No, a take is another "version" of an event. So, omce you've got the "versions" back into the Media Pool in Vegas - as per Edward's comments above, I highlight the events - these are WAVs for me - RIGHT click and DRAG the group - here it was 4 versions - and as you drop these onto the audio portion of the event and release, you get a drop down menu. I select "Add AS Takes" . . this gives the option to Preview all the versions, one at a time. You do this by Right clicking the Audio and going waaay down to the Take section and there you will see the various Takes of the same Audio! Select which one is the one you prefer!

So, that's the TAke on Takes!

Grazie

Ah! yah beat me ... G :)

Greetings Ineta,

Riga is of course the birthplace of one of the all time great engineering wonders of photography - The original Minox 8x11!

Edward wrote:

>>>You'd honestly be better off taking the original MPEG file and rendering to a new DV-AVI file, editing with it, and then rendering back to MPEG1.

Edward,

Does Vegas perform this?

I thought you had to render the Mpeg out from Womble or one of the specialized Mpeg programs, and then bring it back in to Vegas.

Brian

Yes, Vegas can render from MPEG to DV-AVI.

Is your CPU overclocked? I had problems with Vegas and this. My machine ran perfectly for EVERYTHING else, without a hitch. But when rendering, sometimes it'd reset. So I dropped the clock back down and it's all good now.

Aaron

Sunday I really messed up my drive on the new system by failing to reboot between app installs (duh). After installing Vegas, DVDA, Sound Forge, Norton Systemworks, and finally GoBack, I re booted, creating a mess.

I can't say enough good about Bob Greene and his creation, BootMaster (http://www.bootmaster.filerecovery.biz). After downloading the free demo, you run it and create a report. Then you send it into Bob, who makes a recommendation both regarding the solution and whether or not BootMaster will help solve the problem. It turned out in my case the demo alone was enough to get the job done (changing the partition from GoBack to NTFS). Amazing--real live help, basically for free.

hope you never need it, but if so, check it out.

Scott

Need Help With Pixelan Installation
 

I have Pixelan Spicemaster 2 in my hard drive but it refuses to open up in Vegas 5.0. It says "unsupported format." This despite the installation process ostensibly gone smoothly. I see all the files in the hard drive but I can't access them. What can I do?

Thanks!

Bypassing compositing
 

Hi all,


Ok so now that the transition thing is done with I think I am left with one tiny problem. I did some compositing on one track but if I had , let say, a text event higher or lower then that one track the compositing will affect that track also.

Is it possible then to bypass the compositing or end the effect of the compositing when the intro is done.

So far I muted the track so I can at least work but that won't do when it comes to rendering the whole thing.

Thanks a bunch guys.

Vegas Top Fifteen Must-Haves by Jeffrey P. Fisher
 

http://www.jeffreypfisher.addr.com/vegas15.html

In my research I ran across Jeffrey P. Fisher's "Vegas Top Fifteen Must-Haves"

Some of the must have's are ShuttlePro, Ulead Cool 3D Studio, DigitalJuice Editor's Tool Kit 1 & 2, Motion Backs and Backtraxx.

I think this list was complied during the Vegas 4 period. What would be some of YOUR must have's for Vegas 5?

You can use the parent/child compositing buttons to set the 'hierarchy' of the compositing modes. In the video track controls in the left hand column, there are buttons for Make Compositing Parent/Child.

The parent's compositing mode will only affect the children, as far as I can figure out.

Well I'l l be damned .....

Glen you are the saviour of the day .

Works great , right on the mark :)

thanks and hav a great day

Two Versions of One Person Effect
 

Hi,

I'm not too experienced on using Vegas, but I'm wondering, how do I have the same actor be in the same shot twice without using a blue-screen?

I mean, I'm not going to move the camera, I want to keep the camera in the same place, then have the actor just act the two parts consecutively, so the background is exactly the same.

Is there a way to like, cut out one version of the actor and paste him onto the one shot before? Or like, overlap the footage of both?

Dennis

Just use a split screen. For example, shoot the video twice - once for each half of the screen. When adding to the timeline, Mask half of the top one so that only the proper half shows allowing the other half on the lower track to show. I have some masking examples in my newsletters but not one that specifically covers this exact situation. In short:

Track 1: Split Screen Generated Media. Add a Sony Mask Generator effect to this media.
Track 2: Left video

Track 2 is to be set as a child to Track 1. Change the Parent Composite Mode to Multiply (Mask)

Track 3: Right Video

what version vegas and is it spicemaster 2.5?? the new one??

also what service pack to u have installed in ur OS??

XP with SP2 can cause many problems

Digital Juice??
hmm.. well to gaet any results using that u need to eitehr convert all the mov files to raw, uncompressed with transparency.. this takes alot of time.. another solution for useing these in vegas was to chroma key they grey..

also why would one need ulead cool 3d, when BluffTitler is faster, easier to use, realtime output in any format, offers particle and liquids, and is probably one of the most underated Titlers out there..??
If ur creating 3d objects, do it properly and use lightwave..

my must haves would have to be..

Pixelan SpiceFilters...
the new noise filter is great way to add lighting effects, step time, step motion etc.. brilliant stuff..

The shake tremor script. dunno who its from though..
mixed with spicemaster step motion and some titles.. hmmm :)
Also any oher script which simplifies the work..

BluffTitler
for animated opengl 3d titling
brilliant stuff

Particle Illusion
pretty obvious

I use digital juice when it actually works for me with chromakeying.. i dont like how V4 or V5 doesnt recoognise its transparency.

a Midi controller
I use a yamaha rs7000 music workstation

a good imagination always helps too..

wish list for version 6.

Bolt on support for realtime output/render using a Hardware accelerator.
Even if its 2 video layer and 1 title layer, thats enough for most wrk.

faster rendering

Metadata on rendered clips, which details affects implemented, slowmotion rates, frame rates etc. This can then be pulled up as a reference for matchin slow mo settings, colour corrections.

a colour change filter click on the colour u wnat to change, and then click on the new colour. Prem and Matrox do this easily...

background rendering

Vegas needs is seconday colour corrector..

faster rendering

a Chromonance and Luma key as found in canopus storm2.. similar to the above, but much more refined.

Consistant slow motion filter, as opposed to slow mo/blending/blur settings being in the project settings...... apply the filter or "slow mo settings" on the clip prior to slowing down.
this allows u to use these settings in other projects.

background rendering

a motion tracking stabiliser.

faster rendering

auto colour match with reference clip. Helps with colour correcting footage from different cameras. Prem has this...

auto white balance. Similar to the above but for white balancing one clip to another.

thats all i can think of now.. theres prolly loads more...

Ticker-style text scroll
 

How do I do a "news style" text scroll across the bottom of the screen, like you see on CNN or CNBC? I tried a search, but if it has been answered here already I didn't use the right keywords.

?
Vegas 5 does have a secondary color corrector. It's called "Color Corrector (Secondary)". There are a few areas where it can use improvement, but it's fairly powerful.

You can use the secondary color corrector to generate a mask, which makes it a bit more useful. You can soften the mask with any of the various blur filters to create a softer mask with less artifacting and hard edges. Apply the chroma blur filter upstream for a cleaner mask if necessary.

Thanks a lot! That's awesome. I take it I can also cut out the screen in other ways too right? Great... I have a lot to experiment with... thanks for the tip Edward.

Dennis

Add a text generated media. Type the text all on ONE line. On the position tab set the "Y" position to set the location on the screen. Now for the first keyframe, position the text off the right edge of the screen. On the second keyframe, position the text off the left edge of the screen (making sure the "Y" position does not change)

One thing to make sure, the text generated media has a "Length" that must be changed to the correct amount of time you wish it to scroll. You should set the "length" before you set the last keyframe (or you'll have to move it to the end.)

Yes, there are multiple ways to accomplish this task. This was just one of the easiest ways to describe it.

More performance tests- Dual Channel versus Single Channel
 

Short story:
A- Always get RAM in dual channel if on Penitum platform (865/875 chipsets or newer 9xx chipsets). Purchase and install RAM in pairs of the exact same model. You do not need to buy RAM specifically labelled dual channel.
B- The improvement from single channel to dual channel is a few percent (~4%).

Long story:

Testing methods:
Use rendertest.veg, best quality. Rendertest there's lots of data for, so that's why I chose it.

Pentium 2.6C, stock speed
Intel 865 chipset, Asus P4P800 motherboard

With a single stick of PMI 512MB (CAS 2.5-4-4-8, probably double-sided):
1:50, Vegas didn't show render time (a bug I think... encountered it a few times), 1:46, 1:46
Average: 107.33 seconds.
Memory bandwidth as measured by an old version of Memtest: 1519MB/s

With two sticks of Samsung 256MB (CAS 2.5-3-3-8, probably single-sided):
1:43, 1:43, 1:44
Average: 103.33 seconds.
Memory bandwidth as measured by memtest 3.2: 2072MB/s

With one stick of Samsung 256MB:
1:49, 1:48, 1:48
*Windows felt a lot more sluggish with one stick... weird.
Average: 108.33 seconds.
Memory bandwidth as measured by memtest 3.2: 1561MB/s

I didn't test extremely well... you can get more precise results (results closer to each other) if you hit enter to start the render and don't move your mouse around and by setting windows to boot with unnecessary programs already closed.

Between the single and double sticks of samsung RAM, there's a ~4.8% speed bump from going to two sticks.
Between the PMI and Samsung sticks, it's ~3.9%.

Considering it costs virtually nothing to get a dual channel configuration, you should go for it and enjoy the very small speed boost (you likely won't notice it except in benchmarks). If you want to be a total speed whore, then get a configuration with the highest memory bandwidth. That's four sticks of double sided or single sided RAM usually. 512MB sticks are commonly double sided, and 256 single sided or double.
see http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=1839&p=5

No idea about newer 9xx Intel chipsets, but I'd expect dual channel to be superior to single channel.

RAM timings: The CAS x-x-x-x mumble jumbo refers to the memory timings, lower being better. Memory timings make no measurable difference on render performance.
see my old memory tests:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=18841

New here , have question about Encoding in Vegas 5.
 

Would just like to Say Hello to everybody ,My first post.


My question:

I have an Mpg2 video that I want to edit out some parts , I know this is not the Best format to edit with, after I edit the file is there a way to save the Mpg without re-encoding?

Thanks Everybody......

>>>>The shake tremor script. dunno who its from though..

Are you referring to Vegas Quake? (http://www.rmtools.se/vegasquake.html)

This is a great script.

In addition to the "Color Corrector (Secondary)", there is the six-vector" secondary color corrector called 6cc at http://www.moosehill.se/index.php?page=vegas/morevegas.php

I personally recommend the Shuttle Xpress. I don't know what I'm missing from its larger brother, but this little tool is invaluable.


Brian

yeah that one :)

im waiting for the pump to come out too :)

that one intrigued me coz i do alot of dance partes and im actualyl doin a physical zoom in/out to get that effect.. if i can sync the script to some techno beats, then were in business :)

I would add Barry Green's "The DVX Book" to the list

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/dvxbook/

This is really weird. . .rendering problem (I guess)
 

Ok, so, here's the deal.

I have an AVI file, a complete short film. I'm trying to make a web/computer friendly version, so I add a brightness/contrast plugin, adjust to my liking, and render the altered AVI to another AVI file. This new "Web AVI" will play fine in the Vegas (4) timeline, and is the correct length (about 6 mins 50 secs).

HOWEVER, whenever I open said Web AVI file in Windows Media Player, for some reason it's only 4 mins and 42 secs long. It says "4:42" where it tells you the length of the file, and furthermore, if you slide the slider to the end, it is indeed cutting off at 4:42, and the file simply ends, no glitchy gibberish or anything, just ends like that's what I wanted it to do.

In addition, when using Windows Media Encoder to change that Web AVI to a .wmv file, that wmv file is ALSO 4:42.

I have no idea why it's doing this. It did it yesterday, and I assumed that I either needed to reboot, or that I'd run out of space on the drive where the rendered file was being written. It's doing it again, exactly the same way, after a reboot, and there's enough space left on the drive to write that file.

When I go to the folder where the two files, the original AVI and the Web AVI, are being stored and right click them, checking the properties, they are both the same size (1.45 GB).

This is so weird that I wouldn't even know where to begin. Got any ideas? Anyone? Anyone?

Vegas & Mackie Control
 

Wow, I just got my Mackie Control to work with Vegas, it's really hot!

Mackie makes an overlay for Vegas:
http://www.mackie.com/products/macki...AS_Overlay.pdf

You can order it here for $10 + $10 shipping:
http://www.mackie.com/products/macki...u_overlay.html

nope.. its gotta be redone..

best thing to do is render original mpg2 to avi.. mess with it.. touch it up a bit with sharpness and denoise filters, then render back to mpg2..

its how its done with HDV and works really well..

welcome to the forum by the way..

dude read my rant down the bottom somewhere on the forum here.. vegas slo mo killed my project...

i feel for ya man.. coz i too experience this stuff up...

oh hey, try this.. wack that full 6 min vid into ANOTHOER nle.. like main concept main actor which opens ANY format... and you'll see that ur getting the same problem... or better yet.. try to use Canopus procoder with that file and youll see that you have NO LUCK in gettin it to read past ur 4.42....

yes it sux... and its been an issue since V4 first came out...

Vegas 5.0/Spicemaster 2.0

Not sure what my service pack is; why it reads it as an "unsupported format" despite it being "there" on the hard drive is beyond me. It jus doesn't "open."

Thank you peter, Thats what I thought , was just hoping maybe there was and I missed it.


Thanks Again.

meh...

i use a Yamaha RS7000 workstation so its full of midi knobs and on top of that its a great sound source and synnth for creating effects etc.. :)

u can get these dirt cheap in the US now.. hell any synth will do the trick...
u can get teh RS lil bro the RM1x, S/H for about 250US.. well worth the dosh...

I don't understand. . .what's causing it? I didn't use any slow motion with anything.

As I said, the original AVI, the master of the short film, I rendered from separate files, and it's fine.

Can you elaborate on what this "bug" is? I've done this whole process before, and it worked out perfectly. I don't see why it's screwing up now.

Are those other encoders free?

Maybe Vegas is just rendering the loop region??? Uncheck the box to double check.

Thanks, but that's not it. I double-click the whole AVI file when I run through this procedure, making the whole thing the loop region. Also, as I said, in the Vegas timeline, that new AVI file is fine; it's everywhere else it's screwed up.

There a few ways you can edit MPEG files without re-encoding but they all need external programs, a couple of which are free.

Mpeg2Schnitt and Cuttermaran both enable you to do simple but frame-accurate cuts and then save without re-encoding and both are free.

For more sophisticated MPEG editing without re-encoding there are VideoReDo, MPEG-VCR and TMPGEnc MPEG Editor, all at around $50. They only re-encode any changes (anything other than simple cuts).

For the ultimate in MPEG editing there is MPEG Video Wizard which has multiple tracks, transitions, filters/effects, titles, works with AC3 and has MPEG repair tools etc. etc. It's a bit pricier at $120 but does a great job. It also only re-encodes the changes so saving is very fast.

This is my first post too :)

Hello to all.

Tony

4:42 is the 1Gig mark on an AVI file. For some reason WMP is only seeing the first gig of the file.

Ok, I guess that's a starting place. . .I suppose I could create the WMV file in Vegas instead of through the WMP encoder. . .maybe that would allow me to bypass the problem. I still find it odd I didn't run into this before.

Is there some 1 gig limit on WMP or something?

Poor Memory
 

This was also posted on Non linear Editing on the PC but I thought I would try it here also.


Hey guys, please tell me what this means.

While building my new computer: P4-3.0; Asus Mobo/875 chipset; two Hitachi SATA 160's; Maxtor external 120 USB; one GIG Kingston Ram; Plextor DVD burner.

I loaded Vegas 5.0 on my old 500mgz machine; 128 ram; 10 gig IDE HD to play with it.

The problem I see when I go to Preferences/Video it says under Dynamic Ram Preview max 16 MB & only 16MB available. When I boot up the computer says 130,548 MB ram. So is the ram dead or what?

Any help is appreciated, TEB

That seems normal. Because your old 500mhz computer has so little memory, you'd expect there to be only a little bit of RAM available for RAM preview.

That's erroneous as 130,548MB is a lot of memory. You probably mean kB?

2- Why do you think your RAM is dead?