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But what about these:

Sony NEX-VG900 (Full frame camcorder)
Sony SLT-A99 (Full frame DSLR)
Sony DSC-RX1 (full frame fixed compact)

It seems the only missing item in Sonys' full frame line-up now is a video camera with pro codec and inputs/outputs.

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The cameras above are nothing to do with pro video. The A99 and the RX1 are stills cameras that have a video feature thrown in. The VG900 is a semi-pro camera designed to provide a conventional camcorder form factor with a video system like the currently available SLRs.
All three of them have front ends that are based on Sony's existing large volume full frame stills sensor. The methods of resolution reduction give results that fall far short of the F3's performance in terms of sampling artifacts. Any limitations of the F3's XDCAM on-board codec are easily overcome by external recorders connected to the SDI port. The compromises in the above cameras' front ends cannot be removed by any codecs.
Any progress towards a full-frame VIDEO camera with genuine professional performance would require a new sensor with resolution matched to the intended video standard, with the correct OLPF. Just like the super 35 sensor designed fro the F3 and FS100, rather than the market-led kludge of the VG10/20/30/900 using stills cameras sensors. Such a sensor would similarly not compromise low-light sensitivity as its phot-sites would inevitable be larger than those on a 24M pix stills sensor.
I feel that such a sensor would be:
a) very expensive as the world market would be quite low
and
b) some time away as there is probably a limited demand for full frame cameras.

Steve

p.s. I could be wrong, but remember, Sony is a company that only develops products that it can see a return from.

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Ned, after briefing, are you going to buy one?

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God I hope not.

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Uh.. Damn.. If this is it I will be putting down some cash soon myself! :)

I however think it is a nice prank on what someone would like to see.

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God I hope not. The F3 rear EVF used as a main EVF, now that would be a step back to the dark ages.

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+1 on that. It was just too funny to not share.

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I guess you guys weren't fans of the good old Canon XL series?

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You mean the camera that launched this very site...?!

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Boy the good old days.

(I mean they are still pretty good don't get me wrong)

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Depends upon finances. I would very much like to buy one.

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Ain't that the catch-cry of the age!

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New Tweet Friday 10/19- first time I have seen High Frame Rate

The Future, Ahead of Schedule | October 30, 2012 “High Frame Rate”

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This is going to be interesting.

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The new F54k right?

:p

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There is no F54. That is an internet joke that went awry with people actually taking it seriously. I won't tell you what it is, but I will tell that the F54 it isn't.

Ned

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I read Dennis comment more as "F5 - 4k" than "F54", so the actual model number to just be "F5". No idea whether or not it's correct, but it would be logical.......

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Yea the F54 was an internet joke that @hingsberg made, pretty good one too. How far is it from the real thing? We'll find out soon.

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Patience, everybody. Oct 30 will be here before you know it.

I hope everyone also noticed Peter's tweet about high frame rate ;)

Ned

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Here's a little glimpse:

Sony | Product Catalog Cameras - Cine Production

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So it's going to be a Cinealta camera.

My presumptions:

- 4K capable, possibly externally. I doubt they would be promoting it as "the future" without 4K.
- S35 sized sensor.
- PL mount but hopefully interchangeable like the F3.
- High frame rates, given the FS700, I'm guessing at least 240fps at 1080p.

I'm wondering:
- XDCAM HD onboard for broadcast master recording or cinema proxies.
- Will there be a RAW option given the FS700 will eventually have this.
- Formfactor - PLEASE no more "palmcorder" bricks!
- Presuming it sits below the F65, where will the compromises be to keep it from stealing high end sales.

Price:
- Possibly more of a C500/Red competitor, coming in above the F3 in the product line.

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Sony have already released the following info:

4K
50 Mb/s 4:2:2
High Frame Rates

...and the picture looks like it's got a similar PL adaptor to the F3,
...so most of your presumptions look spot on!

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Sounds expensive..

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[QUOTE=Mike Marriage;1759923]So it's going to be a Cinealta camera.

I think you might be surprised!

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Sure does.

Based upon that new pic, it looks like a shoulder mount design, similar to the PMW-500. Not exact, but close. You can also see the vent ports.

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+1 on the surprise

I don't know how much more Sony is going to let slip over the next week. But as I've been saying, we're looking at a big step forward.

Ned

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God I hope it's a shoulder mount and not a bloated, tall DSLR body like the C500...
Somebody give me a sign!

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...more than one camera maybe. Looking forward to being surprised.

Let's hope we are reaching a point where cameras will be "good enough" and we can stop buying new ones every 2-3 years. Much like has happened in audio.

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Does anybody else think the camera in the picture has a metal body? Definitely a step up from the F3 if that's the case. And probably $20k+.

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I believe it has already happened in 2006.

Judging from that picture it looks like it is a new camera with non-removable lens.

It's the Scarlet story all over again.

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Those who have seen it say it is definitely NOT a fixed lens camera.

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That statement makes me chuckle.

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https://twitter.com/CineAltaNews/sta...03974266949632

Just now on twitter

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You just like making stuff up, don't you? :-)

There's a PL mount ear clearly visible in the pic.

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Ned, can you speak about any upcoming F3 firmware updates? Is there one coming? Just before the NewF twitter post, Peter mentioned a firmware update.

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Peter told me last week that there will be 1.5 firmware update, the date of which and content of which he would not discuss.

So while I am totally in the light on the NewF, I am totally in the dark on F3 firmware.

Ned

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Why's that?

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If it is 1920x1080 ( not to mention 4K)at 422 50MBs, isn't still much more compressed than Pro Res 422 at 117 MBs or even LT at over 80? Does this mean its only 8 Bit to the card?

I haven't worked with the Alexa, but isn't that Pro Res right to the SxS card. Sounds like my new Samurai might still have a job?

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I'd say yes. 8 bit MPEG2, even at 50mbit is not quite like 10 bit ProResHQ.

It's looking though like there are going to be some interesting Sony piggyback recorder options though, especially if they follow some of what they've done on the F65. I've been reading F65 manuals all night, trying not to get my hopes up too much with what that camera does in 1080p modes.

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Yes better than 4:2:0 35, but not a huge difference. If Alexa can record Pro Res why in the world would Sony leave that out? Electronics can't be that complicated if a Samurai costs $1600.