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Alex Raskin October 25th, 2008 08:13 AM

9V, as it apparently does not affect picture but prolongs battery life w this monitor setup by lowering power consumption...

Piotr Wozniacki October 25th, 2008 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Raskin (Post 955450)
9V, as it apparently does not affect picture but prolongs battery life w this monitor setup by lowering power consumption...

Mine is also at 9V; I tried 12V but no difference - still switches the display off... Interestingly, it doesn't happen when I put the battery close to the monitor edge, rather than centrally (in the vertical position). When the display vanishes, there is the 480p green indicator in the top right corner of a couple of seconds; then everything goes black. After removing the battery, the same indicator reads (properly) 1080i.

The nice people at ManhattanLCD must have forgotten to put some shielding inside; I don't even want to think about the hassle of sending it back...The obvious solution would be to fix the battery to the tripod somewhere (instead of the monitor back), but with such configuration the cable (quite short) gets twisted around the whole thing when I pan with the camera.

Arghhh!!!

Alex Raskin October 25th, 2008 09:07 AM

my battery is positioned horizontally along the monitor's long side, smack in the middle of the rear panel.

Piotr Wozniacki October 25th, 2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Raskin (Post 955472)
my battery is positioned horizontally along the monitor's long side, smack in the middle of the rear panel.

I tried this position, and it works - but only with the battery cable output near the monitor edge; when I twist it 180 deg (i.e. the battery cable socket near the monitor vertical axis), the picture is gone again.

So it looks like the only position where it works is with the battery I/O panel as far away from the monitor center as possible; not the most convenient placing. But it would confirm that the monitor (or at least my unit) lacks some sort of electromagnetic shielding.

Alex, could you try and place the battery vertically, with the cable downward, to check it for me whether it's just my unit?

Alex Raskin October 25th, 2008 07:03 PM

Piotr, seems like your monitor has a problem.

I just re-checked on your request, and mine does not exhibit any issues like you described, no matter where do I put the battery.

Gints Klimanis October 26th, 2008 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 954957)
Only have one problem: when I velcroed the battery to the monitor's back, the Component input picture disappeared! I was horrified, cause I thought the monitor just broke down - but removing the battery cured it. Lack of electro-magnetic shielding, or what?

Do you guys have your Manhattan monitors working with a battery attached?

Yes, I have the Tekkeon 3450 and the 3450-10 "myPower ALL Plus" power extender working together with Manhattan LCD. I'll try placing the battery closer the next time I use it.

Piotr Wozniacki October 26th, 2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis (Post 955667)
Yes, I have the Tekkeon 3450 and the 3450-10 "myPower ALL Plus" power extender working together with Manhattan LCD. I'll try placing the battery closer the next time I use it.

Please do, Gints - and let me know. TIA.

Also, many thanks to Alex.

Gints Klimanis October 26th, 2008 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 955741)
Please do, Gints - and let me know. TIA.

Also, many thanks to Alex.

Hi Piotr,

I tried my Tekkeon pack with the Manhattan HD monitor. I held the battery pack to the back of the monitor in vertical and horizontal orientations and even flipped the battery to match the opposite surface. No troubles here.

Sorry I didn't get back to you about using the Manhattan LCD outside in bright sunlight. I just never had an opportunity to do it until this morning. Like you've reported, it's difficult to see anything in bright light. I'll try a monitor hood, but I have my doubts if anything but a full monitor enclosure will help.

M. Paul El-Darwish October 26th, 2008 05:32 PM

Full hood enclosures benefit all external monitors outdoors. I make DIY hoods that rock...
Canon HV20 / HV30 User Forum - View Single Post - DIY Samsung HD Monitor thread
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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis (Post 955859)
Hi Piotr,

I tried my Tekkeon pack with the Manhattan HD monitor. I held the battery pack to the back of the monitor in vertical and horizontal orientations and even flipped the battery to match the opposite surface. No troubles here.

Sorry I didn't get back to you about using the Manhattan LCD outside in bright sunlight. I just never had an opportunity to do it until this morning. Like you've reported, it's difficult to see anything in bright light. I'll try a monitor hood, but I have my doubts if anything but a full monitor enclosure will help.


Alex Raskin October 26th, 2008 05:39 PM

That page doesn't say much about the hood - how should it be made/attached to monitor?

Gints Klimanis October 27th, 2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by M. Paul El-Darwish (Post 955882)
Full hood enclosures benefit all external monitors outdoors. I make DIY hoods that rock...

No doubt, you are creative with the accessories. What material do you use for the hood? I'm thinking of cutting up a larger hood that I used to use for a CRT.

Piotr Wozniacki October 29th, 2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsolt Gordos (Post 946492)
Piotr,

you always find cool gadgets :) I better watch your moves.

Could you please post a photo of this Manhattan LCD once arrives, mounted with your rig - so i can assess how big it is? I might consider buying one if not too large - its price is definitely tempting. Please post your experience with its picture quality, too.

Thanks a bunch in advance,

Zsolt

Here you go, Zsolt :)

As to my opinion on the depicted rig, I'd say that the Redrock Micro stuff is indeed of an exceptional quality, with equally great support from Brian Valente (and others on the RR forum). The Manhattan monitor is also very, very good (as is the Tekkeon battery powering it), and the support from ManhattanLCD's John Reed outstanding.

Unfortunately, I cannot say I'm equally satisfied with the Letus Extreme performance or build quality -a real bummer! Aaron, if you read this, please do something to improve the level of Extreme users satisfaction, instead of just charging more for the Ultimate version (which merely offers improvements the Extreme should have as a standard, in the first place)...

So now the only missing thing I'm still waiting for is the NanoFlash - Mike, I'm counting on you!

Gints Klimanis October 29th, 2008 12:39 PM

I had major issues with edge softness with the RedRock M2 on a Sony EX1 and either the Nikon 85mm f/1.4 or 50mm f/1.4 set to f/2 .

Alex Raskin October 29th, 2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 957075)
Aaron, if you read this, please do something to improve the level of ( Letus )Extreme users satisfaction, instead of just charging more for the Ultimate version (which merely offers improvements the Extreme should have as a standard, in the first place)...

Piotr, I assume you are referring to the backfocus adjustments, which are badly engineered on LEX - in which case I agree with you!

Piotr Wozniacki October 30th, 2008 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Raskin (Post 957494)
Piotr, I assume you are referring to the backfocus adjustments, which are badly engineered on LEX - in which case I agree with you!

Alex,

As I wrote several times already in other threads, the image quality I'm getting with the improved Letus achromat for EX1, and my Canon lenses, is marvellous. If I'm not totally satisfied is that a precise opto-mechanical device like this, sitting between your high-quality lens and an even higher-quality camera, should absolutely be built better than the Extreme version is.

The back focus adjustment is a real pain; even if you succeed in getting it to focus at infinity, the GG can change the amplitude and frequency of vibration, making such noise that shooting with an onboard mic is simply impossible. Also, the way adjustment is done will never ensure that you will leave the GG planar with the camera imagers (i.e. normal to the lens axis). This causes picture softness in one corner or even the whole (left or right, upper or lower) extremity of the frame. But above all, the adjustment won't keep - the three GG stands will sooner rather than later change their position in the rubber bushes, and you will lose back focus again, or the noise will increase, or the critical focus will not cover the whole frame - or all of the above... This happens to me constantly; heck - this thing should have a precise, repeatable and permanent adjustment!

Finally, the way Letus Extreme is attached to the thread ring on the camera lens is just pathetic - unstable, flimsy, and above all, unrepeatable. The only contact is the shallow flange, and those pathetic three little screws to keep the 2 heavy and expensive pieces together (camera + adapter) - even on rails, this simply cannot be stiff and precise enough a connection! What I'd expect here is a much longer (or should I say, deeper) contact, and a connection secured by a solid, threaded muff.

Most of the above have been fixed with the Ultimate version, for more than twice the price...

Alex Raskin October 30th, 2008 04:04 AM

To my knowledge, LEX is $1.1K and Ultimate is $4.5K, so there's over 4x price difference actually?

Piotr Wozniacki October 30th, 2008 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Raskin (Post 957556)
To my knowledge, LEX is $1.1K and Ultimate is $4.5K, so there's over 4x price difference actually?

Yep. My mistake originated from the fact, that - without a second thought - I compared what I actually paid for importing LEX (+ FedEX shipment + duty + VAT), with the net list price of the Ultimate.

So it's even worse, actually.

M. Paul El-Darwish November 1st, 2008 10:28 AM

I'll talk to MLCD about the lack of shielding. Is should be easy to add with a perforated shield plate inside the backside. I don't mount my 3450 that way anyway ( too much stress on the monitor to support connection)
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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 954957)
Just got the Manhattan HD monitor and must say there is no hue shift towards blue - the picture is great even with the standard settings.

I also bought the Tekkeon 3450 battery - very nice and well done device.

I only have one problem: when I velcroed the battery to the monitor's back, the Component input picture disappeared! I was horrified, cause I thought the monitor just broke down - but removing the battery cured it. Lack of electro-magnetic shielding, or what?

Do you guys have your Manhattan monitors working with a battery attached?


M. Paul El-Darwish November 1st, 2008 10:36 AM

Uh Oh! Looks like a DIY monitor hood tutorial is being requested. As if I have time. I do owe this forum, where I'm a newbie , at least one freebie before the year is over so look for a tutorial here in about 3 weeks.
Imago Metrics:Toshiba 10.9" DIY Enclosure
Basically
Materials:
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90% opaque thin stretchy black fabric
Corrugated PLASTIC board- any color (this is the structure)
3M Super 77 (General adhesion and Velcro hook to monitor)
2" wide non-self adhesive Velcro
4 minute epoxy (Velcro loop to the inside backs of the hood)
Scissors
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The handy amongst you will know what to do from that, all else will get theirs when I get some bandwidth!


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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis (Post 955987)
No doubt, you are creative with the accessories. What material do you use for the hood? I'm thinking of cutting up a larger hood that I used to use for a CRT.


Gints Klimanis November 2nd, 2008 04:47 PM

Yes, this is definitely necessary outside. My Sony EX1 LCD does a better job in early morning light while the Manhattan LCD is rendered useless by glare. I'll look into getting a hood for the Manhattan and that Hood sock for the LCD. The EX1 viewfinder is now too fuzzy compared to the other LCDs around it.

Alex Raskin November 3rd, 2008 05:18 AM

M. Paul, do you have a photo of the assembled monitor hood?

Can it be folded flat for transportation, to protect monitor's glass and take little space in transit?

Thanks

M. Paul El-Darwish November 14th, 2008 09:31 PM

Holly cow! I'm so late replying to this. How the heck to I set an alarm to notify me of threads I need to respond to?
I have a photo....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/DSCN1609.jpg
Looks way better in real life and do mind my Gaffer's tape trim ok ?;)
Also note my mistake- different angle cuts on the leading corners. I make this one in 20 minutes flat and just failed to match the two sides ( how unprofessional) I'll redo it right for my DIY Tutorial in December.
Yes it folds flat and the way I finish the hood, the back side that goes up against the front of the monitor has concealed indents in it to accomodate the pushbutton array.
I promised to shoot a DIY tutorial but will not be able to deliver on that promise till Mid December at the soonest.


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Originally Posted by Alex Raskin (Post 958970)
M. Paul, do you have a photo of the assembled monitor hood?

Can it be folded flat for transportation, to protect monitor's glass and take little space in transit?

Thanks


Piotr Wozniacki March 14th, 2009 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki (Post 954957)
Just got the Manhattan HD monitor and must say there is no hue shift towards blue - the picture is great even with the standard settings.

I also bought the Tekkeon 3450 battery - very nice and well done device.

I only have one problem: when I velcroed the battery to the monitor's back, the Component input picture disappeared! I was horrified, cause I thought the monitor just broke down - but removing the battery cured it. Lack of electro-magnetic shielding, or what?

Do you guys have your Manhattan monitors working with a battery attached?

As you may remember, Velcro-ing the Tekkeon battery at the back of the monitor doesn't work for me, as - for some reason - the battery interferes with the Component input signal, and the picture is gone. Therefore, I need to place the battery away from the monitor; I have plenty of roo on my tripod setup with rails to mount the battery there. However, the original Tekkeon DC power cable between the battery and the monitor is too short sometimes, so I'd like to make my own lead - what is the type of the plug at battery end of it? Is it proprietary, or can I buy it somewhere (preferrably in EU)?

Another question: sometimes, when I'm using a light, I need to mount another big battery on my tripod rig anyway (I'm using PAG bricks); they have two power outs and it'd be ideal if I could use one of them to power up my HD monitor, rather than be tied to the Tekkeon battery... Unfortunately, my PAG's output is 14.8V - too high for the Manhattan HD monitor to feed it directly. Now, I'm completely lame as far as electricity goes; can you tell me how to decrease the voltage to some 10-12V by preparing a special cable for this purpose (using some resistor or alike...)

Thanks for your help!

Keith Moreau April 13th, 2009 03:18 PM

Piotr, I just got the Manhattan HD089 display to use with my EX1 (component out) and and so far I'm having a hard time getting it even close to being as good as the built-in EX1 LCD.

Besides not being all that sharp (like maybe I can focus slightly better than on the built-in LCD), even with the sharpness turned all the way up, the dynamic range of the monitor seems about 1/2 of the EX1 LCD. I can't get a decently bright image and not have things that are showing up find on the EX1 LCD completely blown out on the Manhattan or in order to see these objects I have to turn the brightness down to nothing.

Do you have some of the settings to share with me on this monitor to get it to give me a good image?

Thanks.

Piotr Wozniacki April 19th, 2009 02:08 PM

Keith,

Sorry for late answer. As to the dynamic range, it happens that I can see sky partially blown out on my 10.9" Manhattan, while on the camera's LCD it's not yet visible. When I ingest such footage into my NLE, it turns out the Manhattan was telling me the truth.

For instance, situations like those discussed in this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-xdca...-clipping.html

- can be prevented using the Manhattan, but may not be noticed without it.

Keith Moreau April 19th, 2009 02:32 PM

Hi Piotr

Thanks for the reply. I worked a little with the Manhattan LCD folks, who are very attentive to tech support questions and have provided me with excellent customer service. One hint they gave me to get better dynamic range out of the monitor and match it up with what the EX1 is sending out is as follows:
  • On the EX1, output color bars
  • On the Manhattan IR Remote:
  • hit source
  • on the remotes numeric keypad type "911"
  • This brings up a service menu
  • Scroll to the page of the menu that lists ADC reset and ADC auto Cal
  • on service menu choose to reset ADC
  • on the service menu ADC auto cal
The monitor will go through some obvious cycling. It seemed the picture was a bit better after doing this procedure.

There are also a number of other options in the service menu. One was to brighten the black level, which produced less crushed blacks and one that helped a bit with better gamma curve on the monitor.

I'm still evaluating the Manhattan monitor for sharpness and other factors. What model do you have and do you have further opinions on it?

Another question Piotr, are you saying that the EX1 LCD is not displaying clipped luma info, that somehow it's somehow displaying more dynamic range than is being recorded? Or is it that your NLE or other monitor isn't displaying a full dynamic range? For example if you do some color correction is there detail left if you bring down the whites or is it severely clipped on the whites?

Thanks again.

Gints Klimanis April 23rd, 2009 03:26 PM

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