I presume you calibrate and profile your monitor on a regular basis? Colours can drift in a very short time, more so with CRT than LCD screens. I use a Spyder Pro at least once a week justy to keep things as accurate as possible.

Yes I do. This new profile has come about after seeing my footage in various screening situations. Do remember vincent that computer monitors have different gammas to video monitors.

Vincent, I hope you're using a Spyder2 calibrator. The original had a lot of "issues".

No, Dave I am using the Spyder 3. I also use a Gretag i-one amongst others which are knocking about the studio. I re-callibrate every other day.

Here is a link to my short review of the Spyder 3

Spyder 3 review

Every other day??? What kind of monitor are you using?

I am now using a pair of 24" Samsung monitors, these are very stable and probably don't need profiling every other day. I actually profile once a week when I am not printing. When printing I profile before every job, this is mainly limited edition Fine Art printing rather than video editing.

I tried Andy's HD Norm profile with my HMC-150 and the scopes matched perfectly. I was surprised. The 2 cameras work well together. Great job Andy.

Or instead try the Pana HVX settings also posted in this thread - they look way better than the Vortex settings. Perhaps the Vortex settings are good if you want to fiddle with colors in the post, while my experience with the HVX PP-s is that most of the time no need to adjust color, the images look fantastic without touching them.

Edit: I just noticed that the HVX settings are quoted above my post. So you can easily find what I was talking about.

I am new on this network and mainly was interested in joining b/cause of the picture profile (PP) threads...

There is a lot of info/pages already - and I am a little overwhelmed by all of it - so, I am wondering what PP came out of Paul Cronin's thread already in 2008 (January 7th):

Right now, I am using a filter called "movie color" in post production to achieve a quite similar goal.

I am living and working in Mali, West-Africa though, where the sun is bright and surroundings are desert-y (a lot of brauns)...

Thanks for any input!

BTW, I am shooting with the Sony PMW-EX1

I decided to load up a few of the Panny/HVX picture profile settings. I did a shoot with one a couple of nights ago with the Cine V picture profile. I could hardly contain myself. Seemed so weird having the lush saturated Panny look in the Sony viewfinder.

Is there anyone here that is well versed in these Panasonic profiles and could sum up their intended use or look?

Anybody anything on my question from March, 24th? A direction to an answer would be more than OK too...

I am looking for a movie color picture profile (as described in thread March, 24th)
or more like a "film look" ....but than for a Sony PMW-EX1...

Thanks for any help in this!

Hi,
i am using the ex1r and i am a wedding videographer.
Mostly i am using the dvcam 50.
I am wondering if a PP will be the same for HD and DvCam.
Thanks

Sony tips
 

Here is a site with a number of Picture Profile suggestions. I apologize if this has been posted before but I didn't see it, if it was.

SONY XDCAM EX

Try number 2.

SONY XDCAM EX

try this

DOUG'S PRESET

MATRIX:

SETTING: ON
SELECT: HIGH SAT
LEVEL: 0
PHASE: 0
R-G: 0
R-B: 0
G-R: 0
G-B: 0
B-R: 0
B-G: 0

COLOR CORRECTION:

SETTING: OFF
AREA DETECTION
AREA INDICATION: OFF
TARGET PHASE: 130
TARGET WIDTH: 40
LEVEL: 0

WHITE:

OFFSET WHITE: OFF
OFFSET: 0
OFFSET: 0
OFFSET: 0
PRESET WHITE: 5600

DETAIL:

SETTING: ON
LEVEL: 0
FREQUENCY: 0
CRISPENING: 0
H/V RATIO: 0
WHITE LIMITER: 0
BLACK LIMITER: 0
V DTL CREATION: Y
KNEE APT LEVEL: 0

SKIN TONE DETAIL:

SETTING: OFF
LEVE: 0
AREA DETECTION
AREA INDICATION: OFF
SATURATION: 0
PHASE: 130
WIDTH: 40

KNEE:

NOTHING

GAMMA:

LEVEL: 0
SELECT: CINE4

BLACK: -3
BLACK GAMMA: -2
LOW KEY SAT: 0


or that

Bills new tc2

Matrix ...............on
Select................hisat
Level..................0
Phase.................-5
R-G...................75
R-B...................0
G-R...................-18
G-B...................-32
B-R...................-27
B-G...................13

Gamma Level.............. 0 (changed from -40)
Gamma Select.............CINE1 (any of the gamma curves will preserve the proper color calibration, but I prefer cine 1 for the most latitude/filmy look)
Black..........................-3 (the min setting for BLACK I now recommend is -3 or -4.)
Black Gamma..............0

Thanks Jim, I will try this option today...did not see this before today...

@ Docea, is this an answer to my question too? not sure :)

p.s.
Where can I change the option of receiving an e-mail when some body replying to my thread?
I searched but could not find it so far ...

I can't find the option either. I don't think there is one....I wish there was one.

@ Jim

OK, so it is not me...thanks for the use full website ... it does look a bit more complicated than the presets Docea gave, for a PP starter like me, but I'll do my best :)

Near the top, on the right, "Thread Tools", "Subscribe to this Thread".

and under Quick Links at the top you can manage your subscribed threads. If you want to change from email notification to something else, open forum and re-subscribe using a different option...

Thanks guys, helpful...

Hi there has anyone got any suggestions on a PP for lightning storms?

Hi Greg,

If anyone would it would probably be Alister Chapman. He pretty much captures storms for a living and produces some incredible images. Do a search of the forum first and see if there have been any previous posts.

Garrett

Although I normally shoot fireworks and some easy daylight filmings on the firing areas only I promised to help some friends next weekend at a belly dance on stage with colored lights at evening. So I will shoot their show from behind the audience and I stuck with the settings for my EX1R. I do not find an appropriate indoor setting when I search the forums or in the collection.

What I've found was this one from Oliver Neubert:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1455035

And I do like very much a profile from Alister Chapman for bright daylight, which I use outdoors:
So, when I try to combine somehow, it would result in this:

Gain: -3db (I like the smoother image with less noise then with 0db)

Matrix: On
Select: Cinema
Level: 0

CC: off

Detail: on
Level: -8
Frequency: +30
Crispening: +20

Gamma: +-0
Select: CINE4

Black Gamma + 25
Black: -1 (I use this at fireworks and it has less noise than Black: 0 without darkening the image to much)

I will film in 1080/50i with Shutter 180°, ATW (I know, its so bad, but how should I do a manual WB when I film from 30m distance?). I film in 1080i because this is accepted for Blu-ray and I am afraid of fast movments of some dancing groups, so I avoid 1080/24p. I have to downconvert to PAL-DVD too, but this I do often.

So, please, can someone help me if my settings are somehow adequate or am I on the total wrong way?!

Thanks a lot for any hint, I want to give them clear images with all the deep colors and glittering of their costumes and colored lights.

Markus

For lightning I use standard gamma 3 with the knee set to manual at 90. I preset the white balance to 4300k for night shooting, 5600k for daylight. The more important thing is to use the slowest shutter speed you can get away with to avoid partial exposures. In daylight I shoot 25P (24P or 30P may be more appropriate for NTSC regions) with no shutter. At night I use a 2 frame slow shutter with gain at -3db.

Thanks everyone!
This info will be used hopefully on a trip to Alberta this summer! Praying for some bad weather....crazy huh ?

Alberta in June is a good area for Supercells and even the odd tornado, Only problem is the lack of roads that makes getting close hard.

I lived in Edmonton during the time the big tornado went through... very ugly. The hail was as big as my fist and I don't have small hands. Those were in turn spotted like a mace with smaller ice chunks. They hit the hot pavement and either stuck or leave large dents.
There are oil service roads criss crossing a majority of Alberta. One every mile or so. I would have thought that would be sufficient to get in pretty darn close :) They are usually gravel but more than passable even with a car at most times of the year.

My first PP for EX1R
 

In german

Wolfgangs VideoBlog - EX1R Picture Profile

PP for EX3
 

Hello everyone!,
I would like to apologize to the person I took and used excel table from in this thread. I am so lazy and that excel table so well prepared I couldn't resist. I am sorry and I Thank you!
Wolfgang, Thank you for taking the time to post your findings too.
Wolfgang, I also took the liberty to transfer and post your settings for EX1R to the excel table first column in light blue. The second column in white is your settings modified (in orange) to fit my taste for EX3 and the fourth column in yellow is my settings for a film look on EX3. Please feel free to load them in your system and look at them in your vectorscope and if you do, please let me know what your conclusion is please.

Please, anyone, take a look at this settings and please comment. Feel free to try them.
Of course my film look settings for the White Preset will vary depend on the situation (indoor/outdoor/outdoor very bright/florescent/tungsten).
Thank you
Luben

Also, please try under Wolfgang's/modified Matrix, Phase 9 - change to -5... I like it much better, but forgot to do the column...

My PP change to version 1.03

Wolfgangs VideoBlog - EX1R Picture Profile

Vectorscop with colorchart

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/14.jpg

Wolfgang you have done some really good work here using an interesting combination of settings. Must be nice to have scopes of that quality. I have been going through your website using a translation engine.

A few things I am unclear about. It appears you did some work on a profile and then revised it but it is unclear to me, if you have 2 profiles in development or if you are modifying just one profile and documenting the changes as you go. There is also a place where you use the "FL Light" setting instead of "High Sat" and so on. Do you recall why you went with "FL Light"?

It's only one PP! The version 1.03 is current.

FL Light has the best color vectorangel on the vectorscop for my EX1R. Here a picture of 3 PP:

top without PP, my -3dB PP v1.03,

then this PP:

Matrix: On
Select: Cinema
Level: +35
CC: off
Detail: on
Level: -8
Frequency: +30
Crispening: +20
Gamma: +-0
Select: CINE1
Black: -4

<Also, please try under Wolfgang's/modified Matrix, Phase 9 - change to -5... I like it much better, but forgot to do the column... >

Thats not correct!! You can not change the matrix from "FL Light" to "cinema" with my color value, this colorspace is very wrong!!!!

My new EX1R S-Log Picture Profil, see the attach picture (my second PP), +1 - +1,5 F-Stop

What is S-Log? Wide Dynamic Range, here the F23 Sample: YouTube - Sony F23 Camera

Wolf, is this the entire profile?
Do EX1R profiles work on an EX1?

<Wolf, is this the entire profile?>

no.....no.

here is the "-3dB" Profil:

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp02.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp03.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp04.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp05.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp06.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp07.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp08.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp09.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp10.jpg

http://www.fxsupport.de/pic/2010/pp/pp11.jpg

<Do EX1R profiles work on an EX1? >

I do not know it.

"S-LOG" and "Casablanca" PP comes later.....

Some initial impressions of Wolfgang's v1.03 PP...

Very nice rich blacks with a bump in the highlights. The shadow detail in the blacks is more visible than some of the other PPs around, such as the RC and TC PPs, as well as the CINE V "Panny" profile. With some quick tests I noticed the darker Blue-Greens were richer but overall a neutral profile from a colour perspective. If I were to characterize it in comparison to another profile probably the best reference would be the lush CINE V profile that emulates the rich and deep Panisonic look that you get on their cameras but without the hyped up greens and yellows that are so typical of Panasonic's colour palette. As mentioned Wolfgang's 1.03 PP has more shadow detail but rich blacks. I'd say this is a huge plus for this profile.

These comments are just impressions based on half an hour of taking shots both inside under tungsten lighting conditions and outside with overcast skies.

The major colour "yanking" (adjustment) has me a bit concerned and I did notice some major twitter happening in the midrange but only visible on the historgram built into the EX3 I am using.

So far I really like this profile and think it has use both indoors and in daylight situations.

<Some initial impressions of Wolfgang's v1.03 PP...>

Testpicture?

In the next time comes the new S-LOG PP and the wonderfull black/white Profil in the design from "Casablanca" Bluray.

I use EX3
 

Hello Wolfgang and Andrew,
Yes, I did try Wolf's PP1.03 today too and its good just as you said Andrew. I am not a DOP and I really appreciate what Wolfgang has done. We all would benefit from his talent, time, effort and of course the equipment he uses.

Thank you
Luben