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Dave Blackhurst July 10th, 2007 03:51 PM

HMMMM, booking a photog a month before the event in busy season.... THAT should be interesting... they'll be back... run, hide, don't answer that phone man!

Travis Cossel July 10th, 2007 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 709999)
HMMMM, booking a photog a month before the event in busy season.... THAT should be interesting... they'll be back... run, hide, don't answer that phone man!

Naw, they won't be back. There's always someone cheap and inexperienced available. They won't be happy with their pictures, but oh well. I'm done with them either way.

Jason Robinson July 10th, 2007 05:21 PM

Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel (Post 709402)
Now I'm really glad they cancelled, because I don't want a client that can't be pleased no matter what you do. I told them I wish them the best, but I guess I lied, but secretly I hope it rains, snows and hails on their wedding day, lol.

Wow. Bad luck with the brides lately? There was that crazy one you posted about a month or so ago and now this. Must be something in the water around here.

Glad to see they saved you from dealing with their own problems.

jason

Jason Robinson July 10th, 2007 05:27 PM

Not Me!
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 709922)
If it's someone trying to "make a name" in your town, they should have one shortly, probably with approximately 4 letters... not a good "career move" IMO. Maybe he's in for "a lesson" too - fate brought them together after all <wink>!

Heh. I promise it wasn't me! I got NOTHING booked. Bummed too. I'm working on custom software for some other clients until I get the $ for some marketing. I have a "may be" client / friend out in Seattle the weekend before TC's potential / former client. Still have to work out details on that one.

Jason

Travis Cossel July 10th, 2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Robinson (Post 710047)
Wow. Bad luck with the brides lately? There was that crazy one you posted about a month or so ago and now this. Must be something in the water around here.

Glad to see they saved you from dealing with their own problems.

jason

Well, that crazy one I posted about was last year actually, but yeah, the past 2 weeks have been interesting.

Oh, and I know you had nothing to do with this couple. My understanding is that they are going with a cheap photographer and skipping the video altogether. No worries, mate. d;-)

Jon McGuffin July 10th, 2007 09:14 PM

I back you 100% on this Travis and thank you for posting the situation. To suggest it's unprofessional to ask collegues their advice on a sticky position when the customer SIGNED a contract and now wants to back out of their word is absurd. If people want to point out the injustice, it's the customer in this case and just because other people have problems, bigger & smaller, is completely irrellevant to your situation and doesn't make you being wronged any better. Why won't people hold anybody accountable for their actions anymore??!?!

Frankly, I hope the bride and groom find this forum. You never mentioned a name (which was good, that *would* have crossed the line). If they know you are talking about them, they should see that you have support amongst your peers and that YOU are in fact a reasonable person and THEY are in the wrong.

Jon

Mark Holland July 11th, 2007 08:23 AM

Travis,

Just to add my 2 cents...

I require a 50% retainer fee at the time of booking. It's non-refundable, and if they "change their minds" or cancel my services for any reason, I still get paid something for the day, as opposed to getting nothing. The balance is payable before I pull my cameras out on the wedding day. For my clients, this gives them weeks or even months to pay the balance as their budget permits, in amounts that they can afford.

Mark

Glenn Davidson July 11th, 2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon McGuffin (Post 710123)
Frankly, I hope the bride and groom find this forum. You never mentioned a name (which was good, that *would* have crossed the line). If they know you are talking about them, they should see that you have support amongst your peers and that YOU are in fact a reasonable person and THEY are in the wrong.

Jon

Well you centantly do seem to have support from fellow wedding videographers. I guess I am alone in my opinion. I come from a commercial broadcast background and really have no experience with 'Bridzilla'. The part where you were hoping that the brides wedding was rained out just bugged me.

I am still confused about the retainer you received. You kept that right? So you walk away with a little change, you avoid dealing with someone you feel is unreasonable and I hope you both live 'Happily Ever After'.

Travis Cossel July 11th, 2007 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Holland (Post 710324)
Travis,

Just to add my 2 cents...

I require a 50% retainer fee at the time of booking. It's non-refundable, and if they "change their minds" or cancel my services for any reason, I still get paid something for the day, as opposed to getting nothing. The balance is payable before I pull my cameras out on the wedding day. For my clients, this gives them weeks or even months to pay the balance as their budget permits, in amounts that they can afford.

Mark

I tend to doubt I could get away with a 50% retainer, but my retainer is large enough that people won't walk away from it without a really good reason. That's also why I charge an additional fee 30 days before the wedding, it's just that this couple backed out 31 days before. How long have you been using the 50% retainer?

Travis Cossel July 11th, 2007 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Davidson (Post 710434)
Well you centantly do seem to have support from fellow wedding videographers. I guess I am alone in my opinion. I come from a commercial broadcast background and really have no experience with 'Bridzilla'. The part where you were hoping that the brides wedding was rained out just bugged me.

I am still confused about the retainer you received. You kept that right? So you walk away with a little change, you avoid dealing with someone you feel is unreasonable and I hope you both live 'Happily Ever After'.

Apologies about the "rain" comment. That was for humor's sake. I don't really wish that for them. I'm not that kind of person. However, if it did rain that day, I wouldn't necessarily feel bad either.

And yes, I kept the retainer. It's nice to have that and not have to deal with someone unreasonable, but at the same time it's a substantial loss of income as well. Tough situation.

Mark Sudfeldt July 12th, 2007 08:08 AM

Hey Travis, don't feel bad about making the rain comment. . . .I thought it was really funny and exactly the way I have felt when similar things have happened to me.
You never mentioned names and were just venting to your peers. . . . don't apologize for having a sense of humor ;-)

Cheers, Mark

Travis Cossel July 12th, 2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sudfeldt (Post 710884)
Hey Travis, don't feel bad about making the rain comment. . . .I thought it was really funny and exactly the way I have felt when similar things have happened to me.
You never mentioned names and were just venting to your peers. . . . don't apologize for having a sense of humor ;-)

Cheers, Mark

Thanks, Mark.


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