Canon XL1s 3D Lens WANTED! at DVinfo.net

Mario Auxilly · October 4th, 2001, 08:00 PM

Does the XL1s have a true 16:9?
What is better to shot in 16:9 or 4:3?
Is there software that can convert 16:9 to 4:3 when I capture images then convert to 16:9 to play on tv like letterbox?
Does the 16:9 guide in 4:3 is that a true native 16:9?
Does anybody use colorchart or greychart ?for post?
What is best setting for ASA using alight meter for video i use 1/60 of sec?
It the 3d Zoom Lens worth buying to make Feature film can it support 3d glasses ?

Mario Auxilly · October 4th, 2001, 08:15 PM

How close is is xL1s to Native 16:9?
Does the guide lines 16:9 in 4:3 are they true native 16:9?
help me????????

Mario Auxilly · October 4th, 2001, 08:36 PM

If no shooting you are editing if not editing you are shooting?

Chris Hurd · October 4th, 2001, 09:08 PM

Hello Mario,

<< How close is is xL1s to Native 16:9? >>

The XL1S, like the XL1 and every other DV camcorder in its class, is native 4:3. The 16:9 widescreen is interpolated, meaning, there is a loss of image quality when shooting in this mode.

You'll want to read an article on my website, The XL1 Watchdog at http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm -- choose "Articles Menu" then "Camera Head" and read "The Myth of Mini-DV Widescreen," an article I wrote for RES Magazine a couple of years ago. This article pretty much explains what's going on with 16:9 in these cameras.

<< Does the guide lines 16:9 in 4:3 are they true native 16:9? >>

No, they're not "native" 16:9, but they are the correct size and shape for converting to 16:9 during editing.

<< Does the XL1s have a true 16:9? >>

No camera in this price range is native 16:9. You have to step up to the JVC GY-DV700, the Sony DSR-500 or the Panasonic AJ-D600, all with 2/3rd inch CCD's, to get native 16:9. These cameras cost about $12,000 or so, without lens.

<< What is better to shot in 16:9 or 4:3? >>

This is a good question because a lot of people like to argue about it. The best way is to shoot in 4:3 with an anamorphic adapter attached to the lens, but there is no such adapter yet avvailable for the XL1 (there is for the GL1 / VX2000 /PD150 however).

<< Is there software that can convert 16:9 to 4:3 when I capture images then convert to 16:9 to play on tv like letterbox? >>

Most basic editing software such as Adobe Premiere, Canopus RexEdit and Apple Final Cut Pro can do this.

<< Does anybody use colorchart or greychart ?for post? >>

Personally, I don't use one.

<< What is best setting for ASA using alight meter for video i use 1/60 of sec? >>

Go to the Watchdog again, under Articles Menu > Camera Head, there is a two-part article about XL1 ASA Rating, you'll want to read those.

<< It the 3d Zoom Lens worth buying to make Feature film can it support 3d glasses ? >>

Well, the 3D lens is pretty expensive... it's about $8,000 and they're made by special order, one at a time... but it does support 3D glasses. The question is whether or not you want to spend eight grand on a lens!

<< If no shooting you are editing if not editing you are shooting? >>

If I'm not shooting or editing, I'm usually thinking about shooting or editing!

Hope this helps,

Mario Auxilly · October 4th, 2001, 10:31 PM

Thanks that helped sort things out

Mario Auxilly · October 10th, 2001, 06:06 PM

Hello,
I thinking of ordering the canon 3d Zoom lens when I buy my XL1S camera I want know if there is a site that shows me what other filmmakers have used this lens for ? What does it look like? is it worth it?Is it true 3d?
Does canon explain what new lens can be used for?
Thanks

November 3rd, 2001, 05:21 PM

Hi,

Does anyone know if there is a website where you can checkout some output from this lens? I'm getting a bit tired of checking out the same press release.

Thanks,

Max

Augustine Arredondo · November 15th, 2001, 12:30 PM

Does anyone know anywhere in L.A. that rents the Canon 3D lens? I have been hitting brick walls at every turn. So far I have tried everywhere from Samy's to Birns and Sawyer.
Please help me!

Chris Hurd · November 20th, 2001, 07:57 AM

Sorry my friend,

I seriously doubt you're going to find one for rent anywhere. These are made one at a time in Japan, at $8K apiece. Those who ordered one *really* want one and are not about to loan it out.

I hear they're quite popular in the adult entertainment market.

Chris Hurd · November 20th, 2001, 08:36 AM

I'm unaware of anyone who actually has this lens. Not sure how you would put 3D video on the web anyway, but I'm not doubting it can be done.

The big response to this lens was from the adult entertainment industry, and I don't think they'll let you see some "results" without paying for it.

At $8,000 apiece, you have to *really* want this lens. If you're seriously interested in a purchase, call Canon and I'm sure they'll arrange a demo for you. Or contact the better dealers, like my sponsor ZGC, and they might work out a way to show it to you.

The 3D lens is kind of like a Lambo or Ferrari... you can't just walk up to a Toyota dealer and expect to test-drive one. But if you're serious about buying it, you *will* be accomodated, trust me.

November 20th, 2001, 11:22 AM

Chris,

Is output from this lens meant to be viewed with the standard red and blue specs, or a special projector perhaps?

Thanks,

-Currently tracking down someone at Canon who knows something.

Chris Hurd · November 20th, 2001, 11:30 AM

Red & blue specs -- No.

Polarized specs -- Yes.

Special projector -- No.

Polarized specs, special electronic Sony specs, polarized filter screen in front of the monitor -- Yes.

Hope this helps,

Don Palomaki · November 20th, 2001, 05:58 PM

Chris, etc.,

I saw the 3D lens results in an demo/ad at the AIIM exposition in NYC in May. The promo was of Canon paper scanners shot, but it was shot the 3D lens on an XL1. We viewed with the LCD glasses (no screen). It was about consumer analog camcorder color EVF resolution, not what DV is capable of. Not sure what brand the glasses/goggles were My impresion is that it does field alternation. Something like even field to right eye, odd field to left eye. I did not get the impression that it was polarized but that method could be used for projection I guess

Not anywhere near on a par with the 3-D thing at Disney Workd in FL.

Looking beyond the adult video market (which may be more interested in high resolution). It may also do well for training, especially mechanical type things where the 3-D can really help understand how things assembled. [Wait, back in my military days, "training films" was sometimes used as a code word for adult flicks/video <g>.]

There is a Government Video Expo at in Washington, DC, next week. Canon was there last year, they just might be there with the lens this year.

January 7th, 2002, 10:05 AM

Can't look up "3d" in search. VERY interested in getting XL1 and this lens. Nowhere can I find ANY info on how to present the images though. Has anyone done it? Are we waiting for some new monitor?

Joe Redifer · February 7th, 2002, 04:54 AM

I have heard nothing about this, except that it is available. How does it work? Does it use LCD shutter glasses? has anyone here used it? For the super low price of $9,000 I should get two or three just to have a few spares! :)

October 4th, 2001, 08:00 PM	#1
Mario Auxilly Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 30	16:9 and 3d Zoom lens Does the XL1s have a true 16:9? What is better to shot in 16:9 or 4:3? Is there software that can convert 16:9 to 4:3 when I capture images then convert to 16:9 to play on tv like letterbox? Does the 16:9 guide in 4:3 is that a true native 16:9? Does anybody use colorchart or greychart ?for post? What is best setting for ASA using alight meter for video i use 1/60 of sec? It the 3d Zoom Lens worth buying to make Feature film can it support 3d glasses ? __________________ Mario Auxilly I Love to shoot with a vision and have others improve upon my vision(: Last edited by Mario Auxilly; October 4th, 2001 at 08:35 PM.

October 4th, 2001, 08:15 PM	#2
Mario Auxilly Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 30	Native 16:9 How close is is xL1s to Native 16:9? Does the guide lines 16:9 in 4:3 are they true native 16:9? help me???????? __________________ Mario Auxilly I Love to shoot with a vision and have others improve upon my vision(:

October 4th, 2001, 08:36 PM	#3
Mario Auxilly Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 30	Re: 16:9 and 3d Zoom lens If no shooting you are editing if not editing you are shooting? __________________ Mario Auxilly I Love to shoot with a vision and have others improve upon my vision(:

October 4th, 2001, 09:08 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Hello Mario, << How close is is xL1s to Native 16:9? >> The XL1S, like the XL1 and every other DV camcorder in its class, is native 4:3. The 16:9 widescreen is interpolated, meaning, there is a loss of image quality when shooting in this mode. You'll want to read an article on my website, The XL1 Watchdog at http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm -- choose "Articles Menu" then "Camera Head" and read "The Myth of Mini-DV Widescreen," an article I wrote for RES Magazine a couple of years ago. This article pretty much explains what's going on with 16:9 in these cameras. << Does the guide lines 16:9 in 4:3 are they true native 16:9? >> No, they're not "native" 16:9, but they are the correct size and shape for converting to 16:9 during editing. << Does the XL1s have a true 16:9? >> No camera in this price range is native 16:9. You have to step up to the JVC GY-DV700, the Sony DSR-500 or the Panasonic AJ-D600, all with 2/3rd inch CCD's, to get native 16:9. These cameras cost about $12,000 or so, without lens. << What is better to shot in 16:9 or 4:3? >> This is a good question because a lot of people like to argue about it. The best way is to shoot in 4:3 with an anamorphic adapter attached to the lens, but there is no such adapter yet avvailable for the XL1 (there is for the GL1 / VX2000 /PD150 however). << Is there software that can convert 16:9 to 4:3 when I capture images then convert to 16:9 to play on tv like letterbox? >> Most basic editing software such as Adobe Premiere, Canopus RexEdit and Apple Final Cut Pro can do this. << Does anybody use colorchart or greychart ?for post? >> Personally, I don't use one. << What is best setting for ASA using alight meter for video i use 1/60 of sec? >> Go to the Watchdog again, under Articles Menu > Camera Head, there is a two-part article about XL1 ASA Rating, you'll want to read those. << It the 3d Zoom Lens worth buying to make Feature film can it support 3d glasses ? >> Well, the 3D lens is pretty expensive... it's about $8,000 and they're made by special order, one at a time... but it does support 3D glasses. The question is whether or not you want to spend eight grand on a lens! << If no shooting you are editing if not editing you are shooting? >> If I'm not shooting or editing, I'm usually thinking about shooting or editing! Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 4th, 2001, 10:31 PM	#5
Mario Auxilly Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 30	16:9 Thanks that helped sort things out __________________ Mario Auxilly I Love to shoot with a vision and have others improve upon my vision(:

October 10th, 2001, 06:06 PM	#6
Mario Auxilly Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 30	3d Zoom Lens for XLs DV Camcorder Hello, I thinking of ordering the canon 3d Zoom lens when I buy my XL1S camera I want know if there is a site that shows me what other filmmakers have used this lens for ? What does it look like? is it worth it?Is it true 3d? Does canon explain what new lens can be used for? Thanks __________________ Mario Auxilly I Love to shoot with a vision and have others improve upon my vision(:

November 3rd, 2001, 05:21 PM	#7
Max Rosenblum Posts: n/a	3D Lens Hi, Does anyone know if there is a website where you can checkout some output from this lens? I'm getting a bit tired of checking out the same press release. Thanks, Max

November 15th, 2001, 12:30 PM	#8
Augustine Arredondo New Boot Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 16	trying to rent a 3D lens for the Xl-1 Does anyone know anywhere in L.A. that rents the Canon 3D lens? I have been hitting brick walls at every turn. So far I have tried everywhere from Samy's to Birns and Sawyer. Please help me!

November 20th, 2001, 07:57 AM	#9
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Sorry my friend, I seriously doubt you're going to find one for rent anywhere. These are made one at a time in Japan, at $8K apiece. Those who ordered one really want one and are not about to loan it out. I hear they're quite popular in the adult entertainment market. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 20th, 2001, 08:36 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I'm unaware of anyone who actually has this lens. Not sure how you would put 3D video on the web anyway, but I'm not doubting it can be done. The big response to this lens was from the adult entertainment industry, and I don't think they'll let you see some "results" without paying for it. At $8,000 apiece, you have to really want this lens. If you're seriously interested in a purchase, call Canon and I'm sure they'll arrange a demo for you. Or contact the better dealers, like my sponsor ZGC, and they might work out a way to show it to you. The 3D lens is kind of like a Lambo or Ferrari... you can't just walk up to a Toyota dealer and expect to test-drive one. But if you're serious about buying it, you will be accomodated, trust me. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 20th, 2001, 11:22 AM	#11
Max Rosenblum Posts: n/a	"yoo hoo, output?" Chris, Is output from this lens meant to be viewed with the standard red and blue specs, or a special projector perhaps? Thanks, -Currently tracking down someone at Canon who knows something.

November 20th, 2001, 11:30 AM	#12
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Red & blue specs -- No. Polarized specs -- Yes. Special projector -- No. Polarized specs, special electronic Sony specs, polarized filter screen in front of the monitor -- Yes. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 20th, 2001, 05:58 PM	#13
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	Chris, etc., I saw the 3D lens results in an demo/ad at the AIIM exposition in NYC in May. The promo was of Canon paper scanners shot, but it was shot the 3D lens on an XL1. We viewed with the LCD glasses (no screen). It was about consumer analog camcorder color EVF resolution, not what DV is capable of. Not sure what brand the glasses/goggles were My impresion is that it does field alternation. Something like even field to right eye, odd field to left eye. I did not get the impression that it was polarized but that method could be used for projection I guess Not anywhere near on a par with the 3-D thing at Disney Workd in FL. Looking beyond the adult video market (which may be more interested in high resolution). It may also do well for training, especially mechanical type things where the 3-D can really help understand how things assembled. [Wait, back in my military days, "training films" was sometimes used as a code word for adult flicks/video <g>.] There is a Government Video Expo at in Washington, DC, next week. Canon was there last year, they just might be there with the lens this year.

January 7th, 2002, 10:05 AM	#14
dougorama@pol.net Posts: n/a	3d lens Can't look up "3d" in search. VERY interested in getting XL1 and this lens. Nowhere can I find ANY info on how to present the images though. Has anyone done it? Are we waiting for some new monitor?

February 7th, 2002, 04:54 AM	#15
Joe Redifer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 290	3D Lens I have heard nothing about this, except that it is available. How does it work? Does it use LCD shutter glasses? has anyone here used it? For the super low price of $9,000 I should get two or three just to have a few spares! :)