3 minute .mov limit at DVinfo.net

Tao-ming Lin · November 7th, 2003, 09:08 PM

When I export from Premiere 6.5 to .avi, I can do it, but when I try the Quicktime option it cuts everything off just after 3 minutes, but I don't know why. Also, I can't get 6.5 to recognize my DVX100. I use a Canopus Raptor. The reason for this is my friend is making the DVD on his Powerbook and needs a .mov file to work with. His computer doens't recognize avi files, or at least now Canopus Raptor-generated avi's.

Will upgrading to Premiere 7 (Pro) resolve this issue and others? Can I import 6.5 projects into 7 without a problem? Is it even a Premiere problem, and not a Windows or Canopus issue?

Tao-ming Lin · November 14th, 2003, 11:44 PM

Ah, screw it, I should just get a G5.

Ted Springer · November 15th, 2003, 04:35 PM

You might want to wait a few months before getting a G5, as they are still kind of buggy.

Is Adobe Premiere 6.5 the latest version? If so I have heard nothing but complaints about it from a friend who has the "latest version". This may be a quirk. Try making sure your in and out points on the timeline are set correctly, if applicable. That's about all I can suggest.

John Locke · November 15th, 2003, 05:20 PM

TC,

Hold off for the dual 3 gHz G5 they're saying will be released early next year.

Tao-ming Lin · November 15th, 2003, 08:05 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : You might want to wait a few months before getting a G5, as they are still kind of buggy.

Is Adobe Premiere 6.5 the latest version? If so I have heard nothing but complaints about it from a friend who has the "latest version". This may be a quirk. Try making sure your in and out points on the timeline are set correctly, if applicable. That's about all I can suggest. -->>>

Premiere 7 (Pro) is the latest, and I haven't upgraded to it yet as I was afraid it would be buggy, as they built this one from the ground up, or so I hear. This is a problem with 6.5. I export the timeline to .mov, just as I would export to .avi, which has no such issues, and it gives me just over three minutes of whatever project I'm working on. Across the board. There's no mention of a cutoff or any settings to change to affect this. It just happens, as far as I can see, and I have no idea why. It's really frustrating because I really want to be done with this thing already.

I don't have nearly enough money to buy a G5, actually, and the earliest I could get one would be early next year in any case.

Ted Springer · November 15th, 2003, 08:16 PM

Another Question would be: Do you have Quicktime Pro? I don't know if this would make a difference, but maybe Quicktime clips you if it isn't the fully registered version. Also, have you tried encoding different codecs using Quicktime? Try something like Sorenson or one of the other codecs. Try adjusting the compression level. I am grasping at straws here, but that's what I would try.

As for the DV issue, my friend couldn't get Premiere to recognize ANY DV camera (I think it was Premiere 6 or 5.5... not sure, he just "upgraded") because he had a Canopus DV Raptor capture card, which he has also come to loath. I think the latest Premiere fixes that issue, at least. Is there a tab or option in premiere that lets you switch between camera and non-controllable device? I had this problem in Final Cut Pro and it was set to non-controllable device.

Tao-ming Lin · November 15th, 2003, 08:20 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : Another Question would be: Do you have Quicktime Pro? I don't know if this would make a difference, but maybe Quicktime clips you if it isn't the fully registered version. Also, have you tried encoding different codecs using Quicktime? Try something like Sorenson or one of the other codecs. Try adjusting the compression level. I am grasping at straws here, but that's what I would try. -->>>

I have Quicktime Pro, actually, but the project is a Premiere project, thus it is either Premiere or Windows in general that seems to be the problem here. Also, there are many Quicktime compression choices listed in the export choices. I selected the first one, "Planar RGB". This may have been a bad choice, but I don't know which one would be best. Does anyone know?

Ted Springer · November 15th, 2003, 08:23 PM

If you are exporting for the web, I'd choose Sorenson or Sorenson 3, with the compression a little above 50%. The audio should be IMA 4:1 and 32Khz stereo. That'll give you a good web video.

If you want to watch it on your TV, I'd just export to Quicktime NTSC DV (or PAL, depending on where you are) full quaity, no sound compression. I have never used Planar RGB and I would be suspect, because some of those codecs are a little wacky.

Glenn Chan · November 15th, 2003, 08:27 PM

mpeg4 audio gives much better compression but it needs QT6 to play back. sorenson3 needs QT5.

Tao-ming Lin · November 15th, 2003, 08:31 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : If you are exporting for the web, I'd choose Sorenson or Sorenson 3, with the compression a little above 50%. The audio should be IMA 4:1 and 32Khz stereo. That'll give you a good web video.

If you want to watch it on your TV, I'd just export to Quicktime NTSC DV (or PAL, depending on where you are) full quaity, no sound compression. I have never used Planar RGB and I would be suspect, because some of those codecs are a little wacky. -->>>

I'd choose no compression if the choice were there, but it's not; you have to choose one to export to Quicktime, even at 100% quality. There's still no reason for it to stop after 3 minutes, though.

This is for a DVD, btw, not the web, so I want the highest quality export I can get from the original Premiere project file.

Tao-ming Lin · November 16th, 2003, 09:06 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : Try choosing "Uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2". That's uncompressed. -->>>

I don't see where I can choose that when exporting the movie from Premiere.

November 16th, 2003, 10:51 PM

Please launch QuickTime Pro when you are in QuickTime go to import movie. From there go to where anyone of the .avi files reside and then import it into QT.

This is to check if you have the capabilities to play a file as you might be missing a codec for QT. Having done this and it works the next step is to make sure that you have exported your entire project as this I have done in the past only exporting a partial.

Tao-ming Lin · November 17th, 2003, 12:28 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Tom Neumann : Please launch QuickTime Pro when you are in QuickTime go to import movie. From there go to where anyone of the .avi files reside and then import it into QT.

This is to check if you have the capabilities to play a file as you might be missing a codec for QT. Having done this and it works the next step is to make sure that you have exported your entire project as this I have done in the past only exporting a partial. -->>>

My Quicktime will play .avi files in general. And in Premiere I was exporting the whole timeline so there's no reason Premiere should only export just over 3 minutes.

Rob Lohman · November 24th, 2003, 07:40 AM

I'm not sure whether (older) Mac's have this problem, but are
you running into a/the 2 GB or 4 GB barrier?

Tao-ming Lin · November 24th, 2003, 09:14 AM

Could be, the files stop at 3.99 gigs. When I exported to .avi format, it had no such barrier, though. Why would it suddenly have the barrier for the .mov files?

November 7th, 2003, 09:08 PM	#1
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	3 minute .mov limit When I export from Premiere 6.5 to .avi, I can do it, but when I try the Quicktime option it cuts everything off just after 3 minutes, but I don't know why. Also, I can't get 6.5 to recognize my DVX100. I use a Canopus Raptor. The reason for this is my friend is making the DVD on his Powerbook and needs a .mov file to work with. His computer doens't recognize avi files, or at least now Canopus Raptor-generated avi's. Will upgrading to Premiere 7 (Pro) resolve this issue and others? Can I import 6.5 projects into 7 without a problem? Is it even a Premiere problem, and not a Windows or Canopus issue?

November 15th, 2003, 05:20 PM	#4
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November 24th, 2003, 07:40 AM	#14
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November 14th, 2003, 11:44 PM	#2
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	Ah, screw it, I should just get a G5.

November 15th, 2003, 04:35 PM	#3
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	You might want to wait a few months before getting a G5, as they are still kind of buggy. Is Adobe Premiere 6.5 the latest version? If so I have heard nothing but complaints about it from a friend who has the "latest version". This may be a quirk. Try making sure your in and out points on the timeline are set correctly, if applicable. That's about all I can suggest.

November 15th, 2003, 08:05 PM	#5
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : You might want to wait a few months before getting a G5, as they are still kind of buggy. Is Adobe Premiere 6.5 the latest version? If so I have heard nothing but complaints about it from a friend who has the "latest version". This may be a quirk. Try making sure your in and out points on the timeline are set correctly, if applicable. That's about all I can suggest. -->>> Premiere 7 (Pro) is the latest, and I haven't upgraded to it yet as I was afraid it would be buggy, as they built this one from the ground up, or so I hear. This is a problem with 6.5. I export the timeline to .mov, just as I would export to .avi, which has no such issues, and it gives me just over three minutes of whatever project I'm working on. Across the board. There's no mention of a cutoff or any settings to change to affect this. It just happens, as far as I can see, and I have no idea why. It's really frustrating because I really want to be done with this thing already. I don't have nearly enough money to buy a G5, actually, and the earliest I could get one would be early next year in any case.

November 15th, 2003, 08:16 PM	#6
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	Another Question would be: Do you have Quicktime Pro? I don't know if this would make a difference, but maybe Quicktime clips you if it isn't the fully registered version. Also, have you tried encoding different codecs using Quicktime? Try something like Sorenson or one of the other codecs. Try adjusting the compression level. I am grasping at straws here, but that's what I would try. As for the DV issue, my friend couldn't get Premiere to recognize ANY DV camera (I think it was Premiere 6 or 5.5... not sure, he just "upgraded") because he had a Canopus DV Raptor capture card, which he has also come to loath. I think the latest Premiere fixes that issue, at least. Is there a tab or option in premiere that lets you switch between camera and non-controllable device? I had this problem in Final Cut Pro and it was set to non-controllable device.

November 15th, 2003, 08:20 PM	#7
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : Another Question would be: Do you have Quicktime Pro? I don't know if this would make a difference, but maybe Quicktime clips you if it isn't the fully registered version. Also, have you tried encoding different codecs using Quicktime? Try something like Sorenson or one of the other codecs. Try adjusting the compression level. I am grasping at straws here, but that's what I would try. -->>> I have Quicktime Pro, actually, but the project is a Premiere project, thus it is either Premiere or Windows in general that seems to be the problem here. Also, there are many Quicktime compression choices listed in the export choices. I selected the first one, "Planar RGB". This may have been a bad choice, but I don't know which one would be best. Does anyone know?

November 15th, 2003, 08:23 PM	#8
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	If you are exporting for the web, I'd choose Sorenson or Sorenson 3, with the compression a little above 50%. The audio should be IMA 4:1 and 32Khz stereo. That'll give you a good web video. If you want to watch it on your TV, I'd just export to Quicktime NTSC DV (or PAL, depending on where you are) full quaity, no sound compression. I have never used Planar RGB and I would be suspect, because some of those codecs are a little wacky.

November 15th, 2003, 08:27 PM	#9
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	mpeg4 audio gives much better compression but it needs QT6 to play back. sorenson3 needs QT5.

November 15th, 2003, 08:31 PM	#10
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : If you are exporting for the web, I'd choose Sorenson or Sorenson 3, with the compression a little above 50%. The audio should be IMA 4:1 and 32Khz stereo. That'll give you a good web video. If you want to watch it on your TV, I'd just export to Quicktime NTSC DV (or PAL, depending on where you are) full quaity, no sound compression. I have never used Planar RGB and I would be suspect, because some of those codecs are a little wacky. -->>> I'd choose no compression if the choice were there, but it's not; you have to choose one to export to Quicktime, even at 100% quality. There's still no reason for it to stop after 3 minutes, though. This is for a DVD, btw, not the web, so I want the highest quality export I can get from the original Premiere project file.

November 16th, 2003, 09:06 PM	#11
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	<<<-- Originally posted by Ted Springer : Try choosing "Uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2". That's uncompressed. -->>> I don't see where I can choose that when exporting the movie from Premiere.

November 16th, 2003, 10:51 PM	#12
Guest Posts: n/a	Please launch QuickTime Pro when you are in QuickTime go to import movie. From there go to where anyone of the .avi files reside and then import it into QT. This is to check if you have the capabilities to play a file as you might be missing a codec for QT. Having done this and it works the next step is to make sure that you have exported your entire project as this I have done in the past only exporting a partial.

November 17th, 2003, 12:28 AM	#13
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	<<<-- Originally posted by Tom Neumann : Please launch QuickTime Pro when you are in QuickTime go to import movie. From there go to where anyone of the .avi files reside and then import it into QT. This is to check if you have the capabilities to play a file as you might be missing a codec for QT. Having done this and it works the next step is to make sure that you have exported your entire project as this I have done in the past only exporting a partial. -->>> My Quicktime will play .avi files in general. And in Premiere I was exporting the whole timeline so there's no reason Premiere should only export just over 3 minutes.

November 24th, 2003, 09:14 AM	#15
Tao-ming Lin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 159	Could be, the files stop at 3.99 gigs. When I exported to .avi format, it had no such barrier, though. Why would it suddenly have the barrier for the .mov files?