First 3D Experience FullHD in Portugal

Giroud Francois · December 31st, 2008, 05:49 AM

it is probably more complex that this, because if you look the red shift at the door, it is not a simple shift. it looks more like a 3D shift.

Prech Marton · December 31st, 2008, 06:37 AM

what?
maybe i dont understand exactly, but this two pics seems to me a REAL stereo3d pic, taken from 2 different viewpoint.
edited: ah, so you talk about only the adjusting! yeah, maybe a 'simple' shift?

Marco Neiva · January 19th, 2009, 06:30 AM

Hi,

the corrected image is the second, for me the second image is more easy to see and work better when there is movement in the scene.

i d'ont know how the plug-in work, but i use the tools "InterocularShifter" and "ReConverge" to obtain this result.

see the attached picture:

thanks, Marco Neiva.

Marco Neiva · January 21st, 2009, 06:22 AM

In the process of adjustments/corrections in post in my 3D movie I had several problems with Nuke+Ocula.

1: I don’t have a supercomputer, the algorithms of Ocula need a lot of processing.
2: Nuke doesn’t allow to export for AVI files, only MOV with compression or sequence stills.

The solution was to use the After Effects, this software allow me to do some adjustments and view in live the 3D effect through the anaglyph. In the next days I will put the updated files with some improvements.

see the attached picture:

thanks, Marco Neiva

Alister Chapman · January 21st, 2009, 09:08 AM

Looks like you have some scaling or rotation issues in that image as the door at the rear of the room looks to be taller in one channel than the other. I find that it is difficult to get the rotational or roll alignment of the cameras perfect on my rigs. The error is most noticeable on wide shots. Fortunately it is a constant error so it's easy to fix in post with a simple adjustment to one channel.

I have a constant 0.5 degree roll error on my new rig, which may not sound like much but when you get strong horizontals such as the horizon or bricks the error really upsets the way the image fuses, more so than a slight scale error or excessive separation.

Marco Neiva · January 26th, 2009, 02:07 PM

Hi,

yes is true, the door at the rear of the room looks to be taller in one channel than the other, i think this is a issue caused by keystoning distortion, in my shots i used always convergence.

in this link explains this big problem:
RMM 3D Encyclopedia - Keystone / Convergence error

thanks, Marco Neiva - HyperCube Produções 3D.

Alister Chapman · January 26th, 2009, 02:49 PM

I don't think it's keystoning as it's not apparent in the corrected images you posted earlier. It just looks like a simple alignment error. Any keystone errors with a pair of close spaced side by side EX1's at that kind of distance would be minimal.

Marco Neiva · February 8th, 2009, 01:23 PM

Hi all,

finally I finished this 3D movie, in last weeks I have done some corrections in my movie "Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D".

- I removed all music with rights
- orthographic errors
- brightness match in two views (misalignment in light)
- convergence problems
- color corrections
- "text is shown it violates with the real scene" - fixed
- ... and others problems

you can see the new version here:

left file: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
right file: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

somebody see the improvements?

thanks, Marco Neiva.

Leo Zheng · February 8th, 2009, 06:23 PM

What kind of display and glasses can be used for the video? Can you record it on BD and play it back with a Blu-ray player?
Thanks.

Marco Neiva · February 9th, 2009, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo Zheng

What kind of display and glasses can be used for the video? Can you record it on BD and play it back with a Blu-ray player?
Thanks.

hi Leo,

no, you cannot use Blu-ray to view this file in 3D, you can view only in 2D.

to view this movie is necessary use a 3D display system with 3D glasses, Anaglyph, shutterglasses, polarizer glasses, etc.

To play this 3D movie file with two files you need software to combine them, for example: Stereoscopic Player: 3dtv.at

thanks, Marco Neiva

Marco Neiva · April 23rd, 2009, 12:49 PM

Hi all,

this year the NAB Show 2009 breathes 3D, and my 3d movie "Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D" it is in exhibition.

the Miranda Technologies is using my movie (and others like Skydiving Footage from Eric Deren - seen in the pictures) to demonstrate their 3D products, like "Kaleido-X16" and "stereo pair of JPEG2000 based media player".

thanks, Marco Neiva

Photos by Carlos A. Henriques

Al Caudullo · August 12th, 2009, 10:58 PM

Marco
Congrats! You should try this software for 3D. Spatial View SVI 3D Editor Plug-in for After Effects. You can download a free 14 day trial and they are running a summer special on the price, only $139 US.
SVI Stereo 3D Editor for Adobe® After Effects® - Spatial View Inc.

Marco Neiva · September 7th, 2009, 04:40 PM

Hi friends,

My 3D movie “Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D” can be seen on booth of Sisvel at IFA until September 9, Sisvel is a company that licenses MP3, DVB, teletext and many other patents and they are working with 3dswitch to license a technology 3DReady that identify 3D encoding type (side by side, top bottom etc) and when implemented in displays allows automatic detection of 3D mode and consequent conversion.

Pictures of the booth here:
Álbuns Web Picasa - Marco Neiva - Maravilhas 3D...

If you never seen the movie, you can download here:

Left File: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
Right File: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

Thanks, Marco Neiva.

December 31st, 2008, 06:37 AM	#17
Prech Marton Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: hungary Posts: 462	what? maybe i dont understand exactly, but this two pics seems to me a REAL stereo3d pic, taken from 2 different viewpoint. edited: ah, so you talk about only the adjusting! yeah, maybe a 'simple' shift? __________________ Relaxing clips with waterfalls and music, 3D photos, 3D videos: www.3d-video.hu

January 19th, 2009, 06:30 AM	#18
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	Hi, the corrected image is the second, for me the second image is more easy to see and work better when there is movement in the scene. i d'ont know how the plug-in work, but i use the tools "InterocularShifter" and "ReConverge" to obtain this result. see the attached picture: thanks, Marco Neiva. Attached Thumbnails

January 21st, 2009, 06:22 AM	#19
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	In the process of adjustments/corrections in post in my 3D movie I had several problems with Nuke+Ocula. 1: I don’t have a supercomputer, the algorithms of Ocula need a lot of processing. 2: Nuke doesn’t allow to export for AVI files, only MOV with compression or sequence stills. The solution was to use the After Effects, this software allow me to do some adjustments and view in live the 3D effect through the anaglyph. In the next days I will put the updated files with some improvements. see the attached picture: thanks, Marco Neiva Attached Thumbnails

January 21st, 2009, 09:08 AM	#20
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Looks like you have some scaling or rotation issues in that image as the door at the rear of the room looks to be taller in one channel than the other. I find that it is difficult to get the rotational or roll alignment of the cameras perfect on my rigs. The error is most noticeable on wide shots. Fortunately it is a constant error so it's easy to fix in post with a simple adjustment to one channel. I have a constant 0.5 degree roll error on my new rig, which may not sound like much but when you get strong horizontals such as the horizon or bricks the error really upsets the way the image fuses, more so than a slight scale error or excessive separation. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

January 26th, 2009, 02:07 PM	#21
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	Hi, yes is true, the door at the rear of the room looks to be taller in one channel than the other, i think this is a issue caused by keystoning distortion, in my shots i used always convergence. in this link explains this big problem: RMM 3D Encyclopedia - Keystone / Convergence error thanks, Marco Neiva - HyperCube Produções 3D. Attached Images

December 31st, 2008, 05:49 AM	#16
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	it is probably more complex that this, because if you look the red shift at the door, it is not a simple shift. it looks more like a 3D shift.

January 26th, 2009, 02:49 PM	#22
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	I don't think it's keystoning as it's not apparent in the corrected images you posted earlier. It just looks like a simple alignment error. Any keystone errors with a pair of close spaced side by side EX1's at that kind of distance would be minimal. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

February 8th, 2009, 01:23 PM	#23
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	new version with improvements Hi all, finally I finished this 3D movie, in last weeks I have done some corrections in my movie "Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D". - I removed all music with rights - orthographic errors - brightness match in two views (misalignment in light) - convergence problems - color corrections - "text is shown it violates with the real scene" - fixed - ... and others problems you can see the new version here: left file: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service right file: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service somebody see the improvements? thanks, Marco Neiva.

February 8th, 2009, 06:23 PM	#24
Leo Zheng Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 34	How did you show it? What kind of display and glasses can be used for the video? Can you record it on BD and play it back with a Blu-ray player? Thanks. __________________ Leo

April 23rd, 2009, 12:49 PM	#26
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	"Maravilhas 3D" NAB Show 2009 Hi all, this year the NAB Show 2009 breathes 3D, and my 3d movie "Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D" it is in exhibition. the Miranda Technologies is using my movie (and others like Skydiving Footage from Eric Deren - seen in the pictures) to demonstrate their 3D products, like "Kaleido-X16" and "stereo pair of JPEG2000 based media player". thanks, Marco Neiva Photos by Carlos A. Henriques Attached Thumbnails

August 12th, 2009, 10:58 PM	#27
Al Caudullo Tourist Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 2	Try This Marco Congrats! You should try this software for 3D. Spatial View SVI 3D Editor Plug-in for After Effects. You can download a free 14 day trial and they are running a summer special on the price, only $139 US. SVI Stereo 3D Editor for Adobe® After Effects® - Spatial View Inc. __________________ 3DGuy \| 2009 3D Movies \| Beautiful Thai Girl in 3D Anaglyph

September 7th, 2009, 04:40 PM	#28
Marco Neiva New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portugal-Barcelos Posts: 24	Maravilhas 3D at IFA in Berlim Hi friends, My 3D movie “Viagem às Maravilhas de Barcelos 3D” can be seen on booth of Sisvel at IFA until September 9, Sisvel is a company that licenses MP3, DVB, teletext and many other patents and they are working with 3dswitch to license a technology 3DReady that identify 3D encoding type (side by side, top bottom etc) and when implemented in displays allows automatic detection of 3D mode and consequent conversion. Pictures of the booth here: Álbuns Web Picasa - Marco Neiva - Maravilhas 3D... If you never seen the movie, you can download here: Left File: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service Right File: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service Thanks, Marco Neiva.