Whats the best way to upscale SD video for HD timeline? at DVinfo.net

Tom Delaney · July 31st, 2009, 03:07 PM

So I have some SD POV cam footage I want to use in a HD timeline. Whats the best way using premiere or AE to upscale it to match the height of the HD frame? Just scale it up? Any better way?

Vasco Dones · July 31st, 2009, 06:20 PM

Tom,

you might want to check out Video Enhancer, by Dee Mon
(30 days free trial)

Best

Vasco

Ray Bell · July 31st, 2009, 09:07 PM

I can think of at least three ways...

Cineform
Red Giant instant HD
Topaz

Tom Delaney · August 1st, 2009, 08:41 AM

I have Cineform, whats the process there?

Ray Bell · August 1st, 2009, 08:54 AM

Open HD link... go to prefs, chose resize video to the size you want, close prefs, click Convert tab and select either the folder with the files or the select files for convert, click start

Tom Delaney · August 4th, 2009, 12:01 PM

So i tried Cineform and it scales the video well, except it eliminates the audio track. I've tried both AVI & MOV output formats and both have no audio, while the original source does. ANy idea why?

The source footage is a bit wierd, its from a client that was using a GoPro POV cam. The GoPro website says the codec used is "MJPEG, 30 fps, saved as .AVI file"

When I try to load the source into AE it crashes the program with no errors. Yet I can play the source in WMP, VLC, etc. When I convert using Cineform I can import into AE, but the audio is missing.

Tom Delaney · August 4th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Just tried Video Enhancer and the source footage crashes the program upon import as well.

Tom Delaney · August 4th, 2009, 12:28 PM

I'm at a loss here. I've tried opening these source files in about a half dozen programs ranging from editors, encoders, even a program to read the codec and they all crash soon as I select the file. I don't know if they are in MJPEG format or if the client has converted them. Only thing that'll open them is Cineform, but like I said I lose the audio once they are converted.

Vasco Dones · August 4th, 2009, 04:09 PM

Tom,
did you try to open & convert the file with TMPGenc?

Ray Bell · August 4th, 2009, 06:34 PM

tom, see if you can put the original footage through the HD link and just do a standard
Cineform convert, no upscaling or anything else... then see if the audio is in there... if it is then you can bring the footage into Premier and separate the audio and output from Premier the audio only..

then bring in the upscaled footage and the separate audio to the timeline...

Tom Delaney · August 18th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Ray, I did a standard convert in HDlink and still lost the audio. Its wierd VLC will play the original file just fine with audio, but won't play the file after I do a HDlink convert. However WMP will play the converted file and Premiere/AE will import it (no audio). When I try to play the converted AVI in VLC it says...

"No suitable decoder module:
VLC does not support the audio or video format "CFHD". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this."

I tried TMPGenc and it won't even open the source AVI

Ray Bell · August 18th, 2009, 06:52 PM

Tom, at this time it might be best that you bring the issue of no audio up in the Cineform
forum area and ask David for an assist... I'm sure the Cineform folks should be able to help you out.

David Beisner · August 20th, 2009, 12:01 PM

I've had a lot of trouble bringing in some mp4 and mjpeg footage to Premiere (CS3) without losing the audio. I've tried a host of different conversion tools, and so far the only way I've found to reliably convert some of those videos and keep the audio is to go to the WMV format and import that to Premiere (where you can then grab the audio file to go with your uprezzed footage from Cineform). I use a program called MP4 to AVI which has a WMV output.

Dimitris Mantalias · August 25th, 2009, 04:16 AM

InstantHD is a nice SD to HD software that does an amazing job. It surely is much better than resizing by using the standard NLE features.

Red Giant Software: Magic Bullet Instant HD 1.1

Ray Bell · August 25th, 2009, 05:14 AM

Instant HD uses the upscaling engine from Topaz... Topaz has more controls...

July 31st, 2009, 03:07 PM	#1
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	Whats the best way to upscale SD video for HD timeline? So I have some SD POV cam footage I want to use in a HD timeline. Whats the best way using premiere or AE to upscale it to match the height of the HD frame? Just scale it up? Any better way?

July 31st, 2009, 06:20 PM	#2
Vasco Dones Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: El Cerrito, CA Posts: 266	Tom, you might want to check out Video Enhancer, by Dee Mon (30 days free trial) Best Vasco __________________ www.donesmedia.net bricioledamerica.blogspot.com (in Italian)

August 4th, 2009, 04:09 PM	#9
Vasco Dones Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: El Cerrito, CA Posts: 266	Tom, did you try to open & convert the file with TMPGenc? __________________ www.donesmedia.net bricioledamerica.blogspot.com (in Italian)

August 20th, 2009, 12:01 PM	#13
David Beisner Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Dayton, TN (USA) Posts: 219	I've had a lot of trouble bringing in some mp4 and mjpeg footage to Premiere (CS3) without losing the audio. I've tried a host of different conversion tools, and so far the only way I've found to reliably convert some of those videos and keep the audio is to go to the WMV format and import that to Premiere (where you can then grab the audio file to go with your uprezzed footage from Cineform). I use a program called MP4 to AVI which has a WMV output. __________________ David Beisner Media Specialist, Bryan College, Dayton, TN -- www.bryan.edu

July 31st, 2009, 09:07 PM	#3
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	I can think of at least three ways... Cineform Red Giant instant HD Topaz

August 1st, 2009, 08:41 AM	#4
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	I have Cineform, whats the process there?

August 1st, 2009, 08:54 AM	#5
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Open HD link... go to prefs, chose resize video to the size you want, close prefs, click Convert tab and select either the folder with the files or the select files for convert, click start

August 4th, 2009, 12:01 PM	#6
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	So i tried Cineform and it scales the video well, except it eliminates the audio track. I've tried both AVI & MOV output formats and both have no audio, while the original source does. ANy idea why? The source footage is a bit wierd, its from a client that was using a GoPro POV cam. The GoPro website says the codec used is "MJPEG, 30 fps, saved as .AVI file" When I try to load the source into AE it crashes the program with no errors. Yet I can play the source in WMP, VLC, etc. When I convert using Cineform I can import into AE, but the audio is missing.

August 4th, 2009, 12:05 PM	#7
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	Just tried Video Enhancer and the source footage crashes the program upon import as well.

August 4th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#8
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	I'm at a loss here. I've tried opening these source files in about a half dozen programs ranging from editors, encoders, even a program to read the codec and they all crash soon as I select the file. I don't know if they are in MJPEG format or if the client has converted them. Only thing that'll open them is Cineform, but like I said I lose the audio once they are converted.

August 4th, 2009, 06:34 PM	#10
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	tom, see if you can put the original footage through the HD link and just do a standard Cineform convert, no upscaling or anything else... then see if the audio is in there... if it is then you can bring the footage into Premier and separate the audio and output from Premier the audio only.. then bring in the upscaled footage and the separate audio to the timeline...

August 18th, 2009, 12:00 PM	#11
Tom Delaney New Boot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 10	Ray, I did a standard convert in HDlink and still lost the audio. Its wierd VLC will play the original file just fine with audio, but won't play the file after I do a HDlink convert. However WMP will play the converted file and Premiere/AE will import it (no audio). When I try to play the converted AVI in VLC it says... "No suitable decoder module: VLC does not support the audio or video format "CFHD". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this." I tried TMPGenc and it won't even open the source AVI

August 18th, 2009, 06:52 PM	#12
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Tom, at this time it might be best that you bring the issue of no audio up in the Cineform forum area and ask David for an assist... I'm sure the Cineform folks should be able to help you out.

August 25th, 2009, 04:16 AM	#14
Dimitris Mantalias Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Arta, Greece Posts: 342	InstantHD is a nice SD to HD software that does an amazing job. It surely is much better than resizing by using the standard NLE features. Red Giant Software: Magic Bullet Instant HD 1.1

August 25th, 2009, 05:14 AM	#15
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Instant HD uses the upscaling engine from Topaz... Topaz has more controls...