Serious Magic DVRack

Rhett Allen · January 28th, 2005, 01:21 PM

I would think that since the Panasonic HDC27F can do it "in-camera" someone could write something to do it as you captured the footage to avoid re-rendering everything. Of course that ability may help explain some of the price of this camera and a stand alone program may not be cost effective to produce since there aren't that many people shooting DV with Ultra Primes.

Good question though.

Marc Sacco · January 28th, 2005, 01:36 PM

yes Rhett, good point! i hadnt thought about the "in camera" route! it would be nice to have that as a feature on many of the Dv cameras (i use the canon xl1s myself) we are working with so we could be more creative with many other shots as well. (for example, shooting into a mirror for safety or effect you could dial in a horizontal or vertical flip and get a corrected image without rendering it in post. or a difficult camera position that would be easier to acheive if the camera were say mounted upside down would benefit from an in camera flip as well.) so it would be utilized by more people than just the adapter folks using 35mm lenses and could be a nice feature to have. (maybe canon can add that to their menu for me? <g>)

Marc
www.zenimage.com

Rob Lohman · January 30th, 2005, 06:31 AM

Why would the footage need rendering *BEFORE* editing when
flipped? When you add footage to the timeline just flip it then.
You usually need rendering anyway (titles, effects, color correction,
letterboxing etc.) and a flip should barely add to the render time
(if you do it all in one go!)

Marc Sacco · January 30th, 2005, 09:02 AM

Rob,
efficiency is the name of the game! when you are editing a short or feature or other long form project it is nice to be able to edit the rough cut without having to render anything. (thats how i work at least. i like to slap a rough cut together to see how its working and whats missing first and then begin to fine tune it until i need to add effects and color modifications and audio sweetening, etc.) yes, later when you add effects, color correction, etc it needs to be rendered and does take time and should be done in as few passes a possible. but i dont want to have to view upside down footage to determine which scenes i want to rough cut and i dont want to lay down all of my takes, add an image flip,export them to a new file, and re import them into my project just for a rough cut. it is very inefficient! if i am shooting with a 35mm adaptor and can flip a switch in camera to correct my image then i can import it into my NLE as correct footage and begin immediate editing. (or better yet, if my DV Rack flipped it before storing it then i could just begin editing in my NLE!)

thats all i want...oh and world peace too! <g>

marc

Rob Lohman · January 31st, 2005, 03:56 AM

Thanks for the explenation Marc! Makes sense, but I guess that's
the price your gonna have to pay for using such a "device". No
way around it, yet.....

Hugh DiMauro · January 31st, 2005, 07:30 AM

Has anybody actually used this product and is it worth the money?

http://www.seriousmagic.com/dvrack.cfm

Rob Lohman · January 31st, 2005, 07:45 AM

Hugh: please do a search on "DV Rack" (see button in upper right
corner or link in my signature), it has been discussed often here
and lots of people are using it.

Thanks!

Hugh DiMauro · January 31st, 2005, 07:46 AM

Rob! The search told me there were no matches! Any other key words I can use? I even tried "Serious Magic DV Rack".

DUHHH! Sorry, I typed the request in the wrong place. I found it!

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

This is Ron Burghundy, Good Night, San Diego!

Ray Sigmond · February 2nd, 2005, 02:33 PM

Just curious if anyone has used DV Rack and then dropped the files in Vegas? And if so, how do you like using DV Rack with a notebook as opposed to a field monitor?

http://www.seriousmagic.com/dvrack.cfm

Danny Fye · February 2nd, 2005, 02:53 PM

I noticed that Serious Magic has a new $200.00 rebate for DV Rack until the end of February.

I wonder if those who took advantage of the last rebate have received their rebates yet?

Danny Fye

Tony Hall · February 2nd, 2005, 04:03 PM

Yup, got mine after about two months. I was just starting to sweat about it when it came in the mail. I ended up getting the program for 200 bucks after the rebate :)

Ed Frazier · February 3rd, 2005, 05:40 AM

I received mine too. Took a little longer than expected, but it finally arrived.

Ed

Rob Lohman · February 3rd, 2005, 06:14 AM

Please do a search on DV Rack here to see how people like it with
laptops, that's been discussed often already.

Since DV Rack produces standard DV (AVI/Quicktime) files you can
use them in Vegas (5) just fine!

Hart Boyd · February 3rd, 2005, 06:30 PM

Still waiting on my mine as it was verified on 12/21/2004 and I received an email stating so I don't know why it is taking so long.

Tim Polster · February 4th, 2005, 08:55 AM

Hello,

I have downloaded the DV Rack trail version and will install soon.

I just wanted to ask for some opinions regarding the use of the laptop screen as a preview monitor.

How does everbody like this?

I just purchased a laptop with a brightview screen so I have high hopes.

If this feature is as stated, then I can eliminate carrying a monitor which would be nice.

Thanks

January 28th, 2005, 01:36 PM	#92
Marc Sacco Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: new fairfield, CT Posts: 65	yes Rhett, good point! i hadnt thought about the "in camera" route! it would be nice to have that as a feature on many of the Dv cameras (i use the canon xl1s myself) we are working with so we could be more creative with many other shots as well. (for example, shooting into a mirror for safety or effect you could dial in a horizontal or vertical flip and get a corrected image without rendering it in post. or a difficult camera position that would be easier to acheive if the camera were say mounted upside down would benefit from an in camera flip as well.) so it would be utilized by more people than just the adapter folks using 35mm lenses and could be a nice feature to have. (maybe canon can add that to their menu for me? <g>) Marc www.zenimage.com __________________ www.zenimage.com The brave may not live forever, but the cautious do not live at all....

January 30th, 2005, 06:31 AM	#93
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why would the footage need rendering BEFORE editing when flipped? When you add footage to the timeline just flip it then. You usually need rendering anyway (titles, effects, color correction, letterboxing etc.) and a flip should barely add to the render time (if you do it all in one go!) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 30th, 2005, 09:02 AM	#94
Marc Sacco Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: new fairfield, CT Posts: 65	Rob, efficiency is the name of the game! when you are editing a short or feature or other long form project it is nice to be able to edit the rough cut without having to render anything. (thats how i work at least. i like to slap a rough cut together to see how its working and whats missing first and then begin to fine tune it until i need to add effects and color modifications and audio sweetening, etc.) yes, later when you add effects, color correction, etc it needs to be rendered and does take time and should be done in as few passes a possible. but i dont want to have to view upside down footage to determine which scenes i want to rough cut and i dont want to lay down all of my takes, add an image flip,export them to a new file, and re import them into my project just for a rough cut. it is very inefficient! if i am shooting with a 35mm adaptor and can flip a switch in camera to correct my image then i can import it into my NLE as correct footage and begin immediate editing. (or better yet, if my DV Rack flipped it before storing it then i could just begin editing in my NLE!) thats all i want...oh and world peace too! <g> marc __________________ www.zenimage.com The brave may not live forever, but the cautious do not live at all....

January 31st, 2005, 03:56 AM	#95
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Thanks for the explenation Marc! Makes sense, but I guess that's the price your gonna have to pay for using such a "device". No way around it, yet..... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 31st, 2005, 07:30 AM	#96
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	DV Rack Has anybody actually used this product and is it worth the money? http://www.seriousmagic.com/dvrack.cfm __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

January 28th, 2005, 01:21 PM	#91
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	I would think that since the Panasonic HDC27F can do it "in-camera" someone could write something to do it as you captured the footage to avoid re-rendering everything. Of course that ability may help explain some of the price of this camera and a stand alone program may not be cost effective to produce since there aren't that many people shooting DV with Ultra Primes. Good question though.

January 31st, 2005, 07:45 AM	#97
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Hugh: please do a search on "DV Rack" (see button in upper right corner or link in my signature), it has been discussed often here and lots of people are using it. Thanks! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 31st, 2005, 07:46 AM	#98
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Rob! The search told me there were no matches! Any other key words I can use? I even tried "Serious Magic DV Rack". DUHHH! Sorry, I typed the request in the wrong place. I found it! DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH This is Ron Burghundy, Good Night, San Diego! __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

February 2nd, 2005, 02:33 PM	#99
Ray Sigmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 119	Vegas 5 and DV Rack ... Anyone tried it yet? Just curious if anyone has used DV Rack and then dropped the files in Vegas? And if so, how do you like using DV Rack with a notebook as opposed to a field monitor? http://www.seriousmagic.com/dvrack.cfm

February 2nd, 2005, 02:53 PM	#100
Danny Fye Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Independence MO. Posts: 318	DV Rack Rebate I noticed that Serious Magic has a new $200.00 rebate for DV Rack until the end of February. I wonder if those who took advantage of the last rebate have received their rebates yet? Danny Fye __________________ www.dannyfye.com

February 2nd, 2005, 04:03 PM	#101
Tony Hall Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: springfield, OH Posts: 344	Yup, got mine after about two months. I was just starting to sweat about it when it came in the mail. I ended up getting the program for 200 bucks after the rebate :) __________________ Tony "Good taste is the enemy of creativity" - Picasso Blog: http://www.tonyhall.name

February 3rd, 2005, 05:40 AM	#102
Ed Frazier Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 343	I received mine too. Took a little longer than expected, but it finally arrived. Ed __________________ Ed Frazier

February 3rd, 2005, 06:14 AM	#103
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Please do a search on DV Rack here to see how people like it with laptops, that's been discussed often already. Since DV Rack produces standard DV (AVI/Quicktime) files you can use them in Vegas (5) just fine! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 3rd, 2005, 06:30 PM	#104
Hart Boyd Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 148	Still waiting on my mine as it was verified on 12/21/2004 and I received an email stating so I don't know why it is taking so long.

February 4th, 2005, 08:55 AM	#105
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	DV Rack Preview Quality? Hello, I have downloaded the DV Rack trail version and will install soon. I just wanted to ask for some opinions regarding the use of the laptop screen as a preview monitor. How does everbody like this? I just purchased a laptop with a brightview screen so I have high hopes. If this feature is as stated, then I can eliminate carrying a monitor which would be nice. Thanks