Sony XDCAM EX and Premiere Pro

Markus Klatt · March 26th, 2009, 02:24 AM

I should've read this thread before downloading 1.2GB ;)

If anybody is interested: no, this does still not work with the actual trial of PP CS4, downloaded yesterday from adobe.com and installed on a very fresh & pure XP32pro-system. No appropriate HD-Settings for 1080p/i or 720p/i and no importing of mp4 from EX1 or MXF from ClipBrowser 2.5.

Aftwards I installed an Edius 5 trial on that system - and it works great. If there would not exist Encore with Premiere Pro I would now change to Edius, since people love it...

Bob Grant · March 26th, 2009, 04:08 AM

I suspect the difference is that Adobe licence the full Main Concept codec, once you have it, it's available to all applications. If they included it in the trial you could get it for free.
The codec that ships with Vegas is restricted to Vegas only, it is not available to other applications.

I can't speak for XDCAM EX in CS4 which I have but haven't installed. CS3 was upgraded to support XDCAM some time ago and it's been working OK for me. It's certainly nice not having to do the Clipbrowser dance and edit straight from the cards. With a 16GB SDHC card it takes close to realtime before I'm editing in Vegas. With CS3 it takes a minute or two to get all the clips onto the timeline. CS3 can display all the metadata, right down to the serial number of the camera that recorded the clips.

I'd also agree with others about Edius based on the all too quick look(s) I've had at it. It's kind of the sleeper that like Vegas doesn't get the press it deserves.

Paul Joy · March 26th, 2009, 11:59 AM

I don't use Premiere but I have the CS4 Master collection so I ran it to check. It looks like it supports all flavours of EX.

I felt like a fish out of water in there though!

Docea Marius · March 28th, 2009, 11:03 AM

Hallo Paul,you tried to burn a blu-ray with CS4? if so, how did you do? I tried to export a 1920x1080 25p project done and I can not export the blu-ray only 1920x1080 25I were 720 50p.Care what is the solution the best?
Thanks

Alfredo Silva · March 28th, 2009, 06:33 PM

Hello guys, Im running the APPcs4 into pc platform and accepts all the flavors of the EX1/3.
And you can export to various H264 bluray files or mpeg2 Blueray with the Adobe Encoder. It have progressive as well as interlaced at all the framerates and all HD sizes (1980x1080-1440x1080-1290x720).

Ed Kukla · March 29th, 2009, 05:31 AM

Can you export out of Premiere onto DVD or cards in the original camera format?

Eddie Coates · April 22nd, 2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

No one is editing EX video in CS4?

I open my Ex1 files directly in CS4 and edit them in CS4

Paul Kellett · April 22nd, 2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

No one is editing EX video in CS4?

Piotr, i give one of my colleagues footage from my EX1 and it works with CS4.
I put the whole bapv onto a portable drive, go to his house, plug the protable drive in, he copies the files to his pc and that's it, he's editing, no rewrapping needed.

Paul.

Ed Kukla · July 16th, 2009, 10:11 PM

premiere cs4 has little or no metadata support for EX files. Adding names or titles in the Sony Clip browser does not show up on the Premiere Media browser where it would do the most good. Big disapointment

Francis Lau · July 21st, 2009, 07:51 PM

I have recently added CS4 to my software collection, and I must say it has impressed me in unexpected ways.

I know to edit P2 footage in Premiere Pro, you need to download drivers from the Pany website. Anyone knows if XD CAM has similar requirements?

Is the footage capturing process as seamless and easy as plug-and-play, or do we need Sony's plug-in at some point?

Cheers

Mitchell Skurnik · July 21st, 2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Lau

I have recently added CS4 to my software collection, and I must say it has impressed me in unexpected ways.

I know to edit P2 footage in Premiere Pro, you need to download drivers from the Pany website. Anyone knows if XD CAM has similar requirements?

Is the footage capturing process as seamless and easy as plug-and-play, or do we need Sony's plug-in at some point?

Cheers

Plug the card in, copy the footage to your editing drive, copy into premiere, edit...so yes plug and play. On my windows 7 computer I did not have to install any drivers...same with my windows vista computer

Markus Klatt · July 21st, 2009, 11:46 PM

No additional drivers on Win XP Pro needed to edit native XDCAM mp4-footage. You even do not need to rewrap to mxf, just directly import mp4 into PP and edit...

Marcello Mazzilli · July 22nd, 2009, 09:24 AM

XDCAM in mP4 wrapper (like Sony EX) works fine wit hno extra drivers.. still.. no MOV XDCAM like my HM700 does. I have both options (MP4 or MOV wrapper but the the MOV is Final Cut compatibile and easier to handle without all those folders)

James Jason Lee · August 21st, 2009, 12:52 AM

oop wrong place to post

Thomas Planquette · September 5th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Important to know : unlike many others professionals video editing software, like Final Cut Studio either Canopus Edius among others, which do it for free, Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 do not export XDCAM formats (EX, HD and others). That means you cannot correctly archive your XDCAM work with Premiere Pro CS4. To export your XDCAM project with Premiere, you’ll have to buy Mainconcept MPEG PRO HD 4 plug-in, whose price is 359 $ / 279 € (plus appl. Tax).

This situation is unfortunately not properly indicated by Adobe, that’s the least that one can say. It wouldn’t be false to say it is even hidden.

(Just in case anybody would know how to export XDCAM from Premiere Pro CS4 without buying Mainconcept plug-in, let us know, but I am pretty shure it is not possible.)

March 26th, 2009, 11:59 AM	#18
Paul Joy Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 627	I don't use Premiere but I have the CS4 Master collection so I ran it to check. It looks like it supports all flavours of EX. I felt like a fish out of water in there though! Attached Thumbnails __________________ Blog: www.pauljoy.com Company: www.videotrader.co.uk

March 29th, 2009, 05:31 AM	#21
Ed Kukla Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: All over, USA Posts: 512	CS4 export Can you export out of Premiere onto DVD or cards in the original camera format?

July 21st, 2009, 07:51 PM	#25
Francis Lau Tourist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 2	Do we have to download additional drivers? I have recently added CS4 to my software collection, and I must say it has impressed me in unexpected ways. I know to edit P2 footage in Premiere Pro, you need to download drivers from the Pany website. Anyone knows if XD CAM has similar requirements? Is the footage capturing process as seamless and easy as plug-and-play, or do we need Sony's plug-in at some point? Cheers

August 21st, 2009, 12:52 AM	#29
James Jason Lee New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 7	.MP4 encode issues with XDCAM EX footage in CS4 oop wrong place to post Last edited by James Jason Lee; August 21st, 2009 at 01:01 AM. Reason: in wrong thread

March 26th, 2009, 02:24 AM	#16
Markus Klatt Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 169	I should've read this thread before downloading 1.2GB ;) If anybody is interested: no, this does still not work with the actual trial of PP CS4, downloaded yesterday from adobe.com and installed on a very fresh & pure XP32pro-system. No appropriate HD-Settings for 1080p/i or 720p/i and no importing of mp4 from EX1 or MXF from ClipBrowser 2.5. Aftwards I installed an Edius 5 trial on that system - and it works great. If there would not exist Encore with Premiere Pro I would now change to Edius, since people love it...

March 26th, 2009, 04:08 AM	#17
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	I suspect the difference is that Adobe licence the full Main Concept codec, once you have it, it's available to all applications. If they included it in the trial you could get it for free. The codec that ships with Vegas is restricted to Vegas only, it is not available to other applications. I can't speak for XDCAM EX in CS4 which I have but haven't installed. CS3 was upgraded to support XDCAM some time ago and it's been working OK for me. It's certainly nice not having to do the Clipbrowser dance and edit straight from the cards. With a 16GB SDHC card it takes close to realtime before I'm editing in Vegas. With CS3 it takes a minute or two to get all the clips onto the timeline. CS3 can display all the metadata, right down to the serial number of the camera that recorded the clips. I'd also agree with others about Edius based on the all too quick look(s) I've had at it. It's kind of the sleeper that like Vegas doesn't get the press it deserves.

March 28th, 2009, 11:03 AM	#19
Docea Marius Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 175	Hallo Paul,you tried to burn a blu-ray with CS4? if so, how did you do? I tried to export a 1920x1080 25p project done and I can not export the blu-ray only 1920x1080 25I were 720 50p.Care what is the solution the best? Thanks

March 28th, 2009, 06:33 PM	#20
Alfredo Silva Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Stockholm, sweden Posts: 26	Hello guys, Im running the APPcs4 into pc platform and accepts all the flavors of the EX1/3. And you can export to various H264 bluray files or mpeg2 Blueray with the Adobe Encoder. It have progressive as well as interlaced at all the framerates and all HD sizes (1980x1080-1440x1080-1290x720).

July 16th, 2009, 10:11 PM	#24
Ed Kukla Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: All over, USA Posts: 512	premiere cs4 has little or no metadata support for EX files. Adding names or titles in the Sony Clip browser does not show up on the Premiere Media browser where it would do the most good. Big disapointment

July 21st, 2009, 11:46 PM	#27
Markus Klatt Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 169	No additional drivers on Win XP Pro needed to edit native XDCAM mp4-footage. You even do not need to rewrap to mxf, just directly import mp4 into PP and edit...

July 22nd, 2009, 09:24 AM	#28
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	XDCAM in mP4 wrapper (like Sony EX) works fine wit hno extra drivers.. still.. no MOV XDCAM like my HM700 does. I have both options (MP4 or MOV wrapper but the the MOV is Final Cut compatibile and easier to handle without all those folders)

September 5th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#30
Thomas Planquette New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marseille, France Posts: 5	Important to know : unlike many others professionals video editing software, like Final Cut Studio either Canopus Edius among others, which do it for free, Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 do not export XDCAM formats (EX, HD and others). That means you cannot correctly archive your XDCAM work with Premiere Pro CS4. To export your XDCAM project with Premiere, you’ll have to buy Mainconcept MPEG PRO HD 4 plug-in, whose price is 359 $ / 279 € (plus appl. Tax). This situation is unfortunately not properly indicated by Adobe, that’s the least that one can say. It wouldn’t be false to say it is even hidden. (Just in case anybody would know how to export XDCAM from Premiere Pro CS4 without buying Mainconcept plug-in, let us know, but I am pretty shure it is not possible.)