Stumped on exporting filmstrips from Premiere and reimporting them...

Hans Henrik Bang · July 29th, 2003, 03:29 PM

Hmm. Tried exporting it directly from Premiere to an .avi using DV compression. I figured I could then use the .avi clip instead of the huge .flm clip.

The saved .avi shows the same bands however. It seems that sending the movie through the video server, apparantly cures the problem in the final result. Still have no clue what is going on...

Hans Henrik

K. Forman · July 29th, 2003, 05:12 PM

I still say you are seeing interlacing. Either that, or it is just a "quick" preview, not a finished view.

Hans Henrik Bang · July 30th, 2003, 02:13 AM

Thanks for the reply Keith

As for the preview it is quite "finished". Even if select "print to video" and view it in fullscreen, the same banding effect is there.

I am not quite sure what you mean that I am seeing interlace. Any idea of some test I could do to see whether this is interlace related?

To better show what it looks like in motion, I put an .avi illustrating the effect here:

http://home7.inet.tele.dk/hhb/redtest/pettertest.avi

Sorry it's a bit large. 8 megs or so, but would rather not introduce other compression than DV in order to keep things simple.

Hans Henrik

Ed Smith · July 30th, 2003, 12:58 PM

This is extremely strange.

I think if it was an interlace issue, you would not see black bars a couple of pixels think. That sort of thing is only seen when you are doing a quick pan/ tilt.

Thanks for the great pictures and video that show the problem.

Ed

Hans Henrik Bang · July 31st, 2003, 05:32 AM

Hmmm. Maybe I should consider upgrading to Premiere Pro when that comes out, and see if that solves the problem.

Apart from that, I am pretty much out of ideas about how to try to solve this.

Hans Henrik

Bogdan Vaglarov · July 31st, 2003, 08:26 AM

Hi Hans,
Hope nobody laughs at me but want to point something.

On you first jpeg with the black screen on right I saw you are running Interent connection. There were some information at other forums/treads this might lead to problems whil doing export to tape in Vegas for example.

Try the hole process free of unneccessary opened software.

K. Forman · July 31st, 2003, 09:15 AM

Actually, you have a very valid point. While it is unlikely the culprit, it isn't to be laughed at. Sometimes it is the silliest stuff that gets you.

Hans Henrik Bang · July 31st, 2003, 09:15 AM

Bogdan, I certainly will not laugh at you... At this point I am ready to try the export at midnight during full moon, swinging a dead chicken over my head, if I thought that would help :)

The suggestion was a good one, unfortunately it didn't help. I yanked out the network, shutdown any unneeded applications and retried it. Still same result...

Hmm. Maybe that chicken.....

Hans Henrik

K. Forman · July 31st, 2003, 10:04 AM

Just keep in mind, for the chicken thing to work, you can't just pick up a frozen bird at the grocers :)

Hans Henrik Bang · September 2nd, 2003, 06:55 AM

PROBLEM SOLVED!

Just a follow up from this problem that I never really figured out.

The problem disappears if I use Premiere Pro in stead of Premiere 6.02.

Cannot really say what the problem was, but since it belongs to an old version of Premiere I will think of it no more.

Besides, I decided that using "lightning" effect in AE is about 10% of the work of rotoscoping i Photoshop. It looks a little bit better with manual rotoscope, but not really enough to justify the many many hours.

Thanks for all the input from you.

Ed Smith · September 2nd, 2003, 10:05 AM

Hans,

Glad to hear that you have sovlved the problem. Thats probably the reason why I could not re-create it in P6.5????

I'm thinking of buying Premiere Pro (video collection edition with AE, Encore etc) what have you found good about it, can you tell me more?

Cheers,

Ed

Hans Henrik Bang · September 2nd, 2003, 02:12 PM

Yes maybe 6.5 would have solved it too.

I figure that perhaps 6.02 was too old and got a bit confused by my new XP PRO and P4 with hyperthreading and "800 MHz" FSB. There might have been some timing problem that never occurred on hardware back in the 6.02 days.

Cannot tell you much about Pro yet. Just did that one test and haven't had time for much else. Interface looks a bit more spiffy though, but you should probably go look in the dedicated thread for Pro opinions better than mine.

Hans Henrik

July 30th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#19
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	This is extremely strange. I think if it was an interlace issue, you would not see black bars a couple of pixels think. That sort of thing is only seen when you are doing a quick pan/ tilt. Thanks for the great pictures and video that show the problem. Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

September 2nd, 2003, 10:05 AM	#26
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hans, Glad to hear that you have sovlved the problem. Thats probably the reason why I could not re-create it in P6.5???? I'm thinking of buying Premiere Pro (video collection edition with AE, Encore etc) what have you found good about it, can you tell me more? Cheers, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

July 29th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#16
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	Hmm. Tried exporting it directly from Premiere to an .avi using DV compression. I figured I could then use the .avi clip instead of the huge .flm clip. The saved .avi shows the same bands however. It seems that sending the movie through the video server, apparantly cures the problem in the final result. Still have no clue what is going on... Hans Henrik

July 29th, 2003, 05:12 PM	#17
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I still say you are seeing interlacing. Either that, or it is just a "quick" preview, not a finished view.

July 30th, 2003, 02:13 AM	#18
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	Thanks for the reply Keith As for the preview it is quite "finished". Even if select "print to video" and view it in fullscreen, the same banding effect is there. I am not quite sure what you mean that I am seeing interlace. Any idea of some test I could do to see whether this is interlace related? To better show what it looks like in motion, I put an .avi illustrating the effect here: http://home7.inet.tele.dk/hhb/redtest/pettertest.avi Sorry it's a bit large. 8 megs or so, but would rather not introduce other compression than DV in order to keep things simple. Hans Henrik

July 31st, 2003, 05:32 AM	#20
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	Hmmm. Maybe I should consider upgrading to Premiere Pro when that comes out, and see if that solves the problem. Apart from that, I am pretty much out of ideas about how to try to solve this. Hans Henrik

July 31st, 2003, 08:26 AM	#21
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Hi Hans, Hope nobody laughs at me but want to point something. On you first jpeg with the black screen on right I saw you are running Interent connection. There were some information at other forums/treads this might lead to problems whil doing export to tape in Vegas for example. Try the hole process free of unneccessary opened software.

July 31st, 2003, 09:15 AM	#22
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Actually, you have a very valid point. While it is unlikely the culprit, it isn't to be laughed at. Sometimes it is the silliest stuff that gets you.

July 31st, 2003, 10:04 AM	#24
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Just keep in mind, for the chicken thing to work, you can't just pick up a frozen bird at the grocers :)

September 2nd, 2003, 06:55 AM	#25
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	PROBLEM SOLVED! Just a follow up from this problem that I never really figured out. The problem disappears if I use Premiere Pro in stead of Premiere 6.02. Cannot really say what the problem was, but since it belongs to an old version of Premiere I will think of it no more. Besides, I decided that using "lightning" effect in AE is about 10% of the work of rotoscoping i Photoshop. It looks a little bit better with manual rotoscope, but not really enough to justify the many many hours. Thanks for all the input from you.

September 2nd, 2003, 02:12 PM	#27
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	Yes maybe 6.5 would have solved it too. I figure that perhaps 6.02 was too old and got a bit confused by my new XP PRO and P4 with hyperthreading and "800 MHz" FSB. There might have been some timing problem that never occurred on hardware back in the 6.02 days. Cannot tell you much about Pro yet. Just did that one test and haven't had time for much else. Interface looks a bit more spiffy though, but you should probably go look in the dedicated thread for Pro opinions better than mine. Hans Henrik