 320 X 240 and maybe drop the audio settings to 32khz. That you give you a smaller file size. Let us know how it goes. __________________ ChorizoSmells Video Barrio Tamatsukuri, Osaka, JAPAN

October 26th, 2005, 10:03 PM	#1729
Rik Sanchez ChorizoSmells Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 424	What export setting are you using now? What size are you exporting it at? __________________ ChorizoSmells Video Barrio Tamatsukuri, Osaka, JAPAN

October 26th, 2005, 10:36 PM	#1730
Dan Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Posts: 131	Periodic a/v freezing during export to tape I'm having a problem that I thought someone here might have encountered before. I'm trying to export full-screen DV AVI video from the computer back to MiniDV tape via Firewire. I'm using Premiere Pro 1.5 on WinXP and exporting to a TRV900 MiniDV cam. At random intervals, anywhere from every few minutes to a few seconds, the video and audio freezes up momentarily during export, as if another program is running in the background and hogging CPU. The strange thing about this is that I have been doing this for all of three years with no problems, and now all of a sudden I'm seeing this freezing issue. Here are the puzzling details: - The problem happens on BOTH of my computers, 2.4Ghz laptop and 1.2Ghz desktop. - No new software has been installed on either machine. - Premiere is only using 35% of the CPU during the export when the freezing happens. - Premiere is set to 'play back video on DV hardware only', not on the desktop. - I notice the problem happens more with video of lightning strikes (rapidly alternating bright/dark frames) and video with a lot of fast motion, but it happens with all video from time to time. - The problem happens both when recording to a MiniDV tape or doing a 'pass through' to a VCR. Thanks for any info anyone can provide!

October 26th, 2005, 11:24 PM	#1731
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	Movie Maker If you are using Windows XP it comes with a free program called Movie Maker. Try using the codecs there to export your movie. it's a very good encoding although a bit of a quality loss but barrebale for your situation. We MD people gotta stick together :)

October 27th, 2005, 03:24 AM	#1732
Robert Double Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 74	H264 Codec vs Sorenson - Brighter Footage? Hi. I am using premiere pro to render out a movie. However there is a significant brightness difference between encoding with H264 and Sorenson? The H264 is always noticibly brighter than the Sorenson version. The Sorenson version looks correct! Has anyone else experienced such strange behaviour? Cheers Robert

October 27th, 2005, 06:32 AM	#1733
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Yup, I have. In addition to the great difficulty with QT bit rate settings that many others have noted, when I did test renders, QT files came out substantially brighter and with less color saturation than WMV or AVI -- and the aspect ratio settings also seemed squirrelly. Sorry, I can't remember if Sorenson did the same thing, but if so that would hint that it is a problem with the interaction of QT and Adobe Media Encoder. I've never been interested in QT, but since so many folks on DVinfo do use it I gave the free version of QT7 a try. I wonder if we pony up the $30 for the Pro version if the rendering process will be better, either within Adobe Media Encoder or a stand-alone rendering engine (eg output uncompressed AVI out of PPro to use as a source for QT7 rendering)? __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 27th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#1734
John Bennett Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 25	Optical detection isn't available in version 1.0, and it's not listed among the new features of 1.5. Someone with version 1.5, correct me if I'm wrong. Personally, I use Scenalyzer for capturing. It's hassle free and includes optical detection. Also, you can split scenes in Scenalyzer.

October 27th, 2005, 03:16 PM	#1735
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	i have not noticed any gamma issues with the nero h.264 encoder, but ymmv... at $60 vs. $30(?) for qt pro, your money would be much better spent with the nero package, if you really want to do h.264.

October 27th, 2005, 06:50 PM	#1736
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	does premiere always need to conform? Is this required? I have around 60gb + worth of footage to bring in and its conforming every single clip, its ridiculously lagging my computer when premiere is on. Is this a necessary thing to do? How do i turn it off, if possible..

October 27th, 2005, 07:30 PM	#1737
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	not to mention, its eating up over 28 gb of diskspace!!! please help

October 27th, 2005, 07:52 PM	#1738
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	You can't turn it off. Here's a little more info in an existing thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...nforming+audio There is also a FAQ on the Adobe PPro support forum: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/w...jf.8@.2cd0d649 You have to register (free, real time) to access it, but I believe that in addition to a daily dose of DVinfo, everyone who has licensed software ought to be cruising the vendor's support pages every now and then for upgrades, tips, and troubleshooting. The delay has never been much of a bother me. But there's been quite a few who do complain about the conforming delay, so hopefully Adobe will address it in the next release. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 27th, 2005, 09:12 PM	#1739
Lloyd Choi Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 106	weird... for me it's the exact opposite. AVI comes out washed out, while quicktime comes out correctly (with the exception of H264, which comes out wsahed out as well)

October 27th, 2005, 10:08 PM	#1740
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	that really bites that you can't turn it off.. its even worse for me because im wasting all this time "conforming" when my true audio is imported from a HIMD... Instead i'm sittin here with hours worth of conforming to do, as i have 20 hours worth of tape... Ridiculous...