Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? at DVinfo.net

Charles Wing · July 14th, 2013, 01:06 PM

Hi all, I am considering upgrading to Premiere 6 because, according to this .pdf, it can work natively with the MVC files of my new JVC HMZ1 camera, as well as with Cineform.

http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Ado...6-jvcprohd.pdf

It's exciting news if that's the case. I use JVC's onboard splitter utility but the files are HUGE and then I have to do a few steps to get those huge files into Cineform/GoPro. (Tell me if I'm crazy: ReMaster won't open the huge uncompressed .mov files from the splitter utilty, so first I have to open the left and right .mov files in QT 7, export as ProRes, then get them into First Light. Once they are Cineform 3D files I then open those files in GoPro.)

Anyway, I have scoured the web and can't find any evidence of folks using Premiere 6 (per the .pdf above) with their HMZ1. What is the workflow in Premiere? I'm an FCP 7 guy for years. Does Adobe Media Encoder address the stereoscopic MVC issue? Can I encode in AME and then work in FCP 7 via Cineform?

THANKS to one and all for any information!

Tim Dashwood · July 14th, 2013, 08:53 PM

Can you please point to the page where it says Premiere Pro can work natively with MVC? I can't find it. As far as I know Adobe's "native" support of MVC only applies to license holders of GoPro Cineform Studio Premium software ($299) who use the Cineform codec.

When I have worked with HMZ1 footage in Premiere Pro I simply extracted the MVC files into new "compressed" files using JVC's 3D to LR Converter app and then imported directly into PP CS6 (or CC.) It doesn't actually re-compress the video when using 'compressed' mode, but instead extracts the existing H264 stream for the left eye and rebuilds the H264 of the right eye.

Last year I upgraded both versions of Stereo3D Toolbox to work with Premiere Pro CS6 and CC. I haven't widely publicized Premiere Pro compatibility because there is still a tiny bug with on-screen controls we are waiting for Adobe to address. However, the functionality and workflow are exactly the same as Final Cut Pro 7. Stereo3D Toolbox v4 Guide | Help

Pete Bauer · July 15th, 2013, 05:23 AM

Hey Tim,

You're correct. About 2/3 of the way down on page 7 of the document that Charles linked:

Quote:

The GY-HMZ1 shoots stereoscopic 3D Full HD 1920 x 1080 MVC/H.264 clips or 2D Full HD 1920 x 1080 clips recorded in AVCHD format. Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 offers world-class integration with GoPro Cineform Studio Premium software (available separately), enabling a robust stereoscopic 3D editing workflow.

Charles Wing · July 15th, 2013, 08:42 PM

Hi, Tim! It's on page 2 and page 7.

Page 2:

ProHD MOV and MP4 format support
Adobe Premiere Pro directly supports ProHD MOV, MP4, and AVCHD content from JVC cameras, which record at selectable data rates up to 35 Mbps for high-definition 1080p, 1080i and 720p in 4:2:2 color space at all popular frame rates. Over-cranking and under-cranking sequence recording from 10 to 60 frames in 720p is also possible with the GY-HM750 and GY-HM790, while the GY-HMZ1 shoots stereoscopic 3D Full HD 1920 x 1080 MVC/H.264 clips or 2D Full HD 1920 x 1080 AVCHD clips.

Page 7:

The GY-HMZ1 shoots stereoscopic 3D Full HD 1920 x 1080 MVC/H.264 clips or 2D Full HD 1920 x 1080 clips recorded in AVCHD format. Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 offers world-class integration with GoPro Cineform Studio Premium software (available separately), enabling a robust stereoscopic 3D editing workflow.

If it DEPENDS on owning Cineform, these are misleading snippets.

In any case, I own Cineform, a wonderful but buggy program for a Mac user.

So... we can all read .pdfs. Anyone actually use PP 6 for this purpose?

Thanks, y'all!

Charles

David M. Cole · July 16th, 2013, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Wing

Anyone actually use PP 6 for this purpose?

Neither Premiere Pro 6 or CC support MVC files. Unfortunately, the Mac versions of GoPro Studio Pro / Premium do not either. Only the PC versions of GoPro Studio offer MVC decoding at this time.

In fact, there really isn't a non-PC route to ingesting MVC at the moment. There are several PC paths, including using the utility included with most MVC-based cameras to split the streams (many have been discussed in this forum). It is possible to use Parallels or Bootcamp to run one of the PC MVC ingest options.

I work with MVC footage from Sony and Panasonic cameras very often - and use GoPro Studio Pro PC to ingest the footage into Cineform FilmScan1 3D Muxed format. Works for me.

Charles Wing · July 16th, 2013, 03:23 PM

The JVC utility that Tim mentioned will have to do, then! Once the clips are split L and R, all is golden.

I confess to being confused by the Premier .pdf linked above.

David M. Cole · July 17th, 2013, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

...I haven't widely publicized Premiere Pro compatibility...

I use your Stereo3DToolbox with Premiere and After Effects all the time... in fact, I'm using it right now :-)

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but, I'm SO happy to see you continuing to advance your stereo products. With the bloom off the rose on 3DTV, I live in fear of these tools going stagnate and dying. As much as I complain, I do NOT want to go back to the old days having to "cheat" stereo into tools that are not designed for it.

Tim Dashwood · July 18th, 2013, 02:29 AM

We won't be dead-ending Stereo3D Toolbox or CAT anytime soon. As long as I need 3D production and post tools for myself I'll keep updating them.

It's tricky for a small company like mine to keep up to speed with new OS and app updates so we are a little slow but we do our best. I also have lots more new tools I've developed that I have yet to clean up and release as actual products.

Charles Wing · July 20th, 2013, 11:01 AM

Per your suggestion, Tim, I've split my last batch of HMZ1 footage into the less-large "compressed" versions and will be doing side-by-side comparison with the ungodly large uncompressed .movs.

Thanks for the info, y'all. Someone needs to spank the Premiere .pdf writer for misleading information.

Jim Michael · July 20th, 2013, 02:10 PM

Not sure if it helps, but the HMZ1 files are handled seamlessly in Edius 6.5. Videoguys had a competitive upgrade offer.

July 14th, 2013, 01:06 PM	#1
Charles Wing New Boot Join Date: May 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5	Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? Hi all, I am considering upgrading to Premiere 6 because, according to this .pdf, it can work natively with the MVC files of my new JVC HMZ1 camera, as well as with Cineform. http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Ado...6-jvcprohd.pdf It's exciting news if that's the case. I use JVC's onboard splitter utility but the files are HUGE and then I have to do a few steps to get those huge files into Cineform/GoPro. (Tell me if I'm crazy: ReMaster won't open the huge uncompressed .mov files from the splitter utilty, so first I have to open the left and right .mov files in QT 7, export as ProRes, then get them into First Light. Once they are Cineform 3D files I then open those files in GoPro.) Anyway, I have scoured the web and can't find any evidence of folks using Premiere 6 (per the .pdf above) with their HMZ1. What is the workflow in Premiere? I'm an FCP 7 guy for years. Does Adobe Media Encoder address the stereoscopic MVC issue? Can I encode in AME and then work in FCP 7 via Cineform? THANKS to one and all for any information!

July 14th, 2013, 08:53 PM	#2
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? Can you please point to the page where it says Premiere Pro can work natively with MVC? I can't find it. As far as I know Adobe's "native" support of MVC only applies to license holders of GoPro Cineform Studio Premium software ($299) who use the Cineform codec. When I have worked with HMZ1 footage in Premiere Pro I simply extracted the MVC files into new "compressed" files using JVC's 3D to LR Converter app and then imported directly into PP CS6 (or CC.) It doesn't actually re-compress the video when using 'compressed' mode, but instead extracts the existing H264 stream for the left eye and rebuilds the H264 of the right eye. Last year I upgraded both versions of Stereo3D Toolbox to work with Premiere Pro CS6 and CC. I haven't widely publicized Premiere Pro compatibility because there is still a tiny bug with on-screen controls we are waiting for Adobe to address. However, the functionality and workflow are exactly the same as Final Cut Pro 7. Stereo3D Toolbox v4 Guide \| Help __________________ Tim Dashwood

July 15th, 2013, 08:42 PM	#4
Charles Wing New Boot Join Date: May 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? Hi, Tim! It's on page 2 and page 7. Page 2: ProHD MOV and MP4 format support Adobe Premiere Pro directly supports ProHD MOV, MP4, and AVCHD content from JVC cameras, which record at selectable data rates up to 35 Mbps for high-definition 1080p, 1080i and 720p in 4:2:2 color space at all popular frame rates. Over-cranking and under-cranking sequence recording from 10 to 60 frames in 720p is also possible with the GY-HM750 and GY-HM790, while the GY-HMZ1 shoots stereoscopic 3D Full HD 1920 x 1080 MVC/H.264 clips or 2D Full HD 1920 x 1080 AVCHD clips. Page 7: The GY-HMZ1 shoots stereoscopic 3D Full HD 1920 x 1080 MVC/H.264 clips or 2D Full HD 1920 x 1080 clips recorded in AVCHD format. Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 offers world-class integration with GoPro Cineform Studio Premium software (available separately), enabling a robust stereoscopic 3D editing workflow. If it DEPENDS on owning Cineform, these are misleading snippets. In any case, I own Cineform, a wonderful but buggy program for a Mac user. So... we can all read .pdfs. Anyone actually use PP 6 for this purpose? Thanks, y'all! Charles

July 16th, 2013, 03:23 PM	#6
Charles Wing New Boot Join Date: May 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? The JVC utility that Tim mentioned will have to do, then! Once the clips are split L and R, all is golden. I confess to being confused by the Premier .pdf linked above.

July 18th, 2013, 02:29 AM	#8
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? We won't be dead-ending Stereo3D Toolbox or CAT anytime soon. As long as I need 3D production and post tools for myself I'll keep updating them. It's tricky for a small company like mine to keep up to speed with new OS and app updates so we are a little slow but we do our best. I also have lots more new tools I've developed that I have yet to clean up and release as actual products. __________________ Tim Dashwood

July 20th, 2013, 11:01 AM	#9
Charles Wing New Boot Join Date: May 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? Per your suggestion, Tim, I've split my last batch of HMZ1 footage into the less-large "compressed" versions and will be doing side-by-side comparison with the ungodly large uncompressed .movs. Thanks for the info, y'all. Someone needs to spank the Premiere .pdf writer for misleading information.

July 20th, 2013, 02:10 PM	#10
Jim Michael Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 895	Re: Anyone using Premiere 6 to edit HMZ1 footage? Not sure if it helps, but the HMZ1 files are handled seamlessly in Edius 6.5. Videoguys had a competitive upgrade offer.