Sony HDR-FX7 is out!!
 

Here it is

http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/P...00609/06-0907/

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

Sorry, I thought I was linking to a translated page. You need to Copy the address and paste into the like above for english translation.

Translated Page.. used google lang.tools instead


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have fun folks!

Basic specs:
3x CMOS 960x1080 Sensors (60i only, no mention of any Cineframe modes)
8lux at 1/60
20X Optical Zoom (37.4～748mm 35mm equiv, f1.6-2.8)
3.5" LCD with 211k pixels, 1.6x the contrast/saturation of FX1
40% smaller and 25% lighter than FX1 (1.4kg vs 1.9kg)
4x Slow-motion shoot (240 fields/sec taken for 6sec and replayed over 24sec)
Picture profiles (up to 6), HDMI output

Wow, this is exciting. Looks like it has the following features:

- 1080i (1440x1080)
- 3CMOS sensors
- 20x lens (F1.6-3.9)
- 8 lux for low light
- something about the body being 25% smaller and 40% lighter (I think)
- iris ring is on the lens body
- LCD is 1.5% somethinger than the FX1's (I think higher contrast?). It's also on the body, not on top like the FX1
- 6 picture profiles, shot transition
- HDMI output
- memory stick for recording stills

"With 240 fields, it records the image approximately 6 seconds in 1 seconds which are 4 times that normality photographing as smooth slow motion image of approximately 24 seconds"

That's translated from Japanese. I have no clue what it means.


I'm guessing there's no XLR and it sort of looks like there's no focus ring.

I'm really excited for the new Z1 (Z7, perhaps?). But I own a Z1 and it being the first 'prosumer' camera I've owned, it's a bit depressing seeing something new come out. Oh well, I'm happy with my camera.


Jason beat me to it!

According to my exchange rate conversion, the street price is estimated by Sony to be around 3250 Dollars (excl. sales tax).
Taking the usual EUR - Dollar cam-price relations, it'll be approx 3200 EUR for us Europeans (including VAT).

But again, this is only based on the 380 000 YEN quoted at the bottom of the page.

dissapointing resolution (only 960x1080 sensor).
same gadget than the HC3 (slow motion is lower resolution, so probably hardly usefull)
loosing the nice LCD on top of camera (back to the VX2000 design)
poor resolution on still picture (anyway who needs that on a video camera)
filter thread size is 62mm ??? why the hell they do not keep the 58mm of VX2000 family or 72mm of the fx1 ?
component output on D1/D3 connector like the JVC HD1.

i think the FX1 will not loose its value so fast.

Pricing info
 

Yodobashi now has the FX7 listed for 378,000yen, minus 10% back in store points which can be used on future purchases. At the current exchange rate, that's about US$3250 or $2930 after points. For reference, that's slightly CHEAPER than their current FX1 price (385,200yen), and even that is quite a bit higher than what the Akihabara box pushers are asking.

I have seen a Sony model list that listed this camera months ago, and a few more, I assume this year.

This looks a bit poor to be the FX2, so, is this just a cheap version? It is a pity they don't offer uncompressed progressive out, looks interesting.

Rolling shutter artifact?
 

IF it uses the current Sony implementation of CMOS sensors, it may well have a rolling shutter.

This would indeed be a downgrade from the FX1!

I am puzzled to where this camera will slot into the marketplace. Hopefully the image is better than the FX1.

No real progressive (not even fake progressive for that matter, no extensive image control, no native 16/9...I wouldn't sell my FX1 to buy one of these. For the money they are asking I would rather buy the Canon A1 without a doubt. I truly hope Panasonic comes up with something fast.

1080i is 16x9.

Unless you're referring to something else.

This camera reminds me of the Sony VX1 and those are great memories.

http://www.camcorderservice.nl/bodyvx1.htm

Could you tell us a bit more?

cheers

Hans

Now they need to come out with a deck that has outputs that are worth a darn(the 15 and the 25 are a step forward but still kids toys) or a camera that shoots the big HDV tapes. How about a Z17U which has XLR connectors a 20 by zoom, shoots big HDV tapes and a deck similar to the DSR30. Come on Sony you produce a DVcam size HDV tape give us a way to aquire footage on them(a camera) with a serious 4by4 truck type deck, our editors are begging for it.

Looks like the FX7 adds still photo recording which can be activated while the video is running, and something about a 'super slo-mo mode' which records 240 fields per second for up to 24 seconds. Plus an HDMI output for easier connection to an HDTV, which is a big improvement compared to what you have to do with previous HDV cameras. I wish I'd known this was coming last year because I could use the 20X zoom lens, but I don't think I'll be trading in either of my FX1s for one of these just yet.

Overall this looks like an attempt to make the FX1 more suitable for 'Uncle Charlie' videographers, who will appreciate the photo mode and other such features. With my HC1 I enjoy being able to capture a still photo while recording video.

Bah. I own an FX1 and bought it when they just came out. It's a great machine and has lasted well for almost 2 years now. So far, the only camera being released that looks like an all around improvement on that design for that price point is the Canon XH-A1.

No progressive modes at all? Faked or otherwise? Sheesh.

-Steve

Steve,

Keep in mind, Canon isn't offering progressive either, just 24f and 30f. Also, everyone, remember that the FX series is consumer, not pro. This is just the next generation of higher-end Sony consumer HDV cameras.

I for one am excited--3 CMOS is very cool!

heath

Double bah. The bottom line is that workflow with the 24F, 30F, or even CF30 and CF24 is the same as the workflow for progressive imagery. All the "P" means is that the vertical resolution may be somewhat compromised. Considering Panasonic claims a "P" by using 1/4 resolution CCDs and 2/3 resolution codecs, CF/F/P means nothing except for the fact that images are not interlaced wwhen recorded.

I have used CF30 and CF24 on my FX1 to great success, and appreciate the tremendous conveinence and workflow improvements. Anyone who says "you can always deinterlace the 1080i to 1080p" clearly has too much time on there hands, and likes spending literally tens of hours waiting for their computer to crunch through the data for almost neglibible* improvements in image quality.

I'm not particularly interested in a "consumer vs pro" argument. Some cameras have features, others don't. Canon is offering more features at the same price point.

-Steve

*unless of course, the camera is completely static and nothing is moving... which, could be better simulated with a still camera ;)

lux rating is 8?
 

The lux rating is 8 ???!!! Am I reading that right? That's horrible! How can they call this a replacement for the VX2100??

Japan for some reason has a different way of quoting the lux rating, rest of the world should = 4 to 5

Now I'm reading on camcorderinfo.com that the lux rating is a 4, which is a step down from the FX1 -- and the FX1 was at least two stops slower than a PD-170. Who is going to buy this new camera??

From camcorderinfo.com: "Additionally, Canon's XH A1 features many advanced manual controls specifically targeting filmakers. While the FX7 is very close in price, only $500 less at $3,500, it makes no attempt to compete with Canon in the indie market. Rather, it appears that Sony is plainly attempting to compete on price and portability for the news and event videography crowd."

Well I've got news for Sony: if the lowlight ability is as bad as it sounds, targeting event videographers was a HUGE miscalculation. One of the biggest reasons the PD and VX lines were successes was their industry-leading lowlight abilities, essential for wedding and event videographers. To take a step back is a remarkably bad idea.

Looks to me like everyone will be going with the Canon line, or sticking with the FX1 and Z1. Very disappointing.

Reading Camcorderinfo's article I saw 2 points of interest.... "it is not a replacement for the FX-1"

Also the comparison chart has at least one mistake. The lens size is listed as 72mm for the FX7 and 60mm for the FX-1. It is just the opposite,

Let the dust settle before getting too excited.

But, yes, it is interesting for anyone who has not yet entered the world of HD.
But nothing for FX-1 or Z1 owners to feel disappointed about.... that they didn't wait.

The fact still remains that there is NO replacement on the horizon for the Z1 (or the FX1 for that matter)

It's consumer, and a great one at that. Saying the FX7 is in competition with the Canon is ridiculous.

I love the Z1, it's still a solid camera.

heath

Saying that this camera is "consumer" is hardly a defense for it's lack of reasonable features. Oh, and a little reminder... it MSRP's for $3500!!! Little pricey for a feature-lacking "consumer" camera.

I'm not defending it, I'm explaining it's consumer. If Sony's Consumer arm to making a camera, I'm sure it's going to be more consumer-oriented. This camera, though $3500 (in Japan, there's been NO announcement for the USA as far as I can tell), seems to follow in the steps of the HC3--more user-friendly for consumers (more auto features, etc.).

BUT, 3 CMOS is exciting!

heath

BTW: the equivalent replacement for the Z1 - is the V1 (SonyBiz link).

Now that's more like it! And I agree that the CMOS is exciting... so far in the single-sensor cameras it hasn't been as clean/crisp, but the power consumption is nice and the 3-CMOS looks very promising.

Using Canopus Edius I don't think it would take any longer to render 1080/60i HDV source to 1080p output than it would to render 1080/30f HDV source to 1080p output. Just change the project setting to 1080p and the i/p conversion takes place "on the fly."

As far as the FX7 is concerned, I agree it's no competition for the XH-A1, which may now become the camera to have for affordable HD event work. The only question is how the XH-A1 will compare to the FX1/FX7/Z1U in low-light situations, which I'm guessing will be a tossup. In my tests the Canon XL-H1 was slightly more sensitive than the FX1 but with much more noticeable image grain: I can boost FX1 footage in post to levels I wouldn't try with the Canon. But given that the XH-A1 has XLR inputs and a 20X zoom lens for under $4K, it will probably be very popular for event videographers.

Sony offers the cleanest image, esp. with gain.

heath

Is this only going to be released in Europe? Is there any more information on this one?

Edit - NEver mind - found the info.

Maybe on their cameras with CCDs, but certainly not CMOS - the HC1/A1 absolutely fall apart at more than 3-6db. The HC3 seems a little better, but I still don't think it compares to an equivalent CCD. I'm assuming part of the reason for going with the lower res CMOS (versus the one used in the HC1/A1) is because it will allow for greater sensitivity with less gain in low light situations.

1 CCD falls apart, too, but 3 CDDs are great. So I'm guessing 3 CMOS will be great for low light, too.

heath

Sony probably found a way to use CMOS to make clean gain that puts it into vx2100 range.

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...ro+camera.html

here is more pics

You may be right, the gain on the FX1 is quite good, maybe it's even better with these new cams. I sure hope so, I'd love to stay with Sony. The PD/VX series has been fantastic.

We could expect an AVCHD cam coming soon with a 3CMOS and 1920x1080... and possibly true progressive and 1080p60

(sorry if this is a wishlist.)

Wow, seems to me Sony missed the mark on this one. Who's gonna buy it? The feature set is not attractive to the semi-pros; it's too expensive for the casual enthusiast. 1/4" CCDs. Non-native 16:9 chips? Why would they do that on a 16:9 format like HDV? MSRP $3500 (but it has to street for under $2800 or else people will just buy the FX1).

Let's see some innovation. I want a low-cost tapeless HD format. 4GB SD cards are cheap these days. Affordable 8, 16, 32GB cards can't be far away. Panasonic scored big on the HVX, and I think they'll do it again with AVC-Intra.

Link to more info:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...CMOS-Chips.htm

AVC, to Sony, is consumer-only.

HDV is tape-based only (with some exceptions, like FireStore and Sony's new digital capture device).

heath