More EX1 issues...boooo...
 

1. I feel like I can never pan the camera slowly (or medium speed). When I pan slowly the camera completely distorts at 24p or 30p.

2. My shallow focus sometimes shows a doubled image only half blurred.

3. The shutter speed at 1/48th (I want the film look darn it - is that so wrong?) is WAY TOO MUCH and doesn't look filmmy at all...it looks like I'm using a cheesy special effect (but 1/60th is not quite enough)

4. FLICKER...it seems like every other shot I take there is an ubsurd amount of flicker (in daylight)...anyone know how to stop this...I really think its a manufacturing defect...

Does anyone else have these problems? Or has this dead horse been beatin on already?

Can you post some clips of these phenomena?

Maybe we can figure out what's happening.

how do I do that again? what!? I'm a greenhorn...never posted stuff...

What are you viewing the footage on? The LCD Screen of the EX ?
What are you editing on? Can you capture jpeg stills from the timeline and post to show this double image? Its easy to do here.
Sounds like its stuck in some kind of slow shutter mode. But Im no expert. Might be worth reseting whole camera to factory settings, then set shutter to on,1/48 again.

Chris,

Just export a couple of frame grabs from your NLE. Then here at DVinfo just look down below the "reply to thread" box and you'll see the "additional options" box. Click on "manage attachments". Select one of the "choose file" buttons and a dialogue box will come up where you can navigate to the picture on your hard drive. Select the picture(s) and attach them to your post. Consider down scaling the pictures before you attach them to keep the file sizes manageable. They'll take up less room on the DVinfo server. If the pictures aren't already in JPEG format then convert them to reduce the file size even further.

- Don

Chris, is this your first full HD real progressive camera? It seems to me you are in need of some classes on how to shoot with a 24p or film camera. All the complains you listed are typical of somebody used to shoot video trying to use a film camera or 24p one. 24p as film in 24fps will flicker if you don't know how to pan it. There's no dead horse here really. The EX1 has/had some first run issues just like any camera. But what you are describing sounds like operator error. Really, a 1/48 shutter is a 1/48 shutter, not much around that. The only reason to find it too much is if you're used to 60i video. Sony has been making cameras for decades and they make the highest end camera in the HD market. I'm pretty sure they would know what a 1/48 shutter is. :)
Good luck!

You do not need to post clips this is well known - I get same thing. This camera will not pan, even very slowly, any vertical lines (my reported problem was with trees) when in a progressive mode. Try 60i and I think you may be able to get away with it.

I've been editing hours upon hours of 24P from the EX1, it sure looks like good old 24P to me.

Please post an image. We can only "guess" what you are seeing. Maybe there's an issue with your camera.

Please see the first shot of my film and examine the vertical lines during the pan--this was shot in 24p mode. I saw no problems.

http://web.mac.com/chupap/Films/tablemannerslarge.html

Great scene Charles, very nicely shot - and good to see that you, like Mrs. Green, had no problem with the verticals.

Great scene. I get the same lines with mine too. Mine does it in 60i

What lines?

There could be a problem with his videoplayer.
I had a strange problem with ZoomPlayer and Haalis Media Renderer, which uses Pixelshader2.0 for up- and downscaling.

The scaling produced ugly artifacts when panning. Fixed it by scaling using ffdshow codec.
Don't know why....


regards Dennis

I'm with Steven here - I don't see any lines - the image looks perfect to me.

Perhaps some of Chris Aaron's issues are due to his PC/software and not the camera?

Very, very nice! I love it. What were your camera settings? Processing?

JoJo Gunn

Looks perfect on mine too - certainly a problem with your playback there Greg!

well that clip settles it...I think the shutter speed is correct on it, it just looks unnatural which is the same it looks on mine...it definitely doesn't look like film...it goes from being too sharp to too blurry...and I think the panasonic handles motion blur more photo-realistically...but if noone else notices then I'll learn to love my camera. Actually I already love it. I've just been a little pissy lately cause I had to send it back for a manufacturing defect. I think one reason the panasonic looks better at motion blurring is because panasonic's image isn't as sharp.

I would not trust anything for motion viewed on a LOT of computer displays, including my own. LOL

My final format which is either Blu-ray or DVD, motion looks great. It certainly does not look any different than my other 24P footage I've been editing over the years.

If anything, it look more film like, probably due to holding up well for color grading and low video noise.

I hope...I admit I have yet to see any footage on DVD (and don't have a blu-ray)...but I did pull out some old films on 16mm and compared the motion blur on my monitor...DVD's of 16mm film on my monitor look spot on...footage from the freakin dvx look good too...but with my EX1 footage the motion blur is becoming an eye sore and I can't pay attention to stuff...cause the whole time I'm thinking "god damn" this blurry and choppy...but I will burn a DVD tomrow and hopefully it will prove I have developed a huge psychological urge to dis sony for having inconvenienced me (cause I had to return the camera and pay half of shipping - and $86 isn't chicken feed)...

:D

Chris - make sure you have the shutter on and set to 1/48 (or 180°) if you want to duplicate the film (and HVX) look.

Unlike the HVX, "shutter off" on the EX1 means 1/24 shutter. "Shutter on" goes to whatever you set it to. And 1/48 is the standard shutter for film at 24fps.

The EX1 is shipped from Sony with the shutter switched off.

HAHH! I can't tell if your trying to give me helpful advice or if you're mocking me...I am aware of the shutter switch...thanks Eric...

:D

He's trying to help you. We don't mock anyone around here.

When in doubt, always assume that the best intentions were in play.