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Wolfgang Winne October 20th, 2009 01:12 AM

New PMW-350, EX1R camcorders and SxS media announced
 
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Sony : XDCAM EX, PMW-350, PMW-EX1R Reviewed : Other



New EX1R + PMW350

Sean Seah October 20th, 2009 01:54 AM

its nice to see the HD-SDI there and the improvement in the ergonomics.

Greg Boston October 20th, 2009 01:57 AM

So it's now official on Sony's site. The PMW-350 is a 2/3 inch shoulder mount camera recording to SxS cards. The supplied viewfinder is kind of a new wrinkle on the EX3 in that it lifts up, but from a line parallel to the camera body, leaving the operator with a side-view LCD screen. A smaller LCD (not color or capable of showing video) appears towards the back, giving audio and other status information.

The back of the camera looks pretty much like the back of the other 3XX series XDCAM cameras as far as i/o goes. However, this camera has the slot receiver mount built in and supports the new dual-channel digital slot receiver from Sony.

The specially designed Fujinon lens has the same auto-manual sliding focus ring as the EX series cameras. But the lens mount is not an EX style mount, it's standard Bayonet using the standard lens cable so any 2/3 glass will work on it without requiring an adapter. There's no optical stabilization with the new Fujinon lens either.

Has the new backlit EXMOR CMOS sensors for a sensitivity of F11 @ 60i and F12 @ 50i. The MSRP with lens is around $20K so expect slightly lower street prices.

That's the meat of it.

-gb-

Joe Lawry October 20th, 2009 02:21 AM

aghh the EX1R looks really nice.. i said i wasnt going to upgrade.. but i can see myself liking those benefits.

the 350 is pretty damn cool too.

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 02:22 AM

Reviews of actual units are here:

YouTube - Sony PMW-EX1R and PMW-350 review with sample footage.

Ron Wilber October 20th, 2009 02:29 AM

does the ex1r have the new backlit chip as well?

Greg Boston October 20th, 2009 02:31 AM

No Ron, the the new EX1r retains the same imaging block as the original. Nothing has changed in terms of picture quality.

-gb-

Vincent Oliver October 20th, 2009 02:35 AM

Nice and comprehensive review Alister. Has the base plate been improved on the EX1R?

Piotr Wozniacki October 20th, 2009 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston (Post 1435072)
No Ron, the the new EX1r retains the same imaging block as the original. Nothing has changed in terms of picture quality.

-gb-

That's a pity - Alister mentions stronger IR (or far red) filtration, which might translate to overall lower sensitivity in low light. The backlit imagers could offset this...

Steve Phillipps October 20th, 2009 02:46 AM

Just a small point, from a wildlife shooter's point of view, the PMW 350 is probably of little interest. Presumably image quality is not that much better than the EX3, and you've got a bigger, heavier camera to lug around and you lose the extra magnification because it has a bigger chip, plus you still have the CMOS issues. I'd have thought that it would be no contest, in favour of the EX3.
But, for a lot of other people I think it ticks all the boxes that they've been asking for, nice form factor, 2/3" chips, even an AF lens, could be a big seller I think. I suppose the only omission from sensible wishlists would be 50 mb/s 422 codec.
Steve

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 03:20 AM

EX1R picture quality and sensitivity is not changed. Pmw350 picture quality is noticably better than EX3. Pretty much same quality as pdw700

Steve Phillipps October 20th, 2009 03:24 AM

I thought you'd always said that the EX3 and PDW700 picture quality were virtually indistinguishable?
Great review by the way, all the info anyone could need.
Steve

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 03:25 AM

Ex1r has bigger base plate.

David Knaggs October 20th, 2009 04:21 AM

Excellent review, Alister. Thanks.

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 04:27 AM

The EX1 and EX3 are noisier than the pdw700. Resolution is very close as is highlight handling. Greens on the EX1/3 seem to look mushy, not quite as clean as the 700. The difference is very small. The PMW 350 is stunning, very low noise and clean, clear greens etc. I only had a weekend to use it, I want to look at it some more but in some respects it looked better than the 700. Not sure whether this was due to setups or the lens and CA correction. Need to do more tests to be sure.

Simon Wyndham October 20th, 2009 04:47 AM

Either way, the new 350 looks like a superb camera. My business partner has banned me from upgrading cameras for another 3 months (I think she's trying to kill me through anticipation). But I think looking at it an EX1R paired with the PMW-350 (this is going to confuse a lot of people with all these 350's in existence!) will be a great combo for most shooting.

It'll be easier ergonomically to put the Nano Flash onto the 350, and by doing so the 700 really does lose a lot of advantages. If the kit lens is anything like as good as the EX series one it will also solve a lot of lens expense problems, and from the sounds of it might even be a lot better than most of the low cost 2/3" HD ENG style glass from Canon etc.

Alister, how did the controls feel on the kit lens?

Simon Denny October 20th, 2009 04:51 AM

Does this camera do SD out of the box? or is this an add on?
I have to say that I have been waiting for this camera and now it's here. This is exactly what I'm looking for in a camera
Cheers

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 05:34 AM

SD is an option that will be available from launch. The 350 package is very atractive. The lens felt like any other ENG lens in use even has a standard Fujinon 8 pin remote socket as on thier regular ENG lenses. It's the lens, viewfinder combined with low power and weight that makes the 350 package so atractive.

Simon Denny October 20th, 2009 06:17 AM

Does this 350 camera take the V lock battery.
What about the base plate. I'm heavily invested in the Sony F350 at this time but if things can be used on this new 350 I might be selling.

Thanks

Paul Cronin October 20th, 2009 06:35 AM

Alister is it correct what Greg stated the PMW-350 lens does not have IS?

Thank you for a very nice introduction to the new cameras.

Steve Nelson October 20th, 2009 06:46 AM

Excellent review Alister, much appreciated!

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 07:20 AM

No IS on the 350 lens. It uses standard v-lock batts and standard Sony quick release tripod plate.

Paul Cronin October 20th, 2009 07:26 AM

Excellent thanks Alister. Now to preorder

Paul Kousoulides October 20th, 2009 07:54 AM

Thanks for the excellent review Alister. You mentioned in it that there would be a firmware update for existing EX1/3 users to enable the use of Sony's own card adapter.

Will the update also enable other EX1R features like cache record, image flip, SD recording, smooth handle zoom etc, for existing users?

Also what has happened to the mini USB port?

Andy Schocken October 20th, 2009 08:21 AM

Maybe I missed this somewhere- is there any pricing information on the new SxS cards?

Tim Polster October 20th, 2009 09:10 AM

Thanks for your review Alister.

Did you get a chance to see if the PMW-350 showed any infrared contamination like the EX-1 does?

Thanks

Craig Seeman October 20th, 2009 09:19 AM

The one thing I'm hopping for but unmentioned is the possibility of a firmware upgrade for the EX1. For me it's mainly the cache record. The ability to use less expensive SxS is something I assume anyone can take advantage of. The things I read imply one needs a firmware upgrade to take advantage of the Sony memory sticks. BTW the one problem I have with that is it's still easier to hand a client an SDHC card than a Sony memory stick as far as ease of finding a card reader.

One thing to be mindful of in the broader sense is that it's likely we'll be seeing changes like this every couple of years so one needs to think about that.

Craig Seeman October 20th, 2009 09:21 AM

In a review I read it said Sony added a filter for this issue in the EX-1R so one might assume it's there in the 350 as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Polster (Post 1435201)
Thanks for your review Alister.

Did you get a chance to see if the PMW-350 showed any infrared contamination like the EX-1 does?

Thanks


Dan Brockett October 20th, 2009 09:32 AM

This new camera looks to be an excellent value although I will be interested to see the acceptance factor for Discovery Networks. It is 2/3", but it is also long GOP at only 35mbps too. Not sure where BBC, PBS and Discovery stand with long GOP and 35mbps? Does anyone know?

Also, the promotion that Panasonic is running for the AJ-HPX2700 is at the same list price although this new Sony includes the lens so it is really much cheaper. I know that the 2700 is probably a better camera, but I probably would need to figure on another $8k for an even halfway decent used or cheap HD lens.

If it streets at around $17 to $18k, Sony will sell a ton of these, looks to be a great deal.

Dan

Thomas Gregory October 20th, 2009 09:33 AM

Question about the lense...
 
Alister, does this lense on the 350 have a macro option? if not, what is the minimum focal distance? And, thanks for bringing all this info to us. Does Sony have a release date? My penny saving has not been in vain, I'm finally ready to jump away from my dsr370's.

Tim Polster October 20th, 2009 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett (Post 1435213)
Also, the promotion that Panasonic is running for the AJ-HPX2700 is at the same list price although this new Sony includes the lens so it is really much cheaper. I know that the 2700 is probably a better camera, but I probably would need to figure on another $8k for an even halfway decent used or cheap HD lens.

If it streets at around $17 to $18k, Sony will sell a ton of these, looks to be a great deal.

Dan


Wow this space is really hotting up!

The Sony 350 price without a lens will be what I am watching.

Even though the Varicam is a great deal @ $20,000 the 350 will be less money and has a color viewfinder.

The only decision will be CMOS vs CCD. It is nice to have a CCD camera though.

What does this do to the HPX-2000? kind of in no-man's land.

Gabor Heeres October 20th, 2009 10:50 AM

Both are great new Cameras. The only thing what the PMW-F350 is missing in my opinion is the abillity to record in MPEG IMX, as the F530, F700 and F800 do. But I think it is because there shoul remain a difference. Will the PDW-F355 now going to be discontinued? I don't see many people investing in disc-based workflow only.

Gary Leach October 20th, 2009 10:54 AM

New Sony PMW-350 K & J models and updated EX-1R announced today
 
Hi, I'd been hearing rumors about this new 2/3" EX codec camera coming, but hadn't seen anything. Its posted now.. here's the link:

Sony : PMW-350K (PMW350K) : Product Overview : United Kingdom

Pretty exciting, now if we can just find out how much $?

Regards, Gary

Bruce Schultz October 20th, 2009 11:01 AM

I don't know why they decided to call it an "R" version when the single most important improvement they could have made was to replace the Exmor chips with the new Exmor R backlit CMOS chips for improved low-light sensitivity.

I'll not be trading out my older EX1 for this new unit as the improvements, as important and useful as they are are not enough to consign the original, trusty EX1 to the dustbin of camera history - yet.

Tom Roper October 20th, 2009 11:20 AM

I am so IN for the PMW350k! I'm putting in my preorder asap.

I cannot stand, it looks so great.

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2009 11:33 AM

Discovery already accept the EX1 at 35mbps so I see no reason why they would not accept the pmw-350.
I'm not sure if it is even possible to add cache record to the original EX1 so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it as a firmware update.

Mitchell Skurnik October 20th, 2009 11:36 AM

Sony Product Detail Page - PMWEX1R
I love it when people hide things on websites :)
Quote:

The XDCAM EX PMW-EX1R is the direct successor to Sony’s first entry into memory recording – the PMW-EX1. The PMW-EX1R features a range of ergonomic enhancements of the EX1, including an improved hand grip, a one-push S & Q switch and a one-push Auto Iris button. Other enhancements include SD recording in DVCAM, a Cache Recording Function, an Image Inversion Function and an IR remote control receptor on the rear of the camcorder’s handle allowing remote control from both the front and the rear of the camcorder. The PMW-EX1R utilizes three 1/2-inch type Exmor™ CMOS sensors, each with an effective pixel count of 1920 (H) x 1080 (V). This technology delivers superior picture performance with full-HD resolution and allows the camcorder to provide an excellent sensitivity of F10 and a remarkable signal-to-noise ratio of 54dB. The PMW-EX1R produces truly exceptional images in 1080p, 720p and 1080i HD. The PMW-EX1R is equipped with a high-quality, high-definition Fujinon 14x zoom lens specifically designed to offer optimum picture performance and unprecedented functionality. The full Sony XDCAM EX line-up provides stunning HD picture quality and efficient nonlinear operation, expanding the creative possibilities in every type of HD video production.

Mitchell Skurnik October 20th, 2009 11:39 AM

Found 2 More :)
Sony Product Detail Page - PMW350L
Sony Product Detail Page - PMW350K

Gary Leach October 20th, 2009 11:50 AM

Alister, thanks for the nice review on Youtube. I currently have an EX3 in house for evaluation against the other solid state cams out there.

Is there any idea what the new SxS cards will cost?

How about an actual release date for the 350?

By the way, was it awkward using the LCD viewing to the side like that? I've liked some of the other models (JVC HM700 for ex.) that had a nice big LCD that flipped around from front to back and such.


I want to buy an HD cam soon, and have been waiting for just such a cam to come along from SONY.

Darren Ruddock October 20th, 2009 11:57 AM

Ahhh, and to think all those hours of burning discs trying to find the best method of down-converting EX1 footage to SD! Then they give you a new camera with SD recording grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

Just hope original EX1 owners don't get forgotten. We will get any updates??


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