Premiere CS3 and quad core rendering? at DVinfo.net

Marty Hudzik · June 12th, 2008, 08:46 PM

I have had a quad core and CS3 for almost a year and the increase in rendering speed has been great when using the Adobe media encoder. All 4 cores are always cranking and cutting render times compared to my work dual core almost in half.

Tonight, I loaded up an HD project that is in Canon 24f and I am converting it to 16x9 SD DVD mpg at 8mbps. It is only 10 minutes long and is taking 25+ minutes to render, and when I look at the processors it is only using 25%! What is up all of a sudden?

2 things that might have changed since I last noticed all 4 cores getting utilized.

Adobe pushed out a Premiere update adding Sony Xdcam EX support (3.0.2??)

Microsoft pushed out SP3.

Is possible one of these has caused issues with threading across 4 cores? Heck.....at 25% I am really only using 1 core. This stinks if I have somehow lost the benefits of quad processing.

Thanks.

Marty Hudzik · June 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM

I may have stumbled onto something. When I create a new project using the Adobe HDV-1080-24p preset and import the same clips into my timeline, I get amazing render speeds! The thing cooks and rendered 1 minute of the timeline to an mpg in about 20 seconds or so. At that rate the entire 10 minutes would render in 3.5 minutes vs. 25 minutes in the original project. I had downloaded the Adobe presets for Canon HDV 24f that were designed for PPRO2, but they worked great before. Now it seems they may be problematic in CS# with the latest updates form Adobe which included a new preset to take the place of the PPRO2 canon presets.

I will post if I see anything else interesting here.

Mitchell Skurnik · June 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM

Do you have all the recent updates from Adobe?

Marty Hudzik · June 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM

I feel like I am talking to myself but here is another bit of useful information. The issue is caused by "de-interlacing" being checked in the output box of Adobe Media Encoder. This is tunred on by default and it somehow causes your render to be single core threaded.

Weird? I had noticed this glitch in CS3 where most of the mpg presets have deinterlace checked by default which essentially halves your resolution when outputting to Blu-ray....but I never noticed this issue with only using a single core.

Good LUck....hopefully I Will spare some of you running into these issues.

Out!

Eric Shepherd · June 15th, 2008, 07:06 AM

Wow, so the de-interlacing is single-core aware? That seems like a bit of a problem on their end!

Thanks for the info, I have a Q6600 and I've noticed the media encoder is pretty slow here when I've used it recently, and CPU usage hovers between 24 and 26%. I'll try unchecking that box, since all my footage is progressive, with rare exceptions.

Thanks!
Eric

Marty Hudzik · June 15th, 2008, 09:10 PM

eric,

Any luck verifying this? Just because I found it on mine doesn't mean it happens to every prmiere cs3 install.

Thanks

Richard Wakefield · June 16th, 2008, 12:24 AM

Marty, thanks for your comments and suggestions...i'm afraid i have nothing to contribute to this, but am about to make a jump to quad core (from dual) so all of this input is helpful.

also, how much would you say having one aids the actual editing of HD...i.e. HD clips start to stutter when I run 2 or 3 effects...how about with a quad core?

Mitchell Skurnik · June 16th, 2008, 08:38 AM

I really cant comment. I have been running 2 Dual core opterons now for 3 years...

Douglas Thigpen · June 24th, 2008, 01:04 PM

I don't have this problem when deinterlacing on my quad core. I do, however, only have one core used when I'm doing noise reduction through adobe media encoder (I wish they'd just implement it as a plug-in for finer control).

Marty Hudzik · June 25th, 2008, 06:20 AM

Make sure we are talking about the same deinterlacing control here. I am not referring to the one that you acces from the timeline and apply to individual clips. I am referring to an option in the Adobe Media Encoder itself that is on the "output" screen. For some reason when I choose a 24P HDV template to work from, this check box is on by default and is on a screen that is behind the source screen. Why would I want to deinterlace 24P to output anyway? Regardless, if I miss this (which I have done many times accidentally) my renders to mpg2 HD are 3 to 5 times longer to output and the resulting file is lower res as a result. Also only one core seems to carry the load explaining the excessive render times.

If I uncheck this option then I see all 4 cores jump in, virtually 100% usage and the render is done in record time.

So please make sure when testing this that you are using the deinterlace option in Adobe Media Encoder....not deinterlace on the timeline.

Peace.

Mitchell Skurnik · June 25th, 2008, 09:23 AM

You could always export an uncompressed movie (File>Export>Movie) then use windows media encoder to compress it. That program will use up all of your cores :).

Marty Hudzik · June 25th, 2008, 10:06 AM

If I don't choose deinterlace then all of my cores are in use anyway! Remember in my case, de-interlace was checked by accident (or as a default that I didn't want anyway).

Also, exporting uncompressed 1080P HD footage is a pain because of the excessive storage for me.

Peace.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchell Skurnik

You could always export an uncompressed movie (File>Export>Movie) then use windows media encoder to compress it. That program will use up all of your cores :).

June 12th, 2008, 08:46 PM	#1
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Premiere CS3 and quad core rendering? I have had a quad core and CS3 for almost a year and the increase in rendering speed has been great when using the Adobe media encoder. All 4 cores are always cranking and cutting render times compared to my work dual core almost in half. Tonight, I loaded up an HD project that is in Canon 24f and I am converting it to 16x9 SD DVD mpg at 8mbps. It is only 10 minutes long and is taking 25+ minutes to render, and when I look at the processors it is only using 25%! What is up all of a sudden? 2 things that might have changed since I last noticed all 4 cores getting utilized. Adobe pushed out a Premiere update adding Sony Xdcam EX support (3.0.2??) Microsoft pushed out SP3. Is possible one of these has caused issues with threading across 4 cores? Heck.....at 25% I am really only using 1 core. This stinks if I have somehow lost the benefits of quad processing. Thanks.

June 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM	#3
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	Do you have all the recent updates from Adobe? __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

June 16th, 2008, 08:38 AM	#8
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	I really cant comment. I have been running 2 Dual core opterons now for 3 years... __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

June 24th, 2008, 01:04 PM	#9
Douglas Thigpen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego, CA / Apex, NC Posts: 81	I don't have this problem when deinterlacing on my quad core. I do, however, only have one core used when I'm doing noise reduction through adobe media encoder (I wish they'd just implement it as a plug-in for finer control). __________________ Douglas Thigpen http://www.dthigpen.com/ - http://www.nicetryproductions.com/

June 25th, 2008, 09:23 AM	#11
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	You could always export an uncompressed movie (File>Export>Movie) then use windows media encoder to compress it. That program will use up all of your cores :). __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

June 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM	#2
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	I may have stumbled onto something. When I create a new project using the Adobe HDV-1080-24p preset and import the same clips into my timeline, I get amazing render speeds! The thing cooks and rendered 1 minute of the timeline to an mpg in about 20 seconds or so. At that rate the entire 10 minutes would render in 3.5 minutes vs. 25 minutes in the original project. I had downloaded the Adobe presets for Canon HDV 24f that were designed for PPRO2, but they worked great before. Now it seems they may be problematic in CS# with the latest updates form Adobe which included a new preset to take the place of the PPRO2 canon presets. I will post if I see anything else interesting here.

June 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#4
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	I feel like I am talking to myself but here is another bit of useful information. The issue is caused by "de-interlacing" being checked in the output box of Adobe Media Encoder. This is tunred on by default and it somehow causes your render to be single core threaded. Weird? I had noticed this glitch in CS3 where most of the mpg presets have deinterlace checked by default which essentially halves your resolution when outputting to Blu-ray....but I never noticed this issue with only using a single core. Good LUck....hopefully I Will spare some of you running into these issues. Out!

June 15th, 2008, 07:06 AM	#5
Eric Shepherd Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 404	Wow, so the de-interlacing is single-core aware? That seems like a bit of a problem on their end! Thanks for the info, I have a Q6600 and I've noticed the media encoder is pretty slow here when I've used it recently, and CPU usage hovers between 24 and 26%. I'll try unchecking that box, since all my footage is progressive, with rare exceptions. Thanks! Eric

June 15th, 2008, 09:10 PM	#6
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	eric, Any luck verifying this? Just because I found it on mine doesn't mean it happens to every prmiere cs3 install. Thanks

June 16th, 2008, 12:24 AM	#7
Richard Wakefield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 680	Marty, thanks for your comments and suggestions...i'm afraid i have nothing to contribute to this, but am about to make a jump to quad core (from dual) so all of this input is helpful. also, how much would you say having one aids the actual editing of HD...i.e. HD clips start to stutter when I run 2 or 3 effects...how about with a quad core?

June 25th, 2008, 06:20 AM	#10
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Make sure we are talking about the same deinterlacing control here. I am not referring to the one that you acces from the timeline and apply to individual clips. I am referring to an option in the Adobe Media Encoder itself that is on the "output" screen. For some reason when I choose a 24P HDV template to work from, this check box is on by default and is on a screen that is behind the source screen. Why would I want to deinterlace 24P to output anyway? Regardless, if I miss this (which I have done many times accidentally) my renders to mpg2 HD are 3 to 5 times longer to output and the resulting file is lower res as a result. Also only one core seems to carry the load explaining the excessive render times. If I uncheck this option then I see all 4 cores jump in, virtually 100% usage and the render is done in record time. So please make sure when testing this that you are using the deinterlace option in Adobe Media Encoder....not deinterlace on the timeline. Peace.