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Mike Tapa February 14th, 2009 09:13 AM

In order to design an adaptor which "worked right away"
You would need to know the register of Nikon lenses AND the 'in air' register of the EX3 mount.

Now we all know what the Nikon side of the equation is but at the time I was designing my adaptor, the EX3 in air register was a complete mystery to everyone outside of Sony and as far as I know, still has not been made public. (please correct me if I'm wrong, links?)


Until now, none of these pieces of crucial info has been discussed here other than a piece of tube being the "right length" (I must remember that one for my CAD, the right length ±0.01mm)

So lens register minus camera register = "the right length"

Taking measurements from the 1/2" to EX3 adaptor is no use whatsoever as this contains a glass block which increases the length of the light path depending on glass type and its thickness.

Im not accusing anyone of anything, I'm simply asking a question, as any curious and interested engineer would.

So, I'm still puzzled as to how the missing info was arrived at.

How can anyone Know what the "right length" is without knowing the EX3 register?

I have shared some info here.
As one engineer to another, perhaps Steve would like to explain how he calculated the EX3 register.

Please remember, this is to design an adaptor that works first time.

I don't mean to have a go at anyone here, but if it was so easy to build such devices knowing, at most half the data required, why isn't everyone doing it?

On another note, I would like to thank those who have supported me on here, the numerous emails, and all those who have already taken advantage of my new pricing.

I'm thinking of using a new slogan "now you can afford an original"

Mike Tapa February 14th, 2009 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps (Post 1011892)
I'll tell you one thing that would be good, a really firm locking system on the Nikon end. I've used Nikons on a few cameras in the past, notably Aatons, and the only problem is the fairly naff Nikon lens mount and most specifically its locking mechanism. You can't beat a clamp-type system like PL or the Aaton mount, or even Sony B4, the quick release twist systems with a locking pin that stills cameras use are always very wimpy. I wonder if there would be a way to put some sort of clamp mechanism on there so that you still twist it so the flanges engage, but then a lever applies some sort of clamping to it. It would stop sagging and also twisting during focus/zooming.
Over you to you Steve/Mike/Les!
Steve

I had been working on something similar for Nikon lenses but because there was not enough room on my Nikon to 1/3" adaptor, I put it on the back burner.

Will look at it again for the EX3 and let you know.

Eric Gulbransen February 14th, 2009 11:51 AM

While you're at it Mike, think "G" centric. Not necessarily to replace what you are already selling, but perhaps in addition to. I already have two Nikons that I can't (respectfully) use on the EX3 because of this annoying elimination of Nikon's manual iris control on their new "G" lenses.

And Steve, I couldn't agree more. I completely hate how still lenses move on their OEM mounts. Got to be a better way. And by the way on your telephoto setup, how are you suspending the EX3? (just looked at the photo)

Steve Shovlar February 14th, 2009 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart Wilson (Post 1011949)
If and when I get my EX3 I will probably get a Nikon adapter as well as I have a full set of Nikons finest. My choice will be made simply on the price of the product which does the job. If Steve's and Mike's adapters work, and theres nothing to suggest they dont or wont at this point in time, then the cheapest one will get my business. Simple as.

Theres no room for sentiment in this situation, its business for these guys, pure and simple. As long as theres no copyright or patent infringement then good luck to both parties.

A bit of healthy competition in any market, be it cameras, cars or whatever, never did the end user any harm, its a captive market than allows folk to charge over the odds. Once competition is introduced to a captive market producer, its amazing how quickly they will find a way of lowering their price. Now the cynical amongst us will simpy think they should have sold at a lower price anyway, instead of taking advantage of the lack of competition to charge over the odds for their products.

Stuart


True indeed. We have been making the adaptors all afternoon and they look great. They will be heading off to be anodised early next week and once back and assembled the first ones will be heading out of the door to our happy customers. If you want one of the first batch message me and I will add you to our expanding list. Being on the list puts you under no obligation to buy one, just means you get first refusal after you get to hear the price.

Cheers
Steve

Mike Tapa February 14th, 2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Gulbransen (Post 1012028)
While you're at it Mike, think "G" centric. Not necessarily to replace what you are already selling, but perhaps in addition to. I already have two Nikons that I can't (respectfully) use on the EX3 because of this annoying elimination of Nikon's manual iris control on their new "G" lenses.

And Steve, I couldn't agree more. I completely hate how still lenses move on their OEM mounts. Got to be a better way. And by the way on your telephoto setup, how are you suspending the EX3? (just looked at the photo)

Eric, I'm at the moment working on the electronic interface for the Canon EF version.
At some point after I will look at something similar for the G lenses.

As usual, you will be one of the first to see my new gear, perhaps this time, even before they are officially launched.

Eric Gulbransen February 14th, 2009 01:56 PM

Mike, don't sweat the electronic headaches for the Nikons. I think you can do it mechanically easily enough. Totally different design than Canon's EOS situation. I'll send you a pic.

Bob Grant February 14th, 2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps (Post 1011921)
Don't understand that at all, there's no good reason not to use clamping systems. Canon FD used to have a breach-lock clamp mechanism before they phased them out and used bayonet instead (same mount and same lenses though) so no reason why not. Only speed of use is an issue.

Steve

Of course there's no good reason not to use a clamping system. Use the wrong alloys and/or finishes in that system and things can get stuck. Needing a mallet to get a lens out of a mount kind of reduces the speed advantage.
Lenses and mounts are generally designed as a system, the materials used can be as vital as the dimensions.

Steve Phillipps February 14th, 2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Gulbransen (Post 1012028)
And by the way on your telephoto setup, how are you suspending the EX3? (just looked at the photo)

I'm not actually using the EX3, just got it to look at and bolted the kit together shoot a few tests. So for this it was just hagning off the back of the lens, but if I were to use one I'd probably get a plate made as I do with the full-size cameras.
Steve

Steve Phillipps February 14th, 2009 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Grant (Post 1012143)
Of course there's no good reason not to use a clamping system. Use the wrong alloys and/or finishes in that system and things can get stuck. Needing a mallet to get a lens out of a mount kind of reduces the speed advantage.
Lenses and mounts are generally designed as a system, the materials used can be as vital as the dimensions.

Nonsense, never had a problem in years with PL, Aaton and B4. The good reason to use it is for strength and lack of movement in the mount. Maybe my requirements are more stringent than yours!
Steve

Bob Grant February 14th, 2009 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps (Post 1012147)
Nonsense, never had a problem in years with PL, Aaton and B4. The good reason to use it is for strength and lack of movement in the mount. Maybe my requirements are more stringent than yours!
Steve

Sorry but I fail to see what we're disagreeing on!

Of course PL mounts are rock solid, I never said otherwise. Of course they're designed for and have strength and lack of movement.

Derek Reich February 14th, 2009 06:24 PM

Mike,
I'll be eagerly awaiting your Canon EF adapter if you are able to make one work! You have my contact information. I'll save the money I was going to spend on some Nikkor glass and use it for an EF adapter as I already have lots of Canon EF glass. This is the 'holy grail' for me. And after buying and using your Nikon adapter, I know the quality will be first-rate.
cheers

Mike Tapa February 14th, 2009 10:52 PM

Derek, of course.

Will add your email address to the list


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