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Vincent Oliver January 30th, 2013 02:14 AM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
The trouble is that everything eventually becomes redundant, that is the nature of technology. The only sure way of preserving data is to move with the times. As a photographer I was seeking the best way to archive my digital files, the solution was found in old technology, simply print the photos and you have hard copy. Using pigment inks the prints will last for 200+ years.

Not sure how I can do the same with movie files.

John Kang May 5th, 2013 07:31 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
Looking for a solution to tapeless capture for my Sony Fx-1. Is there an easy way of capturing to a tapeless format?

I was thinking component to HD or something to that effect. However, I'm not finding much of a solution...
I can't seem to find anything doing searches on the forums.

The only solution I can find plausible is using a Kanex Pro component to hdmi and using something like the atmos ninja. Is this the only solution?

Thanks.

Adam Gold May 6th, 2013 09:12 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
Do you mean shooting to tapeless? Sony makes the MRC1k for shooting to card or the DR60 for shooting to Hard Disk. Both are specifically designed to work with your cam.

There's a specific subforum here for those:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-har...ard-recorders/

Mikel Arturo May 12th, 2013 03:18 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kang (Post 1794222)
Looking for a solution to tapeless capture for my Sony Fx-1. Is there an easy way of capturing to a tapeless format?

I was thinking component to HD or something to that effect. However, I'm not finding much of a solution...
I can't seem to find anything doing searches on the forums.

The only solution I can find plausible is using a Kanex Pro component to hdmi and using something like the atmos ninja. Is this the only solution?

Thanks.

My friend, the FX-1 is a tape cam from 2005. Purchasing something like MRC1k (750 $ more or less) in 2013 is a waste of money.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/580065-REG/Sony_HVR_MRC1K_HVR_MRC1_Memory_Recording_Unit.htmlSony Product Detail Page HVRMRC1K



Actually, you have a CANON HF-G20 for little more money and... probably better video quality. Is VERY similar to your SONY FX-1.
Or CANON HF-G30, similar cam but with x20 optical zoom, 50p and classic zoom rocket. All tapeless, with dual sd card slots.
Canon U.S.A. : Consumer & Home Office : VIXIA HF G30

But if you want more info about external recorders, watch this video.

I bet for Canon HF-G30 versus external recorder (and don't forget that external recorder needs external power, external batery or something similar!!!!!; another thing that can go wrong working).
I bet

Giroud Francois May 13th, 2013 02:41 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
if you skip on the tape, the FX1 is an excellent camera, , one of the last 3 CCD at its best.
Picture blends very well with my EX1 and do not suffer from all the inconvenience of CMOS.

Noa Put May 13th, 2013 04:30 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikel Arturo (Post 1795186)
I bet for Canon HF-G30 versus external recorder (and don't forget that external recorder needs external power, external batery or something similar!!!!!; another thing that can go wrong working).
I bet

If bet I would have had a sony hvr-dr60 a few years ago when I just got my brandnew canon xh-a1, I wouldn't have lost 1 full hour of wedding footage due to over a 100 dropouts on a brand-new tape and a camera that never gave any type of warning. When I got my sony hvr-dr60 just after that to prevent that kind of disaster again it had been the best investment I made. With one battery I could film 4,5 hours continuously and still have battery power left and the recorder performed flawless in about 4 years. I sold the camera and recorder a few months ago but if it wasn't for it's poor low light performance I certainly would not have gotten rid of that combination.

Brian Drysdale May 21st, 2013 05:17 AM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
An aside, since this is audio tape; BBC News - Press rewind: The cassette tape returns

I'm not sure if the tape retro will apply to imaging, since film seems to have the retro corner.

D.J. Ammons June 1st, 2013 09:40 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
A few months ago I started the process of migrating away from tape when I bought a Canon XA10 and incorporated it into my camera package for wedding and event videography, along side my venerable pair of Sony V1U HDV cameras.

Still somewhat leery of using memory media every shoot I have had the XA10 in the mode where dual slot SD's are both recording simultaneously. However I have been using Canon approved media and have not ever had a single problem with a SD card.

This week I got in my first Atomos Ninja to use with the Sony V1U. After a quick test shooting with it and then editing on our Sony Vegas Pro 11 system I ordered a second one for the second V1.

I will still simultaneously record to tape as a safety, at least for a awhile!

Mark Watson June 1st, 2013 10:59 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
I have 3 tape-based video cameras and have owned the XF305 for six months now. I bought the Focus FS-CF Pro to make sure I could use my older cameras in case my laptop firewire quit working or I replaced it with one without firewire, as I've noticed they are getting scarce.

I don't mind the capture process. If I have a large number of tapes to capture, I use multiple laptops where possible.
My workflow with the XF305 is currently not saving me any time when it comes to handling the footage.

I can't just pop in a fresh tape once the media is full. In the field, I have to copy the CF cards to my Nexto portable HDD storage device, erase the cards and reinstall them in the camera. Once I get access to a laptop, I transfer the files off the Nexto to a portable HDD as an archive copy, then open the Canon XF Utility program and copy the files yet again (using the EXPORT AS .MXF files function) and these files are what I use for editing. In the future, I know I'll need to have a better archival scheme, such as "off-site" and more reliable media.

With tape, I slap a label on it, stuff a fresh one in the camera and ready to shoot. After capture, the tape goes in a safe place as my archive.

Bottom line is that my experience so far with a tapeless workflow is that it didn't make anything easier and in fact I find whenever I'm about to reformat one of my CF cards there's a bit of a pucker factor as I hope I didn't mix things up and end up erasing the only existing copy.

Bruce Foreman June 3rd, 2013 12:47 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
You avoid that kind of mixup by having enough extra CF cards on hand. When you reach about 75% capacity on one (I avoid filling up media cards) simply remove it (after stopping the recording), pop in a fresh one and "roll on".

Using something like the Pelican media cases place unrecorded media cards in with brand label facing up, already recorded go in face down. You can have the media cards permanently numbered (I'd use a Sharpie marker) and an assistant can "log" the card number and what's on it in a small notebook).

I would never erase/reformat a used card on location.

I "archive" original files on a pair of 2TB external hard drives with a third standing by in case one of the pair exhibits the slightest indication of a problem.

D.J. Ammons June 3rd, 2013 04:18 PM

Re: RIP Magnetic Tape.
 
I also make sure I have plenty of media to record on so that is not a problem. I also import the footage to two different hard drives in case one of the hard drives fails.

Now that Carbonite has the home premier plan that automatically backs up video files on the main hard drive and external hard drives that is going to be my next step for peace of mind.


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