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Boyd Ostroff July 22nd, 2004 08:10 AM

From what I've read they've removed the physical multi-function wheel found on the TRV-950/PDX-10 and put all the functions into touch screen menus. I would find that totally unacceptable. It means digging through menus to control everything, very awkward for working in manual mode. I suppose that if you use the auto modes it would be less of an issue though.

Also it's a big disappointment that they LCD and viewfinder are lower resolution, and that the touch screen has gotten physically smaller at they same as they move more functions to it.

The inability to use the larger QM91 batteries is also a downer, you will need to carry twice as many batteries with you. But a $1,000 price tag would indeed offset some of these complaints. Wonder what the US price will be? B&H isn't listing it yet. Interesting though, they still list the TRV-950 for $1,650 which isn't much of a deal compared to $1,850 for the PDX-10. I actually thought the price was lower on the TRV-950, maybe they've raised it?.... it has a banner next to it proclaiming "Top Seller!". They're offering a pretty unexciting rebate from Sony, save $50 if you also buy a photo printer....

Allan Rejoso July 22nd, 2004 09:44 AM

Ok, new samples have been uploaded to Guy's site both in the GS400 and HC1000 albums.

For those combined GS400&HC1000 videos, the first parts are taken using the GS400.

I have also uploaded combined GS400&PC350 samples (procinema/cinematic and widescreen interlaced). Again the first parts are taken using the GS400.

All these samples came from a Jap magazine.


Guy Bruner July 22nd, 2004 11:45 AM

Thanks again, Allan!

LOL, lots of interest in these shots...my site may exceed its bandwidth before I can get some more. Viewing has already exceeded 38 Gig this month. Folks can help out by only viewing each clip once or by downloading the clip and viewing it off line. To download, right click on the link above the player window that says "It may take awhile to load the movie" and SAVE AS...

Allan Rejoso July 22nd, 2004 04:23 PM

Folks, please help out. We don't want Guy's site to go offline especially next month. I may be able to upload progresive/frame-mode/procinema galore after August 20 :-)). I'll upload in zip next time.

Guy Bruner July 22nd, 2004 04:29 PM

Allan,
Uploading in ZIP won't fix it because the server unpacks the ZIP file into the album. I can set up files for download in zip format. It won't make much difference on the bandwidth except it might deter folks from viewing the clips multiple times. You'll have to send me the files some other way...maybe FTP. The downside of this method is the size of the ZIP file and the download time.

Rokta Bija July 22nd, 2004 05:34 PM

Great clips Allan, thanks! The GS400 procinema mode is impressive. If that's frame mode, I don't see much loss in resolution.

Regrading the two GS400&HC1000-Road clips, you can see some noticable sharpness differences between the GS400 and HC1000. The GS400 looks sharper in the center grass strip in the road and if you look at the trees at the far end of the road, the GS400 show much more detail.

Here's another test idea to properly evaluate skin tones. It would be nice to see close ups of that model in a bikini :-)

Allan Rejoso July 22nd, 2004 06:24 PM

Yeah Rokta, I agree with you on the difference in sharpness. In fairness to the HC1000, and I hope it's noticeable enough in the heavily compressed samples, the HC1000 video of the "shop" looks brighter than that of GS400, though yellow tint appears to be strong. It also appears that the HC1000 has a higher contrast ratio.

Mark Kubat July 22nd, 2004 07:48 PM

I caught the clips and they were amazing
 
I managed to see the new clips this aft. just before Guy pulled them - the "street" or highway shot was very impressive in terms of colours and so was the "shop" shot. The downtown street scene too was rich in colour and detail. Wow, the footage all looked so sharp!

The procinema stuff has a real nice feel to it - very high quality, very pro... I'm excited by the direction panasonic has taken. Recently, I've shot regularly with the DVX100, GS200 and DVC30 and they've all got interesting qualities - from what I've seen so far about the GS400, it seems to me to be an amazing bang-for-the-buck and the newer clips seem to further indicate that won't fail to impress...

Am hoping the clips come back soon!

Allan Rejoso July 22nd, 2004 09:22 PM

Re: I caught the clips and they were amazing
 
<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Kubat : Am hoping the clips come back soon! -->>>

Anybody willing to host the clips, I can send the files, but you've got to hurry because I'd be on vacation next week:-)).

Chris Hurd July 22nd, 2004 10:26 PM

DV Info Net can host them. Allow me to catch up on this thread... I'm talking to Guy and will get in touch with Allan in the morning (my morning that is, Friday, sorry about the time difference Allan!)

Oops, no we can't host them, due to copyright restrictions.

I'll be happy to host original clips though.

Allan Rejoso July 31st, 2004 07:50 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : Maybe Robin simply read the spec sheets :-) and assumed that the HC1000 shutter speed setting behaves similar to Sony's other cams - you know, that Program AE controlled shutter speed, combined with slow shutter settings under digital effect. Let me verify first, but I do remember playing with and appreciating those low shutter speed settings of the HC1000 and thought 1/15 appeared very controllable.

I was able to verify this before I left Tokyo last week. I counted 20 manual shutter settings starting from 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60 all the way to 1/10,000 under video mode. In fact, the manually set shutter speed is displayed on the LCD. Of course, you have to first set the cam to manual using the slide switch located at the bottom left side of the lens barrel.

But there's a little inconvenience...If you set the shutter speed to manual mode, Brightness has to be set in Auto. If Brightness is set to manual (24 manual levels possible), the shutter speed is locked to the last setting. However, AE shift is still available (+-4) which allows the user to adjust the brightness somehow. Brightness level and AE shift settings are also displayed on the LCD.

For those who think the rotating grip is useless, it is IMO one of the most relevant features of this cam. Any grip position less than 45 degrees is quite uncomfortable due to the cam's heavy front.

I can imagine the inconvenience of making all the adjustments through the touch-panel but if you consider the market price of this cam against its overall features, I don't think I can complain. By the way, the HC1000 does not have Bluetooth and Network functions of the TRV950.

Tommy Haupfear July 31st, 2004 08:18 AM

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You'd hope that actual street prices would be lower than that, with the PDX-10 selling for $1850 it sure wouldn't make sense to spend $1700 on the HC-1000.
Good point Boyd. If I had to guess I would say that the HC-1000 will drop dramatically in price (like it has in Japan) to compete with the GS400 since they are very similar in specs.

Or... Maybe a new PDX10 is on the horizon? :)


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