Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Edward Troxel · February 26th, 2003, 01:26 PM

Are you capturing from the same camera that recorded the video? If not, try that first. It sounds like what I got when one of my cameras was going out of alignment. The tapes from that camera would drop audio when played on my deck.

Josh Bass · February 26th, 2003, 01:26 PM

DMA was apparently not enabled. I clicked the check mark (this is win 98) and it says it may have undesirable effects on my hardware if I enable it. Sure this is a good idea? Does this even matter on my C drive, or only on the drive where the media is stored?

My card was a $75 Pyro 1394 card--been using it for like a year and only had this happen with one other tape (coincidentally, a Panasonic linear plus)

XL1s camera.

Edward Troxel · February 26th, 2003, 01:28 PM

This should work as a work-around for you. First, render the project to an AVI file. Now, start a new project and import that AVI and render it to MPG. This method should work.

Josh Bass · February 27th, 2003, 01:43 AM

Not captured from the same cam that recorded the video. That came was rented from our local Public Access station, and unavailable at the time. I don't really have the means to get to it for capture, as they need a quick turnaround on these edits.

Edward Troxel · February 27th, 2003, 10:34 AM

First, DMA really needs to be turned on.

Second, do you hear the dropouts when playing the tape to a TV? (i.e. connect the deck/camera outputs to a TV and watch the tape - are there dropouts then?). If there are dropouts on the TV too, then it is NOT the computer - it's the tape.

Third, do you have another camera/deck (or know of someone who has one you could test with) you could try playing the tape in? If yes, does it exhibit the same symptoms?

Rob Lohman · February 27th, 2003, 06:40 PM

Josh,

DMA is very important. Just ignore the warning. I have never ever
had a problem with turning this on (althought in theory it could
lead to problems). If your devices do not support it they will disable
it automatically. So you can go back in your device manager after
the reboot and see which devices kept the DMA flag and which
didn't. By the way, this is not only for harddisk but also for CD
players, DVD players & burners!!

You will notice a whole new different world when you turn on
DMA. It is crucial for audio/video work! I'm pretty sure it will
eliminate your audio dropouts.

HTH!

Edward Troxel · February 27th, 2003, 09:27 PM

Posted by: SonicPJM
Date: 2/27/2003 11:24:53 AM

I've been working on a script that exports CMX 3600 EDLs... there are some limitations but I've had decent success bringing the results into AVID. Of course, once the sequence is in AVID, my success with editing tasks has not been as good ;-).

Get it here: http://www.ayizwe.net/VegasScripts/ExportEDL.js.txt

Feedback is welcome.... Enjoy!

Josh Bass · February 27th, 2003, 11:57 PM

Well, hell, I'll try it! I think it was the tape though, in all fairness. I captured another tape last night, and that one had no drops.

Also, on my media drive (a Lacie firewire drive, 80gb) there is an option to check the "int 13 unit" (there is no DMA enable option). Anyone know what this means?

Keith Luken · February 28th, 2003, 07:15 AM

Int 13 is the BIOs way of accessing a drive. My guess is that is for backward compatability with olde old software, I would NOT turn it on unless you are having a problem with something accessing the drive, in 13 is literally accessing the drive via BIOs (very slooowwww) calls, it is the simplest, yet slowest way of working with a drive. Essentially int13 is what DOS used in the begining to access a drive. IDE still uses int13, but just long enough to initialize the drive from the system to boot form it, then the various IDE controller drivers take over and access the drive via the variosu Ultra-DMA methods.

Dylan Couper · March 1st, 2003, 02:41 AM

Quick question here.
I saved a 3 minute video in a new folder, using "copy and trim media" with a 2 second heat/tail on each clip.

Instead of cutting everything into little clips like normal, Vegas saved one 3.7 GB file for the video (should only be 600ish MB), and all the assd small audio files.

Can anyone tell me why it's doing this? I test saved another short video and it worked normaly with it.
Thanks

Edward Troxel · March 1st, 2003, 07:44 AM

What format was the video file?

If it wasn't DV-AVI, it copies the whole thing instead of the smaller piece.

Dylan Couper · March 1st, 2003, 01:01 PM

All my video clip that I capture from tape become ATI files.

Normaly, when I save a project with Copy & Trim Media, it saves 3 files per clip; an ATI file for video, a Sonic Foundry Wave64 for audio, and an SFK file. So if there is 30 clips in the project, there will be 30 of each file type. Plus the VEG project file.
What happened this time, is that everything was saved normaly, except that instead of 30 small files totaling 700mb, I got the one original 3GB file that the all the files originated from when I imported the video from my camera.

Do my files only save as ATI files because of my ATI Radeon video card software?

Edward Troxel · March 1st, 2003, 10:53 PM

I've never heard of an "ATI" file. It seems to work fine with "AVI" files captured via firewire with the Vegas capture program. Sounds like a file format problem.

Dylan Couper · March 2nd, 2003, 12:32 AM

I'm guessing ATI is a perversion of some other file, thanks to my stupid Radeon software.
There's lots of other people out there using ATI video cards... Does anyone else have this situation?

George Brackett III · March 2nd, 2003, 10:14 AM

The ATI media software has taken over for windows media player as the default for these files. Right click on your "ati" file, and select "open with" and click "choose program". Make sure the "alway open this ........" box is checked. Double click on windows media player. The next time you explore files, windows will show the correct file format info......

February 26th, 2003, 01:26 PM	#77
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	DMA was apparently not enabled. I clicked the check mark (this is win 98) and it says it may have undesirable effects on my hardware if I enable it. Sure this is a good idea? Does this even matter on my C drive, or only on the drive where the media is stored? My card was a $75 Pyro 1394 card--been using it for like a year and only had this happen with one other tape (coincidentally, a Panasonic linear plus) XL1s camera. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

February 27th, 2003, 01:43 AM	#79
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Not captured from the same cam that recorded the video. That came was rented from our local Public Access station, and unavailable at the time. I don't really have the means to get to it for capture, as they need a quick turnaround on these edits. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

February 27th, 2003, 06:40 PM	#81
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Josh, DMA is very important. Just ignore the warning. I have never ever had a problem with turning this on (althought in theory it could lead to problems). If your devices do not support it they will disable it automatically. So you can go back in your device manager after the reboot and see which devices kept the DMA flag and which didn't. By the way, this is not only for harddisk but also for CD players, DVD players & burners!! You will notice a whole new different world when you turn on DMA. It is crucial for audio/video work! I'm pretty sure it will eliminate your audio dropouts. HTH! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 27th, 2003, 09:27 PM	#82
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas EDL Output is HERE Posted by: SonicPJM Date: 2/27/2003 11:24:53 AM I've been working on a script that exports CMX 3600 EDLs... there are some limitations but I've had decent success bringing the results into AVID. Of course, once the sequence is in AVID, my success with editing tasks has not been as good ;-). Get it here: http://www.ayizwe.net/VegasScripts/ExportEDL.js.txt Feedback is welcome.... Enjoy!

February 27th, 2003, 11:57 PM	#83
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Well, hell, I'll try it! I think it was the tape though, in all fairness. I captured another tape last night, and that one had no drops. Also, on my media drive (a Lacie firewire drive, 80gb) there is an option to check the "int 13 unit" (there is no DMA enable option). Anyone know what this means? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

February 26th, 2003, 01:28 PM	#78
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	This should work as a work-around for you. First, render the project to an AVI file. Now, start a new project and import that AVI and render it to MPG. This method should work.

February 27th, 2003, 10:34 AM	#80
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	First, DMA really needs to be turned on. Second, do you hear the dropouts when playing the tape to a TV? (i.e. connect the deck/camera outputs to a TV and watch the tape - are there dropouts then?). If there are dropouts on the TV too, then it is NOT the computer - it's the tape. Third, do you have another camera/deck (or know of someone who has one you could test with) you could try playing the tape in? If yes, does it exhibit the same symptoms?

February 28th, 2003, 07:15 AM	#84
Keith Luken Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 200	Int 13 is the BIOs way of accessing a drive. My guess is that is for backward compatability with olde old software, I would NOT turn it on unless you are having a problem with something accessing the drive, in 13 is literally accessing the drive via BIOs (very slooowwww) calls, it is the simplest, yet slowest way of working with a drive. Essentially int13 is what DOS used in the begining to access a drive. IDE still uses int13, but just long enough to initialize the drive from the system to boot form it, then the various IDE controller drivers take over and access the drive via the variosu Ultra-DMA methods.

March 1st, 2003, 02:41 AM	#85
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	vegas save question Quick question here. I saved a 3 minute video in a new folder, using "copy and trim media" with a 2 second heat/tail on each clip. Instead of cutting everything into little clips like normal, Vegas saved one 3.7 GB file for the video (should only be 600ish MB), and all the assd small audio files. Can anyone tell me why it's doing this? I test saved another short video and it worked normaly with it. Thanks __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 1st, 2003, 07:44 AM	#86
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	What format was the video file? If it wasn't DV-AVI, it copies the whole thing instead of the smaller piece.

March 1st, 2003, 01:01 PM	#87
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	All my video clip that I capture from tape become ATI files. Normaly, when I save a project with Copy & Trim Media, it saves 3 files per clip; an ATI file for video, a Sonic Foundry Wave64 for audio, and an SFK file. So if there is 30 clips in the project, there will be 30 of each file type. Plus the VEG project file. What happened this time, is that everything was saved normaly, except that instead of 30 small files totaling 700mb, I got the one original 3GB file that the all the files originated from when I imported the video from my camera. Do my files only save as ATI files because of my ATI Radeon video card software? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 1st, 2003, 10:53 PM	#88
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I've never heard of an "ATI" file. It seems to work fine with "AVI" files captured via firewire with the Vegas capture program. Sounds like a file format problem.

March 2nd, 2003, 12:32 AM	#89
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'm guessing ATI is a perversion of some other file, thanks to my stupid Radeon software. There's lots of other people out there using ATI video cards... Does anyone else have this situation? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 2nd, 2003, 10:14 AM	#90
George Brackett III Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Waterville, NY USA Posts: 83	The ATI media software has taken over for windows media player as the default for these files. Right click on your "ati" file, and select "open with" and click "choose program". Make sure the "alway open this ........" box is checked. Double click on windows media player. The next time you explore files, windows will show the correct file format info...... __________________ If the quality of mercy is not strained, then how do they get the lumps out?