Panasonic LUMIX FZ1000 announced with 4K recording
 

Panasonic announces a 4K-recording superzoom camera | The Verge

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/12/p...-lumix-fz1000/

Sounds like it will not have a C4K mode, only a 16x9 4K mode. It uses a 1'' type sensor and is a fixed lens system.

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With an expected price of 900 euro here compared to other offerings (2k for the ax100 and 1500 for the gh4) it will be an interesting camera to get your feet wet when having to deal with 4k without having to break the bank.

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Wow!
Would love to see how their sensor stacks up to Sony's. Anyone know if this is their first camera with it?

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Panasonic FZ1000 Superzoom officially announced

Official specifications
• 20.1Mp 1" CMOS sensor
• 16x zoom 25-400mm F2.8-4.0 lens
• 15 lenses in 11 groups. 5 aspherical lenses
• 5 axis stabilizer
• 4K MP4 high bitrate video, 25fps PAL, 30fps NTSC, 30 minutes limit
• 1/4000s mechanical shutter / 1/16000s electronic shutter
• 0.09sec AF speed
• 0.66sec start-up time
• Depth from defocus AF
• 2.36 million dot-inch OLED EVF
• 3" 920k screen
• 12fps
• Dual-axis electronic level
• Time-lapse video creation
• Stop motion animation
• Wi-Fi and NFC
• Focus peaking like GH4
• $899 price

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the sample video from panasonic does show some very contrasty scenes with almost no details in the shadows, wonder if that can be altered through some presets.

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It supposedly does have CineV and CineD settings, peaking, but no ND.

I'm hoping the 1080p120fps is decent.

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I dunno folks! While that footage isn't what I would consider a good sample for showing low light capabilities, the detail in the parts that are lit up is pretty damn nice. And this is a $900 camera with what appears to be a decent lens? I'll take three!!!

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A lot of that sample footage was shot on Cali's Central Coast including Pfeiffer Beach which is world renown for having purple sand. The sand is visible in the video @ 1:45 also the scenes from 1:33 on are from Pfeiffer beach as well. Beautiful place that I'll probably shoot in 4K this summer myself.

Cam looks very promosing at the price point, 40 Mbs more bitrate than the AX100 and as long as the lens is up to task it seems very formidable.

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At this price-point this is now the consumer camcorder to beat! There's still room for improvement and SDXC U3 cards are still pretty expensive, so I will wait for Sony's answer (or for the initial price drop for the Panasonic). When Sony released RX10 and A7S, I was convinced that (good) 4K at consumer prices would be 2 years off, but now it seems that the race is truly on.

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The samples I found online (the 4K one above, and another that was posted at 1080) struck me as a bit odd in the way they were exposed.... at first I thought it was trying to avoid blown highlights (and maybe that was a small part of it - there was one other clip that said it was the FZ1000 that was really blown out, I'm not sure that was legitimately this camera), but what about the darker areas?

I wasn't able to see much if any detail in the shadowy/dark areas... decided to push the brightness and contrast on my monitor to rather absurd levels to bring those shadow areas into view... ouch...

Even though the highs were "hot", they weren't particularly "blown", the darker areas were now visible, and in most cases, macroblocking, banding, blotching and a ton of artifacting noise were quite painfully visible. There were a few clips that seemed to be better, so maybe there's room for adjustments?

It was not a surprise (this is a $900 camera after all!) but if that is how this camera performs in high contrast &/or low light... it would be rather disappointing, and also somewhat typical of what I've seen with other "consumer" Panasonics like the FZ200 I tried. Great specs, decent looking results, but upon closer inspection...

I'm sure they will sell a shedload of these, and it looks like it does OK in "the right" light, but I'm presuming this was the best production they could post... I'd rather go for an HD camera with better dynamic and low light performance/handling over the 4K output I'm seeing in these promo videos.

I know my 4K monitor is a cheap repurposed TV, and the display isn't "perfect", but stills from the RX10 look phenomenal, and video from the AX100 is also quite acceptable with tests I've shot thus far, so I don't think my "stock" settings are THAT far off.

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+ Dave, not impressed with the footage, I don't actually care for the look of it. Dynamic range seems poor, it's too contrasty for my taste.

The footage has a look that reminds me of the FZ200, which I'm generally not crazy about (though I do use the FZ200 as a backup).

Actually, upon thinking about it., would be a great replacement for my FZ200!

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I wonder how long one could film 4K with a 32GB card on this camera?

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roughly 40 minutes

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Thank you Emmanuel.

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I corrected myself

100mbit/sec= 12,5MB/sec so 32GB holds roughly 2560 sec or 40+min.

I say roughly because 1 GB is 1024 bytes so the calculations are a bit of

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Ouch! 64GB card won't cut it!

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It's certainly intriguing, if it's performance is up to the average panny standards it'll be a very strong rx10 competitor.

for what it's worth, i've written up my initial thoughts: First Look: $899 4K Panasonic FZ1000 - The RX10 finally has some competition, and it's serious.

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You say 30p is a limitation in 4k but the gh4 or the ax100 also only have 25p or 30p in 4K or do you mean something else?
Also the 28mbs is not exactly a limit in 1080p, panasonic most probably wanted to make a separation between this model and the gh4, just like they did with the g6 and gh3 and considering the pricedifference you can't expect too much, 28mbs has been the max bitrate for all camera's shooting 50p avchd.

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i'm not clear on what you mean, Noa, both the gh4 and ax100 do 4k at 24p, the fz1000 at least for the moment only claims to do 30p or 25p in PAL

as for bitrates i did mention in the write-up about market separation, but there still are exceptions, such as the rx100m3 which will have 50mbps

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Ah, ok, I thought you where expecting 50p, but why is 24p so important for this camera? 30p should give you a little bit more fluid motion and for pal I don't see a reason to use 24p if you can have 25p?

That 50mbs codec for the rx100 is a new codec, probably better in preventing artifacts in faster motion and high detailed shots, but eventhough the fz1000 could have had other codecs implemented I"m sure Panasonic didn't do it to protect the gh4 which, considering the price difference I see as normal, you can't have it all for that prize.

About that that swivel screen on the fz1000, I do miss that on my rx10 but if I had to choose between a build in ND or a swivelscreen I"d take the nd filter.

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Over here, clients usually expect 24p these days, only recently did i get one who asked for 30, so if you're handing off footage directly, if your camera doesn't shoot the framerate they want, you'd need to go get a different camera. This of course only applies for client gigs, for which i'd likely use this as a B cam only.

Bitrate wise, i'm sure it'll be plenty good as is, but despite 24mbps looking very good, if there's one thing that manufactureres have had a strangehold on, it is bitrates. We can all assume it's for market separation, but it's a bit silly that 24mbps has now been held onto for more than 3 years with very few exceptions. Looks great for sure, but even 35mbps wouldn't encroach on their higher end cameras.

i don't know i'd trade swivel screen for ND filter. i'd use both, but given a choice, i think i'd still lean to swivel screen since i can add an ND filter, but can't add a swivel screen without adding an external monitor.

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Looks very promising indeed! To be able to get to 400mm at F4 is pretty nice. Thinking primarily as a wedding video shooter.

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I already damages 2 expensive variable nd filters, when I had the rx10 I was happy to finally have a camera that had this build in like it should, I absolutely hate having to screw on filters, such a hassle during a wedding.

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While having extra framerate and codec options is a big plus, if you are shooting for a client then you should use camera's that are up to the task, if a client would request footage shot in raw then the fz1000 not having this would not be a negative point because this camera has a other targetaudience, of which soccermoms could be a part of as well and they don't care about codecs. I think Panasonic is saying, if you want to have it done right, get the gh4. :)

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The articulating screen is a huge plus to me, the lack of ND filters a negative.

Lack of headphone jack (as Arthur mentions) will be a dealbreaker for many.

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Wow very nice, I'm currently using an AX100 which I love but I need a backup 4k camera in case it fails during a shoot. I thought about getting another AX100, but at just $899 I'll spring for one of these as pure insurance against failure or breakdown of my AX100.

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Also, 4K is recorded in crop mode (you loose the wide angle reach):
4K for $899 with the Panasonic FZ1000 – but beware the quirks! | EOSHD.com

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Oh man thanks for that, of note:

37mm in 4k mode is a no go for me alas.

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Yup. The failure to include ND filters is a big minus for the new Panny. Of course the GH4 doesn't have that either, so Panasonic was kind of boxed in on that.

Unlike the RX10, there is also no constant aperture with the Panny lens. It remains to be seen, given the almost legendary status of the RX10's lens, how good the Panasonic lens actually is. The significantly lesser wide angle as the result of the crop mode is not a plus.

Having looked at the demo for this new camera, in 4K, I could immediately see there was less detail than the AX100 provides. Of course this is a lot cheaper.

I also don't think we can compare bitrates at this point. There's nothing new about the Panasonic's codec AFAIK, but the XAVC-S code seems to do well with less bits than the older codecs.

This is kind of a 'you get what you pay for' deal. But probably still very nice for the price.

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+ what Ken says. Truly this is a case of you get what you pay for, kind of. The newness of 4k makes the price point of this camera exciting, but it will not be long before there will be many many other options that will make more sense for a pro.

This cam, to me, would be nothing more than a "c" cam, if even that. The lack of ND filters is diappointing but if the cam was only to be used as indoor backup, it wouldn't matter.

The lack of a mic input kills it for me.

The nice articulating screen makes me angrier at my RX10, that screen, with a LCD hood on it is just an awful pain to open and adjust when cam has a base plate attached.

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Based on what I saw when I pulled the shadows up, it's awfully generous to say "4K". I know that all cameras tend to degrade in resolution and clarity in low light, but some degrade "gracefully", not collapse to bad SD quality...

Having tried the FX200, yep, the fully articulating LCD is far nicer than the approach Sony uses. But as far as the lens range goes, I got better results out of the HX300, and the lens on the RX10 with CIZ produces good results that "pop". The stills from the demos looked pretty flat to me, and not sure they were holding up out to the corners - seemed to me that the corners were falling apart a bit too.

While not a camera that I'll be standing in line for (or even looking for "used"), I'm glad to see the competition! Looks like 4K WILL be a market expectation sooner rather than later, and for a first "under $1K" effort, not bad.


Still say Sony needs to stop fooling around and release ASAP a firmware update to the RX10 and RX100M3 to unleash the BionzX to do 4K, and in the RX10 XAVC S 1080 at higher bitrate (the difference over AVCHD.28Mbps IS noticeable). I hope this bold move by Panasonic will be the prod to get them thinking a little more progressive!

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Still say Sony needs to stop fooling around and release ASAP a firmware update to the RX10 and RX100M3 ![/QUOTE]

Dave if you are holding your breath on this one,,, better not

FZ1000 Has DFD Autofocus
 

I haven't seen this mentioned previously. It's the same enhancing feature for contrast-detection autofocus that's used on newer Panasonic M4/3 cameras. I'm wondering if anyone has tried using telextenders on any of the M4/3 cameras with DFD? Does it work with an added lens on the main lens?

Regarding the request for firmware upgrades on the Sony RX10 and RX100 III: It seems that Sony's idea of firmware upgrades for Cybershot cameras, is next year's model.

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Does this camera hold focus throughout the zoom?

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I had a Pentax K1000 which I loved and the model numbers on the "lumixFZ1000 4K" are similar enough.so
I think I'll get one !!
Good a reason as any lol
I'm a Sony fanboy and silly as it sounds, their now called Playmemories home is such a good organizer that I've been reluctant to use files that don't show up in PMB but mayby these mp4 files from the fz1000 will

Who will be next with a 4K offering? JVC is usually good for a twist on the status Quo

Zoom Controller Panasonic LUMIX FZ1000
 

I have no experience at all with panny-cams.
Do you suppose that the fz1000 will have some-sort of wired zoom controller as 100% of my shooting is on a tripod with panhandle?

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Got an email today from Panasonic promoting pre-ordering for the FZ1000.

Things I don't think I had read elsewhere:

When shooting in the 1080p120fps mode (which frankly is of more interest to me than 4K) it said "The recording format is 30p." I'm not sure what that means - it will show up and play back as 30p in an NLE, but those extra frames are available if speed reduction is selected?

4K recording requires a UHS Class 3 card and has a 29 minute 59 second limit.

4k is .mp4 format.

The Hybrid OIS and level shot function do not work in 4K.

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I would think 120p stored as 30p would just mean 4x the duration of the clip (1s clip is stored as 4s clip).

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Bad news for Video shooters who's work is done from a tripod.
This to and from Panasonic :
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""Hello
>Does the new fz1000 have wired lanc control or similar for zooming in video mode?
>thanks you

Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for your inquiry. Regrettably this unit does not have a wired LAN control option ""
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Although there is apparently some kind of wireless controller I'm not sure how a smartphone or other device could be incorporated onto a tripod panhandle and used as a typical thumb operated lanc controller to follow fast sports like figureskating where zoom is pretty much constant as they are either moving towards you at 40mph or going away at similar speeds

Wait a minute Their answer sez "LAN" wtf are they idiot green-horns who might not know the difference between LAN and Lanc?

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bruce that's strange because it has the same remote port (2.5mm) like the GH4 , and the GH4 will accept a libec 3DV with the power-zoom lenses so I'm going to test it myself when I'll get it but I'm confident that there is a remote option (in panasonic protocol of course which means probably only zoom control and maybe start/stop)
Maybe the question was a bit vague and so the answer. anyway Panasonic video cameras (any) don't have "lanc" protocol, but a panasonic protocol . 2 ports (2.5mm and 3.5mm for zoom/start-stop (2.5mm) and iris/focus(3.5mm)). The answer may be correct (no lanc which only works for sony and canon. what they did was just missing a "c" in there.. again.. maybe). Or most likely they misunderstood, thinking that vthe question was about some LAN connection over IP or something. What's clear for now is that they didn't know much about the camera, and that's obvious.