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Alessandro Garabaghi · December 1st, 2007, 11:45 PM

Ehh I dunno... you guys tell me... opinions?

Is it trash? Is there something im doing wrong? Open to harsh critisism ...

Thanks...

http://web.rollins.edu/~agarabaghi/m...7;20nature.mp4

Right click > Save File As

(H.264 ~42megs, ~2:00mins)

Michael Wisniewski · December 2nd, 2007, 12:34 AM

Not really sure what you were trying to do.

You're basic video technique looks fine. It comes across with a very smooth relaxed style. As a "pretty" video piece, I liked the flourish of the skateboarder at the end.

But are you trying to say anything with the video? Part of the grammar of video/film is to put two shots together to create a third meaning. I felt this piece was just a stylish video "slideshow".

Out of 10, I'd give it a 6.0 for style, and a 1.0 for content/story.

Danny Hensley · December 2nd, 2007, 03:28 AM

I too noticed the slide show feel but i am pretty sure you were just trying to do anyways, just put a bunch of cool stuff together.

(Keep in mind that some of these criticisms could be applied to me as well)

-first thing I noticed was the extremely odd audio transition at the 42 second mark. I guess it just didn't make any sense to me.
-I think one big thing I look forward to in the future is a 35mm adapter. As a result I tried to simulate some sort of DOF lookalike shot just as you have by placing something in the right or left third. to be honest: It got repetitive quick. In my opinion, there is more to a good shot then depth of field. In fact I think a shallow depth of field is only an enhancement but not the core of what makes a good shot. I guess that is something I am learning.
-duck shots were a little boring

I guess it is kind of hard to critique everything because there is no central purpose, too general.

By the way, what were your compression settings?

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 2nd, 2007, 01:39 PM

Thanks guys.

Yea it was just a compilation of video clips that i though were good. No real purpose for the film, i was mainly working on pans, zoom, and colors. The only way I know how to get better with the camera is by filming as much as possible, which is why I have so many random shots. There was not suppose to be a story line at all, or really anything but a "slide show" of clips.

My main goals were:

- Working with the VividRGB preset and seeing how the colors came out?
- Any opinions on this?

- Playing around with my new LS22(2A) tripod and zoom controller and working on getting the camera balanced properly on the head.

- And compressing it down so its downloadable on the internet...

My compression settings are:

H.264
3mbit target and 3mbit max bitrate
480 x 270 resoultion
16:9 aspect ration

Audio is AAC, 48hz

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 4th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Here is a higher quality, and slightly bigger file version of it...

720p .wmv compression

http://www.simplethoughtproductions....ial_nature.wmv

Steve Jakubowski · December 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM

Alessandro,

I have no critisism for you, only praise as I am just a beginner in this field and I would appreciate greatly if you could share your settings and work flow for acheiving your footage output in the .wmv format above. I have been trying to make video half that good for months.

You mentioned the h.264 for the web, what is a good player to view these clips.

I am assuming you are using XHA1 as I am also.

Cheers

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 13th, 2007, 12:16 PM

The 1st clip which was a .mp4 was 3mbit H.264 codec from Adobe.
The .mp4 was:
Format: H.264
Range: Work Area
Preset: Custom

TV Standard: NTSC
Frame Width: 480
Frame Height: 270
Frame Rate: 29.97
Feild Order: None
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 2.21:1 (i think thats wrong black boared on the sides)
Profile: Main
Level: 4.2

Bitrate Encoding: VBR 2pass
Target: 3
Max: 3

My work flow, was... import footage into premiere, cut and add music. Export with those settings... lemme know if u have any other questions.

The .wmv was:
Format: Windows media
Range: Work Area
Preset: Selected HDTV 720p 25 High Quality

Frame Width: 1,280
Frame Height: 720
Frame Rate: Same as Source
Pixel Aspect Raio: Square Pixels (1.0)

Decoder Complexity: Auto
Keyframe interval: 4
Buffer Size: Default
Average Biterate: 3
Target Bitrate: 3
Bugger Size: 5

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 13th, 2007, 12:17 PM

oh yea,

Canon XH A1 + VividRGB + Libec tripod

Stefano Scavitto · December 14th, 2007, 06:41 AM

Hi Alessandro,
are you italian?

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM

I sure am.

My mom was born in montoggio outside of genova. My cousins and aunt live outside of Bolognia. We usually visit once of twice a year, this year i got jibbed and the parents went with outh me.

I was living in Genova two summers back working for Costa Cruise Lines, and visit Milano several times, and stay with my family's friends (Zecca's) and watch the F1 race at Monza.

Steve Jakubowski · December 15th, 2007, 02:27 PM

Alessandro,

"Preset: Selected HDTV 720p 25 High Quality"

I am assuming this means you are shooting in 25f PAL.

"Decoder Complexity: Auto
Keyframe interval: 4
Buffer Size: Default
Average Biterate: 3
Target Bitrate: 3
Bugger Size: 5"

Is the *3* bitrate above referring to 3,000?

Are you using special software like Cineform to capture your footage from the camera?

I'm sure alot of the difference between your results and mine are the source footage, (yours good, mine bad) so I will just keep experimenting as I continue to read what the pro's are saying to each other in this forum. Thanks for the help.

Anyone,

I wonder why there are no preset compressions for 30p in Premier pro, only 24 & 25. Are these somehow better or just more commonly used for HD?

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 16th, 2007, 03:39 PM

no , i was shooting at 1080i 60i, but i selected the 25, and then change the fps to match...

Steve Jakubowski · December 16th, 2007, 04:12 PM

Is that better for you than just shooting 24p (or 25p)? If so why?

Are you using special software like Cineform to capture your footage from the camera?

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 17th, 2007, 10:01 AM

well the footage in this was all stills with zooms and slow pans, so im sure 24f might have looked slightly better, but the rest of the stuff i show is usually high speed sports (www.wakevids.com) so 60i works better for me.

No i just import into adobe premiere cs3 and work in there then export from there.

Alessandro Garabaghi · December 17th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Ive notice that when I slow down some of my footage it looks fine in the preview window of adobe premiere cs3 it looks fine, but when i export using the H.264 it slightly loose quality...

You can really notice it after the shot of the kid on the back of the boat putting on his life jacket, as he starts to edge into the wake, and then it clears up as the clip goes back to real time when he hits the wake...
http://wakevids.com/?v=001.mp4

any ideas?

My export settings are

H.264 / 16:9 / 3mbit target / 3mbit max. / 4.2 level

December 1st, 2007, 11:45 PM	#1
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	What is wrong? Ehh I dunno... you guys tell me... opinions? Is it trash? Is there something im doing wrong? Open to harsh critisism ... Thanks... http://web.rollins.edu/~agarabaghi/m...7;20nature.mp4 Right click > Save File As (H.264 ~42megs, ~2:00mins)

December 2nd, 2007, 12:34 AM	#2
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Not really sure what you were trying to do. You're basic video technique looks fine. It comes across with a very smooth relaxed style. As a "pretty" video piece, I liked the flourish of the skateboarder at the end. But are you trying to say anything with the video? Part of the grammar of video/film is to put two shots together to create a third meaning. I felt this piece was just a stylish video "slideshow". Out of 10, I'd give it a 6.0 for style, and a 1.0 for content/story. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

December 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM	#6
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Nature Footage Alessandro, I have no critisism for you, only praise as I am just a beginner in this field and I would appreciate greatly if you could share your settings and work flow for acheiving your footage output in the .wmv format above. I have been trying to make video half that good for months. You mentioned the h.264 for the web, what is a good player to view these clips. I am assuming you are using XHA1 as I am also. Cheers Last edited by Steve Jakubowski; December 13th, 2007 at 11:36 AM. Reason: I referenced a clip "below" that was actually "above"

December 14th, 2007, 06:41 AM	#9
Stefano Scavitto Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 1	Hi Alessandro, are you italian? __________________ My Cam: Canon XH-A1 \| My editing system: iMac 20" Alluminium 4Gb Ram F.C.P.

December 17th, 2007, 10:39 AM	#15
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	Slowing Down Questions? Ive notice that when I slow down some of my footage it looks fine in the preview window of adobe premiere cs3 it looks fine, but when i export using the H.264 it slightly loose quality... You can really notice it after the shot of the kid on the back of the boat putting on his life jacket, as he starts to edge into the wake, and then it clears up as the clip goes back to real time when he hits the wake... http://wakevids.com/?v=001.mp4 any ideas? My export settings are H.264 / 16:9 / 3mbit target / 3mbit max. / 4.2 level

December 2nd, 2007, 03:28 AM	#3
Danny Hensley New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 8	I too noticed the slide show feel but i am pretty sure you were just trying to do anyways, just put a bunch of cool stuff together. (Keep in mind that some of these criticisms could be applied to me as well) -first thing I noticed was the extremely odd audio transition at the 42 second mark. I guess it just didn't make any sense to me. -I think one big thing I look forward to in the future is a 35mm adapter. As a result I tried to simulate some sort of DOF lookalike shot just as you have by placing something in the right or left third. to be honest: It got repetitive quick. In my opinion, there is more to a good shot then depth of field. In fact I think a shallow depth of field is only an enhancement but not the core of what makes a good shot. I guess that is something I am learning. -duck shots were a little boring I guess it is kind of hard to critique everything because there is no central purpose, too general. By the way, what were your compression settings?

December 2nd, 2007, 01:39 PM	#4
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	Thanks guys. Yea it was just a compilation of video clips that i though were good. No real purpose for the film, i was mainly working on pans, zoom, and colors. The only way I know how to get better with the camera is by filming as much as possible, which is why I have so many random shots. There was not suppose to be a story line at all, or really anything but a "slide show" of clips. My main goals were: - Working with the VividRGB preset and seeing how the colors came out? - Any opinions on this? - Playing around with my new LS22(2A) tripod and zoom controller and working on getting the camera balanced properly on the head. - And compressing it down so its downloadable on the internet... My compression settings are: H.264 3mbit target and 3mbit max bitrate 480 x 270 resoultion 16:9 aspect ration Audio is AAC, 48hz

December 4th, 2007, 04:03 PM	#5
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	Here is a higher quality, and slightly bigger file version of it... 720p .wmv compression http://www.simplethoughtproductions....ial_nature.wmv

December 13th, 2007, 12:16 PM	#7
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	The 1st clip which was a .mp4 was 3mbit H.264 codec from Adobe. The .mp4 was: Format: H.264 Range: Work Area Preset: Custom TV Standard: NTSC Frame Width: 480 Frame Height: 270 Frame Rate: 29.97 Feild Order: None Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 2.21:1 (i think thats wrong black boared on the sides) Profile: Main Level: 4.2 Bitrate Encoding: VBR 2pass Target: 3 Max: 3 My work flow, was... import footage into premiere, cut and add music. Export with those settings... lemme know if u have any other questions. The .wmv was: Format: Windows media Range: Work Area Preset: Selected HDTV 720p 25 High Quality Frame Width: 1,280 Frame Height: 720 Frame Rate: Same as Source Pixel Aspect Raio: Square Pixels (1.0) Decoder Complexity: Auto Keyframe interval: 4 Buffer Size: Default Average Biterate: 3 Target Bitrate: 3 Bugger Size: 5

December 13th, 2007, 12:17 PM	#8
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	oh yea, Canon XH A1 + VividRGB + Libec tripod

December 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM	#10
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	I sure am. My mom was born in montoggio outside of genova. My cousins and aunt live outside of Bolognia. We usually visit once of twice a year, this year i got jibbed and the parents went with outh me. I was living in Genova two summers back working for Costa Cruise Lines, and visit Milano several times, and stay with my family's friends (Zecca's) and watch the F1 race at Monza.

December 15th, 2007, 02:27 PM	#11
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Alessandro, "Preset: Selected HDTV 720p 25 High Quality" I am assuming this means you are shooting in 25f PAL. "Decoder Complexity: Auto Keyframe interval: 4 Buffer Size: Default Average Biterate: 3 Target Bitrate: 3 Bugger Size: 5" Is the 3 bitrate above referring to 3,000? Are you using special software like Cineform to capture your footage from the camera? I'm sure alot of the difference between your results and mine are the source footage, (yours good, mine bad) so I will just keep experimenting as I continue to read what the pro's are saying to each other in this forum. Thanks for the help. Anyone, I wonder why there are no preset compressions for 30p in Premier pro, only 24 & 25. Are these somehow better or just more commonly used for HD?

December 16th, 2007, 03:39 PM	#12
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	no , i was shooting at 1080i 60i, but i selected the 25, and then change the fps to match...

December 16th, 2007, 04:12 PM	#13
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Is that better for you than just shooting 24p (or 25p)? If so why? Are you using special software like Cineform to capture your footage from the camera?

December 17th, 2007, 10:01 AM	#14
Alessandro Garabaghi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 132	well the footage in this was all stills with zooms and slow pans, so im sure 24f might have looked slightly better, but the rest of the stuff i show is usually high speed sports (www.wakevids.com) so 60i works better for me. No i just import into adobe premiere cs3 and work in there then export from there.