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Does Youtube still do their post-processing image stabilization? I think that maybe what I've seen pronounced in this cat video that was just posted and the kitchen video posted yesterday. The building and the road shots didn't show any sorts of weird motion/severe rolling shutter. Will get mine next week. Can't wait to play with it.

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Look at the tarmac in the street @ 0:15 till 0:20 sec in full screen....something weird going on there....

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Jan, not seeing anything out of the ordinary on my monitor.

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Here's a more stabile walking video and it's also done at night. It looks like the AX100 has accurate focusing without hunting, even though it may not be the fastest. Also nice detail at night.

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One more. Very nice detail with some beautiful colors in the distance.

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The dark sky above the city skyline and the metal structure along the highway seem to have more noise than I get with similar lighting conditions with my 1080p Sony CX760V. Does it seem a little noisy to anyone else?

I know my claim that it is noisier than my CX760V isn't particularly valid since I didn't shoot the exact same scene with the same exposure settings to do a valid A/B comparison. I'm just going by what I am used to seeing when shooting city skylines at night, which is one of my main video interests.

Hopefully this isn't characteristic of the AX100. I want one and am hoping there are no major flaws. Haven't seen any yet in the recent videos posted, but this one has me a little worried. But the noise isn't so bad as to be a deal breaker.

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I think it will be fine Dale. Remember that YouTube compression can also add lots of apparent noise in scenes like this. Unless we have the native file, it's difficult to say this was camera noise as opposed to compression artifacts from YouTube.

We'll know before too long.

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Thanks, Ken. It very well could be YouTube and not the camcorder.

I'm looking forward to being able to see actual footage directly out of the camera when those who pre-ordered get theirs and start shooting and posting. Hopefully within a week or so.

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Some beautiful color & clarity from this night shot. I suspect, based on this video, the native clips are very clean. Truly amazing that something this small puts out this kind of video!

BTW, even though the first frame that shows here is the same as the other video I posted, it's a totally different clip. I'm not sure why the posted frame is the same.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

translated text from the above video:

FDR-AX100 test shot (2) 4K Handycam hen night view

To perform cut editing in Sony Movie Studio Platimum the XAVC 4K taken by FDR-AX100,
and conducted youtube write in 4K resolution.
Active mode ON, image stabilization has been walking normally.

Edit: the file/stream properties are 3840x2160 - 23,97 p with ~ 17,8 Mbit/sec

Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Nein
Format settings, ReFrames 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2min 58s
Bit rate : 17,7 Mbps
Width : 3 840 Pixel
Height : 2160 Pixel
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : variabel
Frame rate : 23,976 FPS
Minimum frame rate 23,974 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 24,590 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : progressiv

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

First indoor close-up I've seen at 2160p:

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there are a lot of AX 100 files from "misodo" on Youtube in the last day...
the person shot and load up faster, as I can download ....*g*

misodo - YouTube

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SONY FDR-AX100 4K動画テスト 120p ハイフレームレート撮影 : translated:
It is to those exported by editing length of 5 times to (24p) in Movie Studio Platinum attached what 4K camera of Sony, was shot in 120p FDR-AX100.

Select the image quality and image size from the Menu first, the method of 120p high-speed shooting, and then changed to "XAVC S HD" the recording method. Then it is OK to select the shooting mode from the Menu, by selecting a high-speed recording.
___________________________________________________________________


hmmm... is the 120p feature now real including in the FDR-AX100 ??
In the european Sony-sites under specifikations... I found it not ...

in the past it gives (a short time) a official Sony video how tells this
but this was imho soon again removed ..

please, excuse my "gibberish" english ... it is not my native language
_____________________
friendly greetings ... Hans

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I think the 120P is 1280x720 so slowed down to 24P in edit. Of courses YouTube will then convert to 30P !!!

Ron Evans

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I think Ron is correct, that it's 720p, so it's not nearly as sharp as 1080 or 4K... but 120fps continuous shooting even at reduced quality might be another handy feature to have! I know that was one of the things with the FZ200 that seemed like it might be kinda cool, even if I didn't have an immediate use.

The short high frame rate clips that Sony has historically let you shoot were also lower resolution, AND they were SHORT, at just a few seconds! Sort of useless because of the short duration, a continuous clip would be far more practical!

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Here is one of the AX100 that impressed me. When the guy is following the little girl around, the camera never looses focus. (Of course he may have edited out sections where it lost focus. (I saw some GH4 videos where the camera lost focus and had to re-focus several times. That concerned me about the GH4. It was a pre-production model, so maybe the production model and firmware will be better in that regard.)

The shots in the house/apartment in this video are bright and evenly lit. I wonder if he used video lights? Or maybe the AX100 produce can produce bright, clean video indoors?

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For whatever it is worth, Amazon USA is claiming a release date of March 21 with a note warning about short supply...

--Darin

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You can see a flat panel light in front of the cardboard box dolls house and I wonder if there is one somewhere shooting up at the ceiling. It is the best video so far of the FDR-AX100. Similar characteristics I have found with my FDR-AX1 in that downscaled 4K is better than 1080P. Not sure how he downscaled though but with Edius Lacsos3 it is very nice. Not sure if the motion blur in places is because of 30P or YouTube !!!

Ron Evans

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I asked this guy if it was a burst mode but he said he filmed for over 20 seconds, If it is continuous that will be awesome.

Has anyone seen if it is a touchscreen auto focus?

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Not sure if that date is going to be met. I have it on order with them and it was placed on the first day ordering was available. I had also anticipated picking it up at a Sony Store (which ever got it in first).

But what's unusual about Amazon is that there is still no ETA from them and they're only saying they still can't get an accurate fix on the delivery date. What's more interesting is that none of the Sony stores have them and I've been told they're not even in the warehouses. So there seems to be some delay going on.

With the RX10, I picked it up in a Sony store on the exact day of its release. So this is certainly different and I'm not sure if it's due to short supply or not.

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Dale, somewhere I saw a 4K version of that video with only his little girl. It did not include that opening piece. It was very impressive.

I've noticed the same thing regarding the GH4 videos thus far. It appears that focus misses from time to time. It's also possible this is something that will be tweaked when production units become available.

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Ah man ! My new update from B&H says 3-28-14

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I think it might be shipping today now. B&H charged my card and my order says processing. If it ships I'll get it Wed.

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Sounds great Joey. I miscalculated on this go-around. I've generally found that the Sony stores get it on or around the 'release date'. Didn't happen this time.

Additionally, I'm still getting from Amazon the notice "we need more time to give you an accurate ETA", so I think this puppy is in short supply.

I'm still hoping the Sony stores will get it in over the next few days.

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Well my order as of right now still says processing.

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I hope you get it Joey! I called B&H and they told me it would be the last week of this month, but I had no preorder with them.

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*cough* if this is the translation by Google, then it still sucks at it. Human translation is like this:
I have edited and published something using stuff taken by Sony's 4K camera FDR-AX100 at 120p and its attached Movie Studio Platinum at a 5 times of length (24p).
The way of doing 120p high speed shooting is that firstly select Picture Quality/Size in the Menu and switch the Recording Method to 'XAVC S HD'. And then choose 'Shooting Mode' from Menu and change it to 'High Speed Recording', then it's OK to go.

... Ultimately this Japanese guy didn't know that Youtube's compression has ruined it. lol

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Thanks Ken
They charged my card but my order still says pending. I had to change my credit card a few days ago so I'm wondering if it has to do with the first charge on a new card that was reported lost. I lost my wallet about a 10 days ago. I hope I can figure it out tomorrow because I don't want to lose any more days.

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I called and B&H said they said they run a charge after I changed the card but it will fall off today. So no shipment and no new ETA LOL.

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I'm guessing 1-2 weeks Joey.

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Mine arrived in Las Vegas at 9:37PM tonight.

Supposed to be at my house before before 8PM.

I already have one of my world-famous :) Sony Camcorder eBooks well underway. Can't say the Japanese writer doesn't have a sense of humor. Almost all button press sequences end with -- and I'm not kidding -- the word "hope."

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

a lot of new samples are here:FDR-AX100Channel-4k - YouTube
(FDR-AX100)4K Sample - Display touch focus test
(FDR-AX100)4K Sample - Effect:High Contrast Monochrome
SONY FDR-AX100 4K Camcorder. Auto Focus test(AF)
(FDR-AX100)4K Sample - Scene selection:Sunset

and so on .....

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Steve, any chance of you posting a downloadable, native clip on Vimeo for testing in a couple of editing programs? Mine is still on order from Amazon, but it looks like it's being delayed.

One thing I've noticed in several clips on YouTube, is the tendency of some owners to overexpose somewhat. I think this can be a somewhat common thing with many Sony camcorders if you shoot at default or 'Auto'. The shooter who did the cat video indicated that he mistakenly interpreted what he was seeing on the LCD screen. One of the first things I do with any camera, is check the accuracy of the LCD and/or VF with the actual results of the video. Otherwise you are destined to over or underexpose. It also seems some are not using the zebras either to check exposure.

Perhaps too much camera for some?

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I didn't know that Vimeo hosts native files. Interesting.

If not then Dropbox, Google Drive or a dozen other free cloud based storage options.

Please and thank you! :-)

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Hello, is there a Firefox extension to download videos with maximum definition or at least in full HD? So that I can see some video on my TV. Thanks

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Hi Ken,

Camera just arrived and will unpack tonight as I had to deal with a dead furnace today.

It has an AE bias control which should solve the tendency for Sony camcorders to overexpose -- which I hate too. It also has an an adjustable Zebra, but no histogram.

Will likely open a second Utube account for AX100 -- where everything will be UHD. Will post stuff this weekend.

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I created a new YouTube account and uploaded some early movies -- some back to 1986. Try this link and let me know if you find 8 movies.

Steve Mullen - YouTube

If anyone knows a simpler link to "dvcpresents" please tell me. It seems Utube wants you to windup inside all their crap and not go directly to a Channel -- whatever that is.

This is where I'll post -- as soon as I find/buy a Class 10 card. I didn't expect it to come so soon!

Steve

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It's a bit bigger than I expected, but very light.
Battery only charges in camera unless you buy an optional charger. I'm now charging.

The manual is a joke. On page 41 through 46of the tiny tiny manual there is a list of dozens and dozens of menu items. But NOT ONE item has a single word of description or explanation.

No DVD with .pdf or software! But, you do get a free copy of Vegas -- woo woo.

So i'm going to switch from my usual Handbook type eBook to a Guide that I can finish faster.

Will include Chapters on AVCHD/XAVC, editing UHD to HD (for Media Composer that can't yet export UHD), and uploading maximum UHD/HD quality to YouTube.

I'm tempted to not bother with describing all the WiF functions. Does one really need to upload 720p MP4 files from your iPhone?

Anything else that needs to be included?

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Seems like a new trend with Sony, none came with my rx10 either, would be interested to know if it also takes so painfully long to charge the battery, I have a suspicion Sony is deliberately slowing that down so you"d get frustrated and buy their optional charger. My biggest battery from my sony cx730 - which lasts over 4 hours - charges a lot more quickly using the camera then what my rx10 needs to charge that tiny battery that lasts about 40 minutes.

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Steve I assume you are on a Mac so Vegas may not be of much use to you. But it does edit and export XAVC and XAVC-S. I have both Vegas 12 and Edius Pro7 and normally use Edius for my video editing which is able to edit XAVC and XAVC-S but not export in these formats. Both will of course export in other formats at this image size too. Both will run realtime with XAVC but not XAVC-S on my i7 3770. Though all of my 4K editing is from my FDR-AX1 at 60P 150Mbps so editing 30P at 50Mbps may be different.

Battery life at 4K will be interesting to know as the FDR-AX1 will only run for just over an hour on a NP-F970 compared to close to 4 hours use on my NX5U !!! I expect that little V70 may not last too long and a V100 would be more useful for the FDR-AX100.

Ron Evans

UHD Video from Sony FDR-AX100
 

Here is a video I made using the AX100 for the first time. It was losslessly edited, and you can download the UHD video I uploaded to Vimeo and see the full resolution:


There are no cats, or aimless waving of the camera. And there is subject movement. The shots were in dim light and in outdoors contrasty light. There is some shaky camera in the first scenes due to gusts of wind. OIS was used, but not in Active mode.