Premiere CS3 - Presets for XHA1?

[Denny Kyser]

I don't see a preset for captureing 24f video or 30f in HDV with Premier Pro CS3.

Can anyone expalin how to set up a Custom to capture these to frame rates or how to get some presets that will work.

Denny

[Tyson Persall]

In premiere 2 you could download Editing presets for Canon XHA1 or XLH1 cameras that listed frame modes F24 or F30... but in premiere CS3 i don't see these presets? - Are they not a native part of CS3 version? I have noticed in PremCS3, you have HDV presets for 1080p, and if you go to Custom you can select 23.976fps frame rate... which i guess maybe thats what i need for the canon XHA1???

I looked for downloads but the canon modes are only listed for Premiere 2.0... See here:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...atform=Windows

And also, apparently export to tape cannot be used for these canon cameras? Bo-hoo... :(

http://www.adobe.com/products/premie...0this%20camera

[Tyson Persall]

Basicly i'm trying to ask if i should install the presets for Canon HDV into premiere CS3 folders - or will this mess anything up since these presets are made for premiere 2.0 ???

[Daniel Browning]

It comes with a HDV 1080p30 preset. Making your own 1080p24 preset takes just a few seconds.

[Ryan Postel]

The presets made for CS2.0 don't mess up anything for CS3, to answer your question.

[Scott Gold]

Have you guys downloaded the 2.0 preset and got it to work in CS3?
I tried and it did not work. I do not see any Canon presets in my new project window.

If you did get them to work and you created a project and then captured footage, does the captured footage need to be rendered in the timeline (red line above it)?

Scott

[Daniel Browning]

Originally Posted by Scott Gold

Have you guys downloaded the 2.0 preset and got it to work in CS3?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Scott Gold

If you did get them to work and you created a project and then captured footage, does the captured footage need to be rendered in the timeline (red line above it)?
Scott

I have not captured footage with Adobe, but when I import 30F footage that was captured with HDVSplit, it *does* have the red line above it. That's true for both the Canon HDV 30F preset as well as the HDV 30p that ships with it. The performance is real-time in either case.

[Taky Cheung]

Originally Posted by Daniel Browning

It comes with a HDV 1080p30 preset. Making your own 1080p24 preset takes just a few seconds.

Take a look at this link

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6075

Someone found noticeably quality loss working on 24p footage. Later on, it was because he didn't use the 24F preset download but modifying the HDV 60i preset.

[Daniel Browning]

Originally Posted by Taky Cheung

Take a look at this link

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6075

Someone found noticeably quality loss working on 24p footage. Later on, it was because he didn't use the 24F preset download but modifying the HDV 60i preset.

There is misinformation in the link you posted. He states that the quality setting of the program monitor affects the output quality; it doesn't. The rest of his post is only about one small part of Premier Pro, the Adobe Media Encoder. His problems certainly do not exist in the normal Premier Pro export feature when using the 30p preset.

[Taky Cheung]

If you read closely the thread, you will see the OP has video quality issue. His original conclusion was stating the preview window quality setting has effect on final output. That was wrong. He indicated he modifed the 30p preset to 23.976fps. Here's a quote from post #15

"I create a 24p timeline by customizing a 30p HDV preset, changing the frame rate to 23.97p. I make sure I check off 'frame blend' "

Then I told him to try download to use the Canon 24F preset from adobe.com. That fixed his problem.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?p=50529#post50529

If you continue to read that thread, 2 more premiere users also fixed other issues by using the 24F preset. So the other user poster this thread

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=7534

btw, someone also try the preset for Mac CS3. it works too.

[Scott Gold]

Ok, I got the PP2.0 presets to work in CS3. The only problem is that when I drag clips to the timeline they need to be rendered (they have the red line above them).

This does not happen with PP 2.0.

If you are using the CS3 and the Canon HDV preset, do you have the same problem as me?

[Daniel Browning]

Originally Posted by Taky Cheung

If you read closely the thread, you will see the OP has video quality issue.

Sorry, you're right. I only read the first page. I'm glad that it's helping people, but when I compare the uncompressed output of CS3 with the Canon HDV 30F and the Adobe 30p presets against the original files, I don't see the quality issues that were indicated in the thread. Perhaps it's only for 24F.

[Scott Gold]

I just shot about 10 minutes of HD 24F footage with my XH-A1.

I opened PP 2.0 and captured the footage with the PP 2.0 Canon 24F preset. I dragged it to the timeline. I can play the footage with no need to render.

I then opened Premiere CS3 and captured the same footage with the PP 2.0 Canon 24F preset. I dragged it to the timeline. I get a red bar above the footage telling me I need to render the footage.

It looks like CS3 even with the presets doesn't understand the footage like PP2.0.

Question: People that are using CS3, does this happen to you as well?
Have you done anything to correct this issue?

Scott

[Ryan Postel]

Scott,

As Daniel answered earlier, yes, the red bar does appear over the timeline and it does have to be rendered. Possibly because it was originally intended for PPro 2.0? Adobe should get on this.

But it still produces a viable way to edit 24F and 30F in CS3. It hasn't effected me negatively yet and because of the integration with the other programs in the production suite, CS3 is still faster for me than 2.0.

[Taky Cheung]

I don't think the RED bar matters much in CS3 for HDV editing. Unlike DV AVI editing, CS3 will render .mpeg anyway even if no effect is applied to the clip.