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One test specifically said there is no back focus problem

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That other video was shot by another guy but they appeared to both be on the same location, same camera, different operator and you immediately see the difference.

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By design, if everything works as it should, it shouldn't have problems to the average user. But it doesn't look as good with a wide open iris as I was hoping. My EX1R doesn't look good with a wide open aperture at full wide zoom, and this one has that effect magnified. Just personally, I'd always shoot closed down to F4 if I had my hands on this camera.

It's not a problem that the backfocus is off, the thing is the servo focus is the backfocus. This is why the EX1 was able to hit the price point it did and not have any focus breathing.

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Great looking stuff......and if you saw Jonathan's footage yesterday vs this, the only real difference is style. It shows that the same camera (assuming they had identical base settings) in two different hands can get you very different "feels" to their chosen shots....both good, just different..I personally like the German's shots....and we set Jonathan up with Panasonic to go on the trip!

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

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Interesting French DVX200 test footage on YouTube.

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I see a lot of noise in that, even thought it's bright daylight. Look at the shadows on the sidewalk.

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Yep - but he wrote this on the YouTube page. My French is not as good as it used to be... but basically he's saying it was a very early mock-up he had - it did not even have V log in the firmware. Direct quote below:

Voici quelques images de la DVX200 issues de la première prise en main de la caméra par la chef-op Emilie Aujé, début Juillet 2015.
La caméra était un exemplaire de pré-production qui n'intégrait pas encore la courbe V-Log

I do wonder about the marketing sense of Panasonic allowing footage to appear well before the camera is (clearly) finished - i.e. outside of NDA's that usually prevent this. Could back-fire on them big time.

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Already HAS back-fired. On "the other" forum people are losing their crap (in the bad way) over this footage.

I agree. . .I still don't understand why anyone would post anything less than fully uncompressed straight-from-the-cam footage, or at least something output with that quality. I understand files would be huge, but you could do a few seconds instead of a few minutes, at least THAT would be accurate. This is. . .not super smart. Like having people judge your rough cut of a film.

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More 4K footage. Recorded on a DVX200 with Atomos Shogun.

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What does High Sens mean, is that a gain setting? I saw a lot of noise in some shots, the red hue on the flower was very over-saturated and it did not have a natural look to it. I did see some shots that looked really nice so maybe the shooter made poor setting choices for the others??

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maybe thats the color science? original dvx was known for over the top reds, right? so maybe...

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Almost every image parameter is user adjustable. Reds too strong then dial them down.

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Thanks Andy! Do you recall what profile you were shooting in? Have you tried V-log? Interested in seeing V-log original footage.

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Jeff, not my footage...

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I can never tell watching stuff on Youtube if it's not great because it's the camera or my cheap laptop... How did that look for everyone else?

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OK, sure it's not going to compete with a C300 MkII regarding superb image quality...and it's still not a finalised camera used with optimal, fine tuned set-up etc.... and of course YouTube compression issues aside...but it certainly looks very promising to me. I think it will suit my shooting style perfectly/may suppass my Sony PMW-300 as the main go to camera for fast paced work.

Biggest dilemma I have is this:

Do I buy a "cheap" Sony X70, a "cheapish" JVC LS-300, especially after the JVC Log news this week that might help highlight handling (this is to be confirmed)... or (more likely) the Panasonic DVX200 to test the water with my clients regarding shooting 4K, reframing flexibility etc. (I expect it will still be 1-2-3 years before I ever deliver in 4K). DVX200 could certainly be "good enough" for me to make money.

Or do I just "be done with it" and buy a C300 MkII (I also have a C100 and lots of Canon glass).

I can easily afford any one of them - in fact all of them as so much work is coming in right now - but what I am agonising over is which one makes business sense at this point in time.

Of course, I could just sit and wait for the perfect 4K cam to appear. But that's no fun - and will never happen anyway!

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I would seriously wait until IBC next month. You can be certain there will be some new options for you to consider from there too.

I'm in a "holding pattern" myself. I'm ready for the Sony A7sII and maybe a "pro" version of the Sony NX100.

Let's see what else comes out.

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Since the DVX200 won't be available for about 2 months at best, I'd wait and see if anything else gets announced in that period, especially with IBC before any DVX200s are in the shops. I'm not sure why Panasonic announce new product so long before it's available to actually buy, that must be of benefit to their competitors in terms of planning to compete, surely? Most other companies seem to announce a couple of months at most before actual availability.

[EDIT - I see Cliff is thinking along similar lines! Realistically, it's plausible to imagine something with the back end of the Z100 (and hence XAVC), with the front end derived from the tech of the latest RX10/100. The optics of the RX10 would be pretty good - just needs more video friendly power zoom etc.

Although the words "digital zoom" normally fill me with horror, then it could work very well for such a camera. Although the optical zoom is only just over 8x, then because the 20Mp is so heavily super-sampled for 4K, a digital zoom extension mode could conceivably work very well to give an effective doubling and more with no quality loss. In other words, to an operator it could theoretically seem like a 20x zoom with no quality drop at the tight end.]

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Yep, all good advice. The way Sony are spitting out new cams we might have a X100 and FS70 to consider by then!

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If you want 50/60P UHD then you choice is more limited and I do not think the C300 has these higher frame rates. FS7 or see what else comes out other than the DVX200 for larger than 1/3" sensors of the HC-X1000, FDR-AX1 and the PXW-Z100

Ron Evans

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Here's hoping their global shutter tech Pregius makes it into their new XDCAM 1'' lineup cameras. There's supposed to be a 1'' sensor at the end of the year that can do 4K 30p, the IMX255. Current figures show a single sensor can have 70DB SNR. (Still needs 60p)

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Pricing now added at B&H - it's about what was predicted, maybe not as low as hoped.

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i think the disappointed folks re: price were too unrealistic to begin with...when has something this fully featured ever been that low ($3500) when introduced? and please no more about the color space or i will commit bodily harm to myself.

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Gotta love that someone already posted a review on B&H without having the camera!

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those damn time travelers are at it again...

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Just got the marketing bulletin......the sell price is going to be $4195.00!.....about where I thought it might land....so give us a ring if you'd like to pre-order....
http://www.evsonline.com/panasonic-a...zoom-lens.html



Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

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I think it'll sell like hot cakes over your side of the pond, especially at that price.

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Ouch!! Anything that is $4195 in the USA will automatically be close to $6K down here by the time they have fiddled with exchange rates and sales tax ! I assume is will be just as expensive in the UK ??

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At the moment most of the good pro video dealers here (CVP, H Preston etc.) still have it listed at the pre-order price they initially posted after NAB.

It's currently at (or very close to) £3,416 plus VAT (at 20% UK rate) which is £4,100 with that tax. My business will just claim back the VAT.

Hopefully, this will now drop a bit over the next few days in view of Panasonic's pricing update :-)

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Caught this footage today, looks a bit better than previous clips that I have seen online.

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Anybody know what the pixel count is on this sensor?

Is it a photography or video sensor? Is it the same one as the GH4?

If the image comes from more than 8 megapixels, is it a 1:1 readout or is it over sampled from a higher count. Does it line skip or use Sony's "every pixel" scaling engine?

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I think that some of your questions were answered in previous posts in this thread

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I think I have read the following to your questions:

1. It is real video-sensor with same technology as the GH4-sensor.
2. It has a different format than the GH4-sensor. DVX200 sensor is 17.8mm x 10mm (16 : 9 format), GH4-sensor is 17.3mm x 13 (4:3 format).
3. The DVX200-sensor has 17.2 Megapixel (total) with 16.05 Megapixel effective.
I do not know an answer to your last question.

Joachim

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Thank goodness for a native 16:9 sensor, however I'd never leave the aperture wide open on the wide end of the zoom, since it gives really nasty "orbing" that looks nothing like a prime or a 24-70.

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V-Log Test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i181...ature=youtu.be

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Some wedding footage

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17.2 million pixels in a 16x9?

So they are doing roughly a 2:1 over sample and scaledown?

Hmmm...could this be the first time Panasonic over samples like this? We know Sony does this very well but hasn't Panny has typically done mostly 1:1 readout out until this point for 4k?

If this is a video only camcorder, I wonder why they felt they needed to have the pixel count this high.

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Just like Sony they can zoom like "Clear Image zoom" and have pixels free for image stabilization. At least that is two reasons.

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Decent color grade of footage

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An action scene shot with the DVX200