Adobe Premiere discussions from 2002

Rob Lohman · October 21st, 2002, 09:09 AM

What resolution did you scan them in and to what resolution
did you resize em? Did you use a high quality resample function?

Rob Lohman · October 21st, 2002, 11:04 AM

Well, this doesn't look too good. What Windows version are you
running? Kernel32.dll is THE file for the Windows kernel (piece
of code that is the base of an operating system -> very critical!)
and it usually is not a good sign if you have problem with that.
However, most kernel32.dll errors I've seen where under a
Windows 9x (95,96,98,ME) which isn't suited for video work any-
ways. I suggest going with Windows 2000 Professional (XP
Prof. seems to be a bit unstable now and then with multimedia
stuff).

Other than that I suspect your system is full of garbage and
might need a reinstall. There is also a (free) update to Premiere
6.01 on the Adobe site that might fix the problem (but I doubt
that).

Hope this will help some.

Rob Lohman · October 21st, 2002, 11:17 AM

Well, I think any editor will allow you to do this. Otherwise they
wouldn't be any good at all. The question really is what do you
prefer and what tools do you need along the way. I suggest you
try out as much demos of all the editors out there that you can
get your hands on. A list of a few editors:

- Adobe Premiere
- Avid DV XPress
- Pinnacle Edition
- Vegas Video

etc. etc.

Richard Alvarez · October 21st, 2002, 11:48 AM

Shawn,

I was the one who mentioned the "steep learning curve" about Avid. Yes, it's true if you are trained on Premiere already, it is kind of tough to "unlearn" your work flow. They just have a different approach. Don't let the potential to learn stop you from learning. Just go in with your eyes open.

Having said that, and not knowing your budget. Premiere SOFTWARE is going to be much cheaper than the avid software. But if you throw in the hardware to get it up and running at top speed, it's going to come in pretty close. (Look at the cost of turnkey editing systems such as DVLine sells. Compare the Premeire/Matrox solutions to the Avid XPressDV solutions.)

Doug Quance · October 21st, 2002, 04:42 PM

I have a quirky problem that I know one of you great talents must have an answer for:

I am running Premiere 6.1, and have a short project assembled that I would like to do a voice-over while the project is playing.

I can't seem to get an audio capture while the project plays. Locks it up. (Maybe I'm doing something wrong... who knows)

I looked in the "no-help" help file.... nothing about voice-overs.

I searched this site... nothing here.

I have two options other than Premiere:

Digitally record on another system, then import it into Premiere; OR render the project and import it into Vegas Video (which I believe I can do voice-overs... not sure, though).

Any thoughts on how to keep this in Premiere?

Thanks!

Mark Moore · October 21st, 2002, 05:10 PM

I don't know if this helps or not - but I did a voice over for my first short film. I sat in my bedroom with my GL-1 and a good shotgun mic and taped myself. I then imported that tape into PREMIERE (6.0), unlocked the video/audio, deleted the video and had good quality voice over that I lined up in the desired position on the timeline.

Without access to a studio, that was what worked for me!

Doug Quance · October 21st, 2002, 05:19 PM

If I understand you correctly, you watched your project on your computer while you recorded your voiceover into the G-1, right?

That's a work-around.

I can record separately, though.

I just tried starting the audio capture before starting the playback, and the program didn't stop until I touched the capture recorder (all I did was maximize it, and the program stopped playing)

I'll go back and try again, but this may work.

SammyLeopold · October 21st, 2002, 07:58 PM

Hi Rob,

Thanks for responding! Well, as far as resolution, I am not sure as my scanner's software does not display dpi. But the original 5 X 6.75 inch picture came out to be 40x52 inches or 2868 pixels x 3888 pixels. Then I took it into Photoshop and resized it down to 5 x 6.75 inches. I figured that would improve the quality, since I am taking allot of pixes and squeezing them closer together into a smaller area? Like I said before when I open the picture in Premiere it looks great but once I insert it into and output the timeline it looks lousy! As far as whether or not I used a high quality resample function, probably not as I do not know what that is, is that a function of a scanner or Premiere? Thanks so much for your help!

-SL

Zac Stein · October 21st, 2002, 09:11 PM

but does it look lousy when outputted to a tv?

or only in the crap timeline window?

kermie

October 21st, 2002, 09:57 PM

If I import a photoshop file (.psd) into premiere, the image quality should be at MAX correct?

Are there any pros n cons to doing this? I hear so many people importing TIFFS and TARGA files... why not just leave them as PSD photoshop files?

thanks! ;-)

Robert Knecht Schmidt · October 21st, 2002, 10:57 PM

I'm not sure how Premiere's image processing algorithms work, but it could be that it doesn't antialias effectively when resizing images to fit the screen. The most sensible thing to do is to resize the still images to the appropriate size for your format (e.g. 640 x 480 or 720 x 480) with correct antialiasing; or, if motion effects are needed, use After Effects with antialiasing turned on.

It might also be that Premiere has excellent antialiasing. But if you aren't satisfied with the still image results you get, this might be one thing to take into consideration.

Rob Lohman · October 22nd, 2002, 09:33 AM

I think it would be better to go down this route:

1. just play your movie with something like Mediaplayer
(as long as it isn't Premiere), mute the sound !
2. Fire up an audio program and record line in.

It might also be possible to use premiere in step 1 if you use
a different audio recording program in step 2 (like cool edit,
wavelab etc.).

Rob Lohman · October 22nd, 2002, 09:38 AM

Sammy,

When working with digital clips/photos etc. in your computer
do it in PIXELS.. .not inches or DPI... An NTSC signal is 720x480,
PAL is 720x576. So 2868x3888 is way too much. When you lower
the resolution you are resampling your image. The quality is
very dependent on which resampling function you are using.
I'm not a Photoshop user (I use some smaller apps for my
graphics work) but most Graphics packages tend to go for the
better quality. But, resample your picture to 720x480 or 720x576
and e-mail it to me as an jpeg at visuar@iname.com and I'll
take a look at it for you.

Good luck.

Richard Alvarez · October 22nd, 2002, 11:37 AM

All this work-around makes me appreciate the "Audio Punch-In" tool on Avid XpressDV. I did a film-noir short, shot in Super 8 film. Brought it into the system, did the vidual editing. Then laid in the music. Came time for the voice-overs, "Voila" easy-peasy. Also worked great for some "foley" work. Even if the sound effect was off a bit, I just moved it over on the time-line. Same with a piece of ADR.

Brian M. Dickman · October 22nd, 2002, 04:49 PM

Vegas would do a fine job of this. Drop in the video (and audio track if you have one), add a new audio track, arm it for record, and record. The video and any non-muted audio tracks will play back while you record the new audio track. If you do have an existing audio track that you want to hear during narration, use headphones to avoid recording back a second copy of the existing track.

This is one advantage to Vegas' legacy as a multi-track sound editor, very good audio tool support. You could even do this with Vegas LE, which supports 2 video tracks and 3 audio tracks.

October 21st, 2002, 09:09 AM	#301
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	What resolution did you scan them in and to what resolution did you resize em? Did you use a high quality resample function? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 21st, 2002, 11:04 AM	#302
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well, this doesn't look too good. What Windows version are you running? Kernel32.dll is THE file for the Windows kernel (piece of code that is the base of an operating system -> very critical!) and it usually is not a good sign if you have problem with that. However, most kernel32.dll errors I've seen where under a Windows 9x (95,96,98,ME) which isn't suited for video work any- ways. I suggest going with Windows 2000 Professional (XP Prof. seems to be a bit unstable now and then with multimedia stuff). Other than that I suspect your system is full of garbage and might need a reinstall. There is also a (free) update to Premiere 6.01 on the Adobe site that might fix the problem (but I doubt that). Hope this will help some. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 21st, 2002, 11:17 AM	#303
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well, I think any editor will allow you to do this. Otherwise they wouldn't be any good at all. The question really is what do you prefer and what tools do you need along the way. I suggest you try out as much demos of all the editors out there that you can get your hands on. A list of a few editors: - Adobe Premiere - Avid DV XPress - Pinnacle Edition - Vegas Video etc. etc. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 21st, 2002, 04:42 PM	#305
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	Voice-over in Premiere I have a quirky problem that I know one of you great talents must have an answer for: I am running Premiere 6.1, and have a short project assembled that I would like to do a voice-over while the project is playing. I can't seem to get an audio capture while the project plays. Locks it up. (Maybe I'm doing something wrong... who knows) I looked in the "no-help" help file.... nothing about voice-overs. I searched this site... nothing here. I have two options other than Premiere: Digitally record on another system, then import it into Premiere; OR render the project and import it into Vegas Video (which I believe I can do voice-overs... not sure, though). Any thoughts on how to keep this in Premiere? Thanks! __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 21st, 2002, 05:10 PM	#306
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	I don't know if this helps or not - but I did a voice over for my first short film. I sat in my bedroom with my GL-1 and a good shotgun mic and taped myself. I then imported that tape into PREMIERE (6.0), unlocked the video/audio, deleted the video and had good quality voice over that I lined up in the desired position on the timeline. Without access to a studio, that was what worked for me! __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

October 21st, 2002, 11:48 AM	#304
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Shawn, I was the one who mentioned the "steep learning curve" about Avid. Yes, it's true if you are trained on Premiere already, it is kind of tough to "unlearn" your work flow. They just have a different approach. Don't let the potential to learn stop you from learning. Just go in with your eyes open. Having said that, and not knowing your budget. Premiere SOFTWARE is going to be much cheaper than the avid software. But if you throw in the hardware to get it up and running at top speed, it's going to come in pretty close. (Look at the cost of turnkey editing systems such as DVLine sells. Compare the Premeire/Matrox solutions to the Avid XPressDV solutions.)

October 21st, 2002, 05:19 PM	#307
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	If I understand you correctly, you watched your project on your computer while you recorded your voiceover into the G-1, right? That's a work-around. I can record separately, though. I just tried starting the audio capture before starting the playback, and the program didn't stop until I touched the capture recorder (all I did was maximize it, and the program stopped playing) I'll go back and try again, but this may work. __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 21st, 2002, 07:58 PM	#308
SammyLeopold Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	Hi Rob, Thanks for responding! Well, as far as resolution, I am not sure as my scanner's software does not display dpi. But the original 5 X 6.75 inch picture came out to be 40x52 inches or 2868 pixels x 3888 pixels. Then I took it into Photoshop and resized it down to 5 x 6.75 inches. I figured that would improve the quality, since I am taking allot of pixes and squeezing them closer together into a smaller area? Like I said before when I open the picture in Premiere it looks great but once I insert it into and output the timeline it looks lousy! As far as whether or not I used a high quality resample function, probably not as I do not know what that is, is that a function of a scanner or Premiere? Thanks so much for your help! -SL

October 21st, 2002, 09:11 PM	#309
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	but does it look lousy when outputted to a tv? or only in the crap timeline window? kermie

October 21st, 2002, 09:57 PM	#310
snafu005 Posts: n/a	Photoshop files into premiere If I import a photoshop file (.psd) into premiere, the image quality should be at MAX correct? Are there any pros n cons to doing this? I hear so many people importing TIFFS and TARGA files... why not just leave them as PSD photoshop files? thanks! ;-)

October 21st, 2002, 10:57 PM	#311
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	I'm not sure how Premiere's image processing algorithms work, but it could be that it doesn't antialias effectively when resizing images to fit the screen. The most sensible thing to do is to resize the still images to the appropriate size for your format (e.g. 640 x 480 or 720 x 480) with correct antialiasing; or, if motion effects are needed, use After Effects with antialiasing turned on. It might also be that Premiere has excellent antialiasing. But if you aren't satisfied with the still image results you get, this might be one thing to take into consideration. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 22nd, 2002, 09:33 AM	#312
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I think it would be better to go down this route: 1. just play your movie with something like Mediaplayer (as long as it isn't Premiere), mute the sound ! 2. Fire up an audio program and record line in. It might also be possible to use premiere in step 1 if you use a different audio recording program in step 2 (like cool edit, wavelab etc.). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 22nd, 2002, 09:38 AM	#313
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Sammy, When working with digital clips/photos etc. in your computer do it in PIXELS.. .not inches or DPI... An NTSC signal is 720x480, PAL is 720x576. So 2868x3888 is way too much. When you lower the resolution you are resampling your image. The quality is very dependent on which resampling function you are using. I'm not a Photoshop user (I use some smaller apps for my graphics work) but most Graphics packages tend to go for the better quality. But, resample your picture to 720x480 or 720x576 and e-mail it to me as an jpeg at visuar@iname.com and I'll take a look at it for you. Good luck. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 22nd, 2002, 11:37 AM	#314
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	All this work-around makes me appreciate the "Audio Punch-In" tool on Avid XpressDV. I did a film-noir short, shot in Super 8 film. Brought it into the system, did the vidual editing. Then laid in the music. Came time for the voice-overs, "Voila" easy-peasy. Also worked great for some "foley" work. Even if the sound effect was off a bit, I just moved it over on the time-line. Same with a piece of ADR.

October 22nd, 2002, 04:49 PM	#315
Brian M. Dickman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 148	Vegas would do a fine job of this. Drop in the video (and audio track if you have one), add a new audio track, arm it for record, and record. The video and any non-muted audio tracks will play back while you record the new audio track. If you do have an existing audio track that you want to hear during narration, use headphones to avoid recording back a second copy of the existing track. This is one advantage to Vegas' legacy as a multi-track sound editor, very good audio tool support. You could even do this with Vegas LE, which supports 2 video tracks and 3 audio tracks.