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Slobodan Pazin December 13th, 2014 02:37 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Dave,
thank you again for the information
You have wright about "lost in it for days", it's obvious that I have to continue reading and I will.
According your information I am closer to AX100.
Regards

Noa Put December 13th, 2014 03:16 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
It depends for what you will be using the camera for but if your previous main camera was a hv20 the ax100 will be a big improvement, just make sure your pc and editing software is up to the task as well.

Slobodan Pazin December 13th, 2014 03:50 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Noa
Tnx for the answer
I am commonly use for make video of family travel and my son and my hobby
During the race my friend was filming, I was on the pontoon like mechanic with my son.
I was filming prize giving ceremony.
I could tell, usual family filming.
Usually I am not editing, my son PC is powerful enough.
Regards

Noa Put December 13th, 2014 04:57 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Then I"m sure you will be very pleased with the ax100, I use the ax100 for weddings and am very satisfied with it.

Slobodan Pazin December 14th, 2014 01:51 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Noa,
Thank you
Regards

Slobodan Pazin December 19th, 2014 01:12 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi
What kind of camera bags you are using for AX-100?

Dennis Freeman December 22nd, 2014 05:11 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
I have only had this camcorder a few days. I have no interest in producing any 4K video's at this time. My question is, would I get sharper video shooting in 4K and downconverting to 1080 in either interlaced or progressive, or just using one of the 1080 formats that is recorded natively by the camcorder?
Thanks,
Denny

Noa Put December 22nd, 2014 05:21 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
a 4K downconvert contains more detail then a native 1080p file, since you have the camera you can try it out.

Dennis Freeman December 22nd, 2014 08:22 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hello Noa,
You are correct. The downconvert from 4K to 1080p is sharper than Natively shot 1080p from that camcorder. One more question, if my final output will be dvd or blue ray, would I be better off downconverting to 10801, or 1080p? Or would it not make any difference?
My sense is to convert to 1080p, but that limits me to 30fps, which might not be good for more rapid action shots.
What are your thoughts.
Denny

Ron Evans December 22nd, 2014 09:57 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Your source at 4K is 30P so you are stuck with the frame rate cadence. Converting to interlace will not change this cadence. If you want smooth motion then you need to shoot the source at 60. That means AVCHD on the AX100. 60P or 60i. You can downconvert 30p to 60i but both fields will be the same so motion will be just like 30P not 60i or 60P which have the same temporal motion.

Ron Evans

Dennis Freeman December 23rd, 2014 08:29 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Ron,
It looks like I am going to need to do some experimentation to see just how the down converted 1080p 30fps handles motion.
Thanks for the explanation
Denny

Ron Evans December 23rd, 2014 08:47 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
I am not a fan of slow frame rates so really notice the cadence. If the camera is fixed and motion is slow in front of the camera I think it is fine. If you like the cadence of film then it will be OK for you. For fast action like sports you will need a faster frame rate in my opinion. Camera movement will lead to background judder if you are not very careful. Not as bad as 24P but twice as bad as 60i or 60P.

Ron Evans

Slobodan Pazin January 4th, 2015 11:53 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi
Did anyone try to save movies on external media device such as usb stick?
Tnx

Charles W. Hull January 5th, 2015 11:46 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Slobodan Pazin (Post 1872557)
Hi
Did anyone try to save movies on external media device such as usb stick?

I save 4K movies off to a 'My Passport' USB hard drive, and then play them on a Samsung 4K TV, using the USB3 port on the TV. A USB stick might be too slow for this.

Mike Griffiths January 6th, 2015 01:20 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
USB3 flash drives might be OK. portable drives almost certainly OK. It works with USB 3.0 flash drives when edited but not tried directly from the card as I always save it to HD before doing anything else

Ugo Merlini January 6th, 2015 03:54 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
FDR-AX100 firmware update

The FDR-AX100 will also support XAVC S 4K 100Mbps high-bitrate recording through a firmware update scheduled for March 2015.

Capture every detail of your life in 4K* with compact new... - Sony

Slobodan Pazin January 6th, 2015 09:26 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi
Mike and Charles,
tnx for the answer
Regards

Slobodan Pazin January 11th, 2015 04:49 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi,
I have AX100 PAL and shooting in 25p 4k.
When watching movie directly from camcorder to 4kTV(samsungHU7500) everything is OK.
Info of TV show=3840x2160 25p
I copied same movie on PC(I7 with 2 gtx970 SLI) connected with HDMI(original Samsung cable 1m) to TV and setup
resolution to 3840x2160 25Hz, playback of movie is choppy, info of TV show 3840x2160 25p.
Change to 3840x2160 50Hz playback of movie is OK, Info of TV show=3840x2160 50p
What is your opinion?
Tnx

Jack Zhang January 12th, 2015 12:47 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Your media player software probably does not have proper vertical sync support. MPC-HC should be able to play the file without stutter. Find the vertical sync option in MPC-HC and turn that on.

As for refresh rates, stick to 50hz since PCs work with higher refresh rates better than lower ones like 24hz or 25hz. You'll notice you will have extreme mouse lag at 24hz or 25hz from a PC.

Directly connecting the camera is fine because it's directly playing the file using dedicated hardware, rather than a media player on a PC.

Slobodan Pazin January 12th, 2015 02:20 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
HI Jack,
Thank you for the answer, I tried with Vsync ON without success.
I will try to find the solution (human curiosity) but it will not to be obligate for me.
I already can watch it on 50Hz.
Regards

Dennis Freeman March 11th, 2015 06:57 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Has anyone used a 256 gig SDXC card with this camcorder? Was it successful for 4K recording? What brand and speed did you get?
Thanks,\
Denny

Luis A. Diaz March 13th, 2015 01:11 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Guys:
I am posting this in your hefty AX-100 because I assume that many of you also edit in FCPX an since the AX-100 uses the same file system that the new AX-33 has may be some of you may have ran into this problem before since your camera has been out for some time. I don't think it is a camera problem but I have not had any luck anywhere else to resolve this problem. I think it is actually a lack of support for the XAVC-S CODEC.

I think I may have found a partial solution or a workaround to this problem.
I was trying to insert in the card reader a new card that I shot on the Sony AX-33 that only contained XAVC-S files that is 4K files shot at 100Mbps on the XAVC-S and HD at 60 Mbps at 60p for 1920×1080 also utilizing the same XAVC-S codec so I try importing the clips into FCPX thru the Import window and again the same problem occurred FCPX would see the card only as a Volume And not as a Camera I did this several times even powering down the computer and powering back up and still no go, so I could not even create an archive of the card.
I thought That I ran out of options when it occurred to me that I had one more format to try on the actual camera setting that did not require the use of XAVC-S codec,,,…. that was MP4 so I set it to that and using the same card that I had shot the previous clips, I shot 3 clips of MP4 at their default setting using the same camera and card and took the card out and reinserted it in the reader, opened FCPX and the import window and ……..VOILA!! the card showed up as a Camera in the import window not only with the 3 MP4 files that I just added BUT ALSO WITH ALL THE CLIPS THAT I HAD SHOT IN 4K AND HD USING THE XAVC-S CODEC of course now being displayed as a Camera I am now able to select and play the 4K files and HD files and even select ranges for import or create a camera Archive. Freaking Amazing!!!
I have a theory FCPX does not show at this point any new supported cameras from Sony that shoot with the New codec XAVC-S but they do show supporting the XAVC (without the S) codec in their support page I kind of wonder if this is actually the problem and it may be fixed in future upgrades.
I know that the XAVC-S codec is the consumer version and the XAVC is the Professional version for the XDCAMS from Sony and that one has a Sony Propietary plugging for import on to FCPX, but I don’t know if it applies to the XAVC-S that is used in consumer cameras like mine.
The Sony AX-100 uses the same codec and file system on the card and it has been out for more than one year I wonder if there are any AX-100 users out there that can comment on this finding.
I will have to do more testing but for now I think this is a work around I still can not find any explanation.

I work out of a new late 2013 MacPro with 6 cores and dual 700 FIREPRO AMD graphic card with 32Gigs of memory I never have trouble with 4K playing in this machine.
Thanks,
Luis

Khoi Pham March 13th, 2015 01:17 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Try this to convert Sony A7S - divergent media
or Edius will edit it like butter along with tons of other format.

Ugo Merlini March 13th, 2015 01:44 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis A. Diaz (Post 1879491)
I know that the XAVC-S codec is the consumer version and the XAVC is the Professional version for the XDCAMS from Sony and that one has a Sony Propietary plugging for import on to FCPX, but I don’t know if it applies to the XAVC-S that is used in consumer cameras like mine.
The Sony AX-100 uses the same codec and file system on the card and it has been out for more than one year I wonder if there are any AX-100 users out there that can comment on this finding.
I will have to do more testing but for now I think this is a work around I still can not find any explanation.

I work out of a new late 2013 MacPro with 6 cores and dual 700 FIREPRO AMD graphic card with 32Gigs of memory I never have trouble with 4K playing in this machine.
Thanks,
Luis

Hi
as suggested by Khoi Pham Edius is your friend. I'm (and not only me) in your situation with Media composer (Pc side) but asking in media composer forum for a solution I recieve only reluctant answers from both Sony and Avid. The other option as suggested is to transcode to prores

Ugo

Luis A. Diaz March 13th, 2015 05:45 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Thank You Ugo
with all the guys on this thread I really thought there are more guys using FCPX editing the XAVC-S codec from the AX-100.

Edius is out of the question for me because is a Windows program only I Think?? and transcoding to Prores involves another step and so far I have been able to work with 4K natives files which also means smaller files than Prores.
I am hoping some one that works with FCPX will chime in.

Thanks,
Luis

Dennis Freeman March 16th, 2015 03:22 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
FYI Sony has just posted a firmware update R3 on their website for the FDR AX100.
Denny

Jeff Harper March 16th, 2015 06:59 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Thanks for posting Dennis. FYI, typically when, as members, we report these things it is nice to post the link.

There is a thread devoted to the update located here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-pxw...ml#post1879718

Dennis Freeman March 16th, 2015 09:28 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Sorry Jeff,
My apologies to you and others on the forum. My mistake.
Denny

Jeff Harper March 16th, 2015 10:03 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
You made no mistake, Dennis, you were being helpful. All of us have posted helpful information, as you have done, not knowing it was already in another thread! I have done it multiple times.

This thread is a very good place to have this info, since it is such an active and popular thread.

I hope I did not offend you, it was not my intention. Have a great day!

Dennis Freeman March 16th, 2015 04:03 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Hi Jeff,
Your comments are much appreciated. I did not take it as being offensive, just helpful info.
Thanks,
Denny

Adriano Moroni March 18th, 2015 04:31 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Are there improvements of firmware v3 over v2? Is quality of the video improved? But how much?
Thanks

Dennis Freeman March 18th, 2015 06:56 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
I found the autofocus function significantly improved over v2 of the firmware. Have not yet seen any of the100 MBPS 4K, so I can't speak to that.
Hope this helps,
Denny

Adriano Moroni March 18th, 2015 08:30 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
With a SanDisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s SD XC I U1 class 10 64GB is it possible to rec with 100 MB/s please?
Thanks

Mark Rosenzweig March 18th, 2015 10:20 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Moroni (Post 1880031)
With a SanDisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s SD XC I U1 class 10 64GB is it possible to rec with 100 MB/s please?
Thanks

No, the AX100 checks for the U3 rating. If it is not there, regardless of the speed of the card, it will not work.

Adriano Moroni March 18th, 2015 10:26 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Thanks for your news. Can you be so kind to tell me the precise mark i have to buy please? I need the best Sony U3 SD super fast.
Thanks

Nate Haustein March 18th, 2015 11:32 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
This card Transcend 128GB UHS-3 card has worked for me so far:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044487-REG/transcend_ts128gsdu3_128gb_sdxc_uhs_i_u3_r95_w60mb_s.html

Peter Siamidis March 18th, 2015 11:07 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Moroni (Post 1880062)
Thanks for your news. Can you be so kind to tell me the precise mark i have to buy please? I need the best Sony U3 SD super fast.
Thanks

I'm using this one without any issues: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MCJPSUO/

Andy Smith March 19th, 2015 07:06 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Freeman (Post 1879988)
I found the autofocus function significantly improved over v2 of the firmware. Have not yet seen any of the100 MBPS 4K, so I can't speak to that.
Hope this helps,
Denny

Denny, could you explain in what way focus has significantly improved?

Many thanks
Andy

Len Imbery March 19th, 2015 11:48 AM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
So what is the advantage of using a UHS-3 card and recording at 100gbs?...How will that improve my footage?

James Manford March 19th, 2015 12:01 PM

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 
A higher bit rate means more detail/information is being captured. A good way to see the difference is by filming a shot of a park or with trees / branches etc. You should be able to see a clear difference when you play back the footage.


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