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Damon Gaskin May 28th, 2007 03:19 AM

Hi Ken! Jlip devices? I will have to Google that one. Is there an adapter for lanc to Jlip then? Maybe that is the key?

Dave Eaton May 28th, 2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 687552)
Hi Ken! Jlip devices? I will have to Google that one. Is there an adapter for lanc to Jlip then? Maybe that is the key?

You can search this forum for info. The Jlip, Lanc and remote zoom/focus control for the HD1/HD10 topics have been gone over and I didn't see that a solution was found. Although, the threads were from 2004 and 2005, so maybe something else has come up since then?

Damon Gaskin May 28th, 2007 08:17 AM

Hi Dave! Nope, I dont believe after searching the net myself also that its going to work at all. But to be honest, the more I play with the cam, the more I realize that it doesnt even really matter. This one is working well for me, and the zoom toggle is pretty good, so its not a biggie at all. It would be a little icing on the cake, but definately not a requirement for my purposes and useage. At B&H they said they were going to remove this as an accessory, though after checking the site this morning, its still there. But it is a holiday weekend.

I have gone through almost an hour and a half of tape already just playing with it, and took a few stills to get used to that function also. Though I probably will not use the still function much at all. I also tried the webcam function just to see if it would work, and for me it did not with WLM or YIM. So that ends that, but I also did not purchase the camera for webcamming, so once again, for my purposes, this doesn't matter to me at all.

I am getting used to the rings a bit also, and their reversed(for my brain it seems reversed) turning and am getting pretty good with the focus in stationary. I am going to practice next trying to rack focus while panning and zooming. Once I get those down, I will be really doing something. But it seems pretty easy to focus with it. I still haven't gotten the hang of the zoom ring as it seems sort of jumpy. It definately isn't as smooth as the focus ring for me. But maybe it's like my mode switch and needs a bit of breaking in(the mode switch for me was very tight the first few times I turned it, and is just fine now) and practice time. Not sure, but the toogle is pretty good and easy at holding a nice slow zoom, so that works for me. Still a lot of practice on it though.

All in all, I really do like this camera. I need to figure out the flow to injest the video as quickly and easily as possible(device control with scene detect wld be nice), but I have discovered I can just as easily capture via component or svid and it looks great as well. So it will take a few more days and investigation(didn't realize I would have to do this with an older model camera) to get a solid flow and then I will be even more off and running...

D

Also, I did some low light tests and am very satisfied with the results. It easily from what I saw on the viewfinder of the FX7, matches that performance with the gain turned a bit up. I got a little noise from clips that are shot in very dark and I didn't manually white balance. But besides that, I love the look and the functions... I think its a great cam. Much better than the consumer tiny toy cameras for the same price range for a person looking at a second camera but not wanting to spend 2500 to 3 grand on a HD unit. I think its an excellent compromise of function, performance and cost...

Dave Eaton May 28th, 2007 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 687645)
I have gone through almost an hour and a half of tape already just playing with it,

Me, too, except I keep going over and over the same 10-minute area of the test tape. Looks good on the computer but AWESOME on the TV. I've been running my tests and burning DVDs to view them on my TV (no HD-TV yet) and I'm real happy with the results. Did some un-steadycam (while attached to a Great Dane on a leash) tests in a park yesterday and the colors, sharpness, etc. were very very nice. I'd have applauded if it weren't for the need to take motion sickness pills from viewing all the dog induced movement (and my own unsteadiness). :-)

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I also tried the webcam function just to see if it would work, and for me it did not with WLM or YIM.
I've used mine several times with Apple's iChat with a friend in Canada. Slow frame rate though, could be my computer as it's getting a bit old.

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I need to figure out the flow to injest the video as quickly and easily as possible(device control with scene detect wld be nice), but I have discovered I can just as easily capture via component or svid and it looks great as well.
I've done the usual continuous and batch log/capture and all is working well.

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I think its a great cam. Much better than the consumer tiny toy cameras for the same price range for a person looking at a second camera but not wanting to spend 2500 to 3 grand on a HD unit. I think its an excellent compromise of function, performance and cost...
I definitely like mine. Makes me question a lot of the reviews I'd read.

Damon Gaskin May 28th, 2007 11:51 AM

Hi Dave:

Do you have your OIS turned on? I realized when I shot my first footage handheld that I had turned it off. I turned it on, and it smoothed things out considerably! Like night and day.

And I burned one dvd so far and it looked great. I am trying the footage now to encode at a very high bitrate(35Mbs) and trying to burn to standard disc. I don't believe the dvd player will be able to read it at all, but I wanted to just see what it will do and how long it will take to encode.

And for Premiere I am getting ready to try to get in there for a bit. I really have a project that I need to work on, and I got sidetracked after getting this camera. But I am going to try different settings to see how they work out with capturing. The goal ultimately is the workflow your speaking of and what I am used to with my DV cam.

And you know what, to be honest on your assesment of questioning the reviews, it does the exact same thing to me. It seems quite plainly that they didn't know what they were talking about, or maybe they had pre-production units, as this is really, really IMHO a nice camera. It has the few shortcomings of not being able to adjust and hold multiple manual settings at once for some functions, but besides that, I think its great too. The low light is nothing like I was afraid of at all. I am with you though completely. I read a few of the reviews on B&H for the camera and here, and simply inq about why they were such a contrast with the reviews that I have read. To be honest, the only review I read that was good for the camera was posted on the videomaker site. Everything else I have read was pretty much that the camera can't do this and the camera sucks at that, only to find out that maybe, just maybe they didn't spend enough time with it also. I mean, this thing to me, puts out a very nice image. I can't comment on the auto function as I have only been using manual(which is to be honest probably the strength of the camera) mode, but it has been great! If this is poor performance, then I am afraid of what great is!

And from what I saw and I will say it again, I don't see anymore noise with this one chip three or four year old camera than I did with the FX7 when I played with it in the store. And I had the gain on +9 if I remember correctly. On this cam, I simply have the gain off, I just began manual white balancing, I play with the shutter speed for the effect of the picture I want, I may mess with the exposure, I focus and simply go with it. I find it a real joy to work with. I am not going to say that the reviews are based on monetary means, but it is very strange that all you see is bashing everywhere on this camera and if you get or play with one, the video is very good. Maybe I just haven't had mine long enough, or don't have the critical eye or something... But it is like unfair to me, because it really does seem from the experiences I have had, a very good and viable cam.

Question on your webcamming, did you install the drivers for the cam(from the cd) when prompted or did they pretty much update themselves when you plugged it in? I can get the pictures fine from the SD card, but when I try to plug it in, it doesn't recognize that the cam is on and connected for some reason...

Damon Gaskin May 28th, 2007 11:54 AM

I wish there was a way to post a picture as I would post one of the low light stills I took on 500th shutter speed..

Dave Eaton May 28th, 2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 687742)
Do you have your OIS turned on? I realized when I shot my first footage handheld that I had turned it off. I turned it on, and it smoothed things out considerably! Like night and day.

They don't make OIS that strong. I had the camera in one hand and a 110-pound dog that wanted to run and play in the other. That's not easy to steady...without a steak. :-)

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I mean, this thing to me, puts out a very nice image. I can't comment on the auto function as I have only been using manual(which is to be honest probably the strength of the camera) mode, but it has been great!
My guess is that people were basing things on unfair comparisons and unreasonable expectations for the money. It was the first HD camera under $4,000. People seemed to be looking for features, etc. that would have kicked the camera right out of the price range. My friend's attitude when he saw it for $1,500 was that if it even worked it was a smokin' deal. He figured it was a "one job camera" and worth it for the price if that's all they got from it. Well, now they have several and are recommending them to friends.

His thoughts are that JVC put out a darn nice prosumer camera with prosumer features and excellent image quality that was for Joe/Jane hobby shooter to play HD with shooting the kids and vacations. However, pros took notice and started buying them instead of some of the real "pro" cameras which probably was not the design. The HD10 seems like kind of an afterthought with just the minor tweaks and the added unbalanced XLR setup. They were decent originally but at $1200-1500 they are seriously nice deals and an awful a lot of bang for the buck.

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Question on your webcamming, did you install the drivers for the cam(from the cd) when prompted or did they pretty much update themselves when you plugged it in? I can get the pictures fine from the SD card, but when I try to plug it in, it doesn't recognize that the cam is on and connected for some reason...
Well...I haven't even touched the CD. On the Mac all I did was wrap the Firewire cable around the core filter, connect to the Mac and play with Final Cut Pro and iMovie in HD and DV modes. I clicked on Start a Video Chat in iChat and was good to go.

I then connected it to my Winbox in DV mode and ran Microsoft Movie Maker -- which I didn't even know I had until a friend told me to try it to see if it worked, just to check to see if the camera showed up. It did and I was able to capture and play in Movie Maker. That's all I've done on Windows so far.

Damon Gaskin May 28th, 2007 05:06 PM

LOL, steak! But I do understand that.

And hmnnn, your friends acessment sounds pretty good to be honest. I agree completely with the lot of bang for the buck. It is a really nice camera and as you and both have found out and agree with your friend, its fabulous for the price. I mean, for gods sake, I am comparing it to a 2700 dollar camera that is a couple generations later for HDV. And its still kicking well. I am glad that they didn't delete this thread! It has been instrumental in the purchase and playing with this camera.

And you know, Windows sucks for things of this nature. Apple/mac is far ahead. The strange thing that I cannot figure out is that premiere from Adobe's site says the camera is fully compatable. Maybe I have something set wrong in the output of the firewire or something. I have mine set to SW and have also toggled between the DV and Mpeg2 setting for playback, both with no joy with firewire. The component and Svid as I stated are working fine and I can pretty much capture in any setting that I choose. But the firewire is a completely different animal and I haven't been sucessful yet. But its brand new, and probably something I am doing, so I am just taking it as such and attempting to ask questions on it.

I will try to download windows movie maker to see if it will work with it just for kicks. But it would be really retarded if movie maker will accept it via firewire and premiere will not...

D

Dave Eaton May 28th, 2007 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 687868)
its fabulous for the price. I mean, for gods sake, I am comparing it to a 2700 dollar camera that is a couple generations later for HDV. And its still kicking well.

I was actually looking for a better DV than I have when my friend suggested that I look at the HD1 instead. Seemed silly to buy DV for the same or more when I can have HDV, too.

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And you know, Windows sucks for things of this nature. Apple/mac is far ahead.
I can't agree with you there. While I like my Macs (I have six...aging though), they're just tools and there's a lot of stuff out there for Windows only -- notice there wasn't a Mac CD with the JVC?

I've pretty much decided that I'll be building/buying a nicer Winbox for video work fairly soon. I know how to use FCP but will be learning Sony Vegas in the not too distant future and possibly Premiere. I'm going to borrow a notebook with DV Rack and Vegas on it and I'm looking forward to that for the added control and dog and pony appeal of it.

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The strange thing that I cannot figure out is that premiere from Adobe's site says the camera is fully compatable. Maybe I have something set wrong in the output of the firewire or something.
I haven't looked but I'd have thought all of that has been figured out and messages on how to do it posted here and elsewhere. You check the Adobe forums? Here?

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I will try to download windows movie maker to see if it will work with it just for kicks. But it would be really retarded if movie maker will accept it via firewire and premiere will not...
I don't think Movie Maker will handle HDV, DV for sure. I'm kind of lost here as I thought you already had pulled in video and that's what you were trying to downsize, right? iMovie on the Mac was HD ready before FCP was, that was weird.

Do you have the correct settings in Premiere for the HDV file? Here's a shot in the dark, just found this link and maybe something you need is in it?

http://ppro.wikia.com/wiki/Software#Capture

Should be some help in this forum, too. Maybe start a new thread -- after searching for the answer first. Good luck!

Greg Toope May 28th, 2007 08:15 PM

i sure do enjoy reading all these posts and verifying that my purchase of the HD1 seems to be a good one. It seems my camera has finally started its journey up to Canada and is supposed to be here either wednesday or thursday. Until then ill have to live vicariously through you guys.

I cant wait to see how my Macbook handles the HDV footage.

Dave Eaton May 29th, 2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 688021)
It seems my camera has finally started its journey up to Canada and is supposed to be here either wednesday or thursday.

Congrats! I suggest you get a off-white #100 bib to control the drooling. :-)

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I cant wait to see how my Macbook handles the HDV footage.
Should be fine, depending on the amount of RAM and the hard drive speed. I don't know if Apple is putting in faster drives now or not. I remember when I bought my G4 Powerbook we were whining that the fastest drive Apple was installing in the things was a 5400rpm drive (some were 4200rpm) while Dell was putting 7200rpm ones in theirs. Apple was running ads showing FCP on the 17" Powerbooks but never showed the cables that connected to the needed external hard drives. :-)

I don't know if the 7200rpm drives are still necessary or not. I have a friend with a HP notebook that has a 4500 rpm drive and he was getting errors saying his drive speed was too slow. He added an external drive which solved the problem.

Just a few more days, Greg...

Damon Gaskin May 29th, 2007 08:33 AM

Urgghhh, its a no go. I am using a workaround for the moment.. Oh well.. Nothings perfect I suppose.. I still think its a great camera!

Greg Toope May 29th, 2007 09:28 AM

if the internal is giving me problems, i have a couple 200+ gig firewire drives that i can use so drive speed shouldnt hopefully be an issue. Im very eager to get my hands on the cam. Ill probably spend a good deal of time this coming weekend playing with it.

If it does what im hoping it will do I may even look at picking up a second one this summer, for the price it seems like a steal. (and a beachtek box forsure)

Dave Eaton May 29th, 2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 688262)
Urgghhh, its a no go. I am using a workaround for the moment.. Oh well.. Nothings perfect I suppose.. I still think its a great camera!

Hi,

What's a no-go? Varizoom, editing in Premiere or ?

Damon Gaskin May 29th, 2007 05:43 PM

Heya!

Its a no go with the varizoom for sure. I actually am using the HD capture utility that came with the camera(another story) to capture to native ts files and then simply dragging and dropping them into premiere. They require no rendering and are simply ready for editing and effects if need be. But yes, I am editing in premiere!

And the second story is that I had to RMA the camera. I will have another one tomorrow, but it began timing out with XP during capture(playback mode) with the utility if it was just sitting idle for maybe 25 seconds. I was on the phone with B&H and JVC all day and it wasn't pretty. I simply decided to send it back for another one due to the lack of the SD card in the camera, the tape that I mentioned that seemed more like a testing tape(which could be bad or good and that I discovered had a blue colored dot on it with a number along with the box for the camera having the same dot and number as though it was sorted in some way), and then the timing out that my other camcorder never did, and neither did my friends that was purchased at the same time.

The timing out was really a pain because basically if I was rewinding the tape and walked to grab a glass of water, and came back, I had to restart the camcorder to get the device control back. If this had been an old camcorder I would have probably been like, whatever, but I haven't had it a week and these three issues popped up. So it was a sign to me! Just send it back for another unit!

I actually can't wait, as I played with my friends and the video of course was as good, and after using the utility to capture(if you have any experience with matrox products, they used to have a little external capture utility that would batch capture your clips for you), it is actually nice to not have to open Premiere to capture and simply use it to drag and drop captured clips that have been scene detected. So I have also figured out a workflow! So its not a total washout from my perspective.

I was dissapointed with B&H though, as I had to speak with multiple employees, recieved conflicting information and was bounced around for roughly 3 hours on this issue(most of which was spent on hold after answering the same exact question over and over). Not to mention, that I had to reference 4 different numbers for ordering and rmaing! This is the largest purchase I have made with them, and in the end I will have my camera tomorrow, but I had to fight for it tooth and nail on this one. Not at all the experience I have had in the past with them. I am very dissapointed to be honest on this one with them. This is what I meant by oh well, you can't win them all.

Question for you all. Your box, did the tape it was closed with have "JVC" stamped on it? The reason I am asking is because the JVC rep I spoke with indicated that if it came from them directly, the tape used to seal the box would have been logo'd with JVC. I am not exactly sure if I believe him so, I am curious. Mine and my friends were sealed(looked like original and I really looked hard after the issue today) with transparent packaging tape, but it did not say JVC on it. Just looking for input on this one.

I actually as U an typing this am transcoding some footage to a dvd. Its a short series of clips(approximately ten minutes), but it is taking a long time to transcode! Not at all what I am used to with DV. With the DV, I could churn out within encore a transcode at 7Mbs two pas in a little over realtime depending on complexity. This is taking a very long time! LOL But I had read that transcoding HDV takes alot longer. I cannot remember the ratio, but I was sort of expecting it. It reminds me of my first days of editing and leaving the transcode to run overnight. But the dvd looks great though!!!

Ok, I am off to sulk since I have to wait for my camera to take more footage!!

Later guys,

Damon

Greg Toope May 29th, 2007 06:08 PM

well that kinda sucks for you, but you are still going to get your replacement before I get my original cam. So at least they are getting it to you quickly.

Also its great that you have found a decent workflow. I know that as soon as i get mine i will be posting some clips. I have a fair bit of online space ready.

Keep us up to date.

Damon Gaskin May 29th, 2007 07:11 PM

Will do. :-)

Dave Eaton May 29th, 2007 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 688587)
Question for you all. Your box, did the tape it was closed with have "JVC" stamped on it?

From what I'd seen online they can come double-boxed with a brown outside box with JVC tape on it and inside that box is a black photo box, or they can just come in the black photo box. Mine came in the black photo box with basic clear tape sealing it. The outside box was a B&H brown box. The others may have come direct from the JVC store.

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The reason I am asking is because the JVC rep I spoke with indicated that if it came from them directly, the tape used to seal the box would have been logo'd with JVC.
That makes sense except you got it from B&H and not JVC direct. B&H probably received them boxed four to six in a larger box (with JVC tape on them) and then opened the boxes to get to the individual boxes with the cameras like we received.

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Ok, I am off to sulk since I have to wait for my camera to take more footage!!
You already cross-ship the other one back? Since the problem is timing out on playback I'd think you could still take lots more footage.

Damon Gaskin May 30th, 2007 12:39 AM

Hi Dave!

That makes sense with the box tape issue. Complete sense to me! I just wanted to be sure that it wasn't just me. But as long as this one works fine, it can be taped with duct tape! LOL

And yes, I did ship it back. My friend actually took some footage and I pretty much did a quicky edit on it(well, she did a quickie edit as I am teaching her or showing her the basics of Premiere) and shot it out to dvd. I should be back in buisness a little later today with the camera.

And Greg: I wish I had some online space. Do you have your own server? I want to setup one for about a gig of online space, but I don't want to pay for the charge my isp wants for the connection. I may though, I am not quite sure still on that one since it's not very often that need the space to be honest.

D

Greg Toope May 30th, 2007 06:12 AM

I have a few places with online space.

I have 2 domains plus a .mac account (which gives me 500 megs). My 2 domains have a fair bit of free space on their server, one is actually just sitting there with next to nothing on the server as the site is under construction right now. The other is close to full as its my own company website (surprising how fast 800megs gets used when you have a site that deals with video).

That site is ...

http://www.sandstormstudios.com

Just thought id throw that out there. And my .mac account is

http://web.mac.com/sandstormstudios

Dave Eaton May 30th, 2007 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Damon Gaskin (Post 688786)
And yes, I did ship it back.

Now you'll have to charge another battery as you anxiously re-read the manual (smile), or did you buy a second? I'm thinking of ordering another off the same ebay seller as the price was cheap and the battery is working well. Wouldn't mind a backup of the AC adapter, too.

Sure hope you get a SD card this time. :-)

Dave Eaton May 30th, 2007 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 688863)
I have a few places with online space.

I have 2 domains plus a .mac account (which gives me 500 megs). My 2 domains have a fair bit of free space on their server, one is actually just sitting there with next to nothing on the server as the site is under construction right now. The other is close to full as its my own company website (surprising how fast 800megs gets used when you have a site that deals with video).

Nice work, Greg. Liked the school board videos and the title work. Plus, the JVC HD1 on your Bridal Fair 2007 newsletter. :-)

I'd like to be able to get the quality and size as the Apple site's FCP ads without people having to wait forever. Example:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...e=coenbrothers

Greg Toope May 30th, 2007 02:55 PM

The quality of the clips on the apple site are always top notch. May have to see if i can grab one of their clips and figure out how it's encoded.

Also just got a call from UPS and it looks like my camera is at the border so it should definitely be here tomorrow. Hope it gets here before I have to go to a meeting in the afternoon!!!

Greg Toope May 30th, 2007 08:40 PM

so i was looking at the apple video files and i checked out their 720p movie trailers to see how they were encoded. Looks like they use the H.264 codec at 1280 x whatever (depending on the trailers aspect ratio). The bit rate is pretty high at just under 6000kbits/sec. Not sure if the quality that comes out of the HD1 can compare to the footage that they are using but im definitely going to see if I can mimic their settings when I encode to see the quality difference. Being that its a progressive camera should definitely help.

Dave Eaton May 31st, 2007 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 689382)
Looks like they use the H.264 codec at 1280 x whatever (depending on the trailers aspect ratio). The bit rate is pretty high at just under 6000kbits/sec.

Shouldn't you be standing by the door waiting for a package? :-)

Just found a discussion on this very topic on Apple's site (I'm still reading it):
http://discussions.apple.com/thread....31304&#3631304

This clip was included as part of the discussion as another example. I liked it and include the link for those that might like to see it without reading the thread there:
http://web.mac.com/captmench/iWeb/Si...D2FB63057.html

Greg Toope May 31st, 2007 04:59 PM

well the camera just got here .. WOOHOOO!!! So im getting my batteries and a fresh tape and going out to play. Will see how this thing performs, it sure does feel nice in the hands though. Has a nice weight to it.

Damon Gaskin May 31st, 2007 06:48 PM

Got my capture to work dudes!!!! It was a stupid transfer panel that was noncompliant I guess with the camera or something. I plugged it into my motherboard and then break out box and voila!!! Capture city with scene detection!

I hadn't I guess read fully through the manual so I discovered the navigation feature! That is great for playback or searching a clip. Now I need to read up on how to basically fast forward to the end of a clip in navi and then I will be in buisness!! LOL

Gregg! Your going to love your cam! I think it is great. And I was asking, and maybe I didn't ask correctly because there are online free servers correct? Where I could upload footage? But then again, you have your camera now, so that isn't necessary... LOL

Enjoy!

Dave Eaton May 31st, 2007 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 689929)
well the camera just got here .. WOOHOOO!!! So im getting my batteries and a fresh tape and going out to play. Will see how this thing performs, it sure does feel nice in the hands though. Has a nice weight to it.

Congrats! You're official now. We'll have to teach you the secret handshake now. :-)

Greg Toope June 1st, 2007 09:26 AM

well im going to actually post a clip. Did the compressing with 'compressor' and its in the H.264 codec. The link is...

http://www.videopartypatrol.com/frog.mov

Its just a small clip of our neighbor playing with a small frog that she found. Make sure to save the file to your drive as it doesnt play well within a browser window.

Also I picked up one of the Steady Stick Compacts and it works really nice.

Dave Eaton June 1st, 2007 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 690261)
well im going to actually post a clip. Did the compressing with 'compressor' and its in the H.264 codec. The link is...

http://www.videopartypatrol.com/frog.mov

Hey, that looks pretty nice. Definitely sharp. How do you like the results?

I haven't shot anything with mine in a few days due to other projects. Hoping to go play a bit this weekend with it.

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Also I picked up one of the Steady Stick Compacts and it works really nice.
The Davis & Sanford one? Saw those on ebay and have been debating on getting one. Don't need one yet but I like the idea. Here's an animated GIF showing it for anyone interested:

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sel...yStickAnim.gif

A few days ago I took a break and was sorting through my drives and found some old (2001) footage I shot with my old Canon Optura (original model, that I let collect dust and later sold) and going down memory lane. Mumbled to myself that if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have sold that camera to get the one I replaced it with.

Yesterday, I found a guy selling the same model Optura with a Canon stereo mixing mike (?) for $40! At that price I just HAD to buy it. Camera and mike are mint but no manuals or charger/AC adapter so I have some more shopping to do.

Now I'm all set for that one-man three camera shoot. :-)

Greg Toope June 1st, 2007 12:52 PM

the image is definitely nice and crisp thats forsure, so far I am quite pleased with the camera. The Steady Stick is nice and they have added an extra arm to the device which can be used as a small monopod for low shots (as the arm is only about 12-15 inches long), a swing out arm for helping to steady your shots, and can also be used to put on your shoulder so that the camera not only rests on your hips but your shoulder. So all in all not to shabby for 99 bux.

And its always nice to have multiple cameras. As of now I have

JVC GY-HD1u
JVC GY-DV300u
Sony TRV-17

And two digital SLRs
Canon 10D
Canon 300D

I seem to be one of those people that just has a real problem getting rid of old equipment.

Also I did some encoding on the macbook (frog clip) and the laptop handled the footage quite nicely. I then captured some footage on my PowerMac G4 (1.25ghz) and it surprisingly handled the footage. The only thing is of course rendering which will be an absolute killer on the G4. But its nice to see that I can work on it. Again an older machine that I just cant bring myself to get rid of.

Dave Eaton June 1st, 2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 690380)
the image is definitely nice and crisp thats forsure, so far I am quite pleased with the camera. The Steady Stick is nice and they have added an extra arm to the device which can be used as a small monopod for low shots (as the arm is only about 12-15 inches long), a swing out arm for helping to steady your shots, and can also be used to put on your shoulder so that the camera not only rests on your hips but your shoulder. So all in all not to shabby for 99 bux.

I'll consider getting one myself. Going to wait to see the type of shooting I'll be doing before accumulating a bunch of neat tools I'll never use. Right now I expect my video shooting will mostly be lit and tripod shot (note to self: remember to turn off OIS when on a tripod), so a Steady Stick won't be needed...yet.

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And its always nice to have multiple cameras. As of now I have

JVC GY-HD1u
JVC GY-DV300u
Sony TRV-17
Cool. We can team up and do a two-man, six camera shoot. :-)

Felt nice to play with the Optura today (kludged a charger to charge the very dead batteries). Really prefer the Optura's 35mm camera type form-factor to most vidcams. Very easy to hold steady and shoot smooth with. Now I need to remind myself that the JVC is the "A" camera and I need to master it, so put the Optura down.

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Also I did some encoding on the macbook (frog clip) and the laptop handled the footage quite nicely.
Great! Internal or external hard drive? Just curious as I'm always hearing about things that won't work that people that don't know that seem to be doing everyday.

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I then captured some footage on my PowerMac G4 (1.25ghz) and it surprisingly handled the footage. The only thing is of course rendering which will be an absolute killer on the G4. But its nice to see that I can work on it. Again an older machine that I just cant bring myself to get rid of.
Newer than my dual 867 G4, rendering time is coffee and break time.

Then, I have several PowerPC Macs and a G3 tower still. I use those for my "bill by the hour" jobs or when clients are here, watching over my shoulder. Just kidding. :-)

Greg Toope June 1st, 2007 05:41 PM

well it looks like im going to have to get a hold of B&H on Sunday as there is a dead pixel just slightly off center. Cant see it while recording but when playing back the footage on the HDTV can see it very clearly. It really stands out when shooting with less light as its very prominent. Very sad. So hopefully they dont have some crazy thing that 1 dead pixel doesnt warrent a return. Will see when I call them.

And a 6 camera shoot would be plenty of fun!!! The most ive ever been involved with is a 4 camera shoot and that was pretty nice. And even better to edit, as you always have at least one cam thats getting a nice shot.

So I guess Ill let you all know how my dead pixel issue goes and what resolves out of it.

Question for "Damon Gaskin", how long did it take for the RMA with your camera? Did you have to pay anything upfront to ship it or how did that work?

And in regards to what drive im using on the macbook, Im using the internal 5400 drive and it seems to be working just fine. It may choke if Im doing multiple video layers but we will have to see. I can see having to pick up a newer mac come this fall. Wouldnt that be to bad :)

Damon Gaskin June 1st, 2007 10:08 PM

Greg: I had the replacement the next day. We ordered it next day Saturday. We did not have to pay for the new camera while the RMA was being transmitted(had to jump through hoops though and pitch a b##ch). They paid for next day shipping for the RMA and also for the new camera to come to us. But once again, I had the new camera the very next day. It wasn't easy either for that setup and I am sort of displeased with the whole ordeal we had to go through and the calls back and forth for a whole afternoon. I spoke with four different reps and my friend spoke with another 3. We had three different order and RMA numbers and the person my friend spoke with was not very nice. It was not a pleasant order process with B&H this time around on this order. But at the same time two things; this was the largest order we had placed with them, and this was not what I was used to when dealing with them on previous purchases and returns.

The odd hours, the memory card experience(had to make like four calls betwen B&H and JVC only to speak back with B&H and someone to say after 30 seconds that they would mail out a replacement little 8MB card), being placed on hold for extended periods of time after only being asked one question over and over and over regarding the return, and lastly, the return/exchange experience all together has really made me not want to mail order again. I guess though that I should be greatful. I have never had any return problem via mailorder up until this point. With that in mind, I suppose I was overdue.

But their RMA process when it was finally done was easy.. They give you a sheet or should I say email you a RMA sheet, you indicate the reason for the return or exchange, include that in your box along with a copy of the original sales invoice, attach the UPS label they also will email you on the return box(that is, if they give you that option), take it to your local UPS and your done for the return.

I am not sure, or should I say they probably will not do this on average to be honest with you, so I would not hold my breathe. Ours, as a manager I spoke with in the end advised, was "a special circumstance" for this policy.

But that is our story.

Dave Eaton June 2nd, 2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 690532)
well it looks like im going to have to get a hold of B&H on Sunday as there is a dead pixel just slightly off center. Cant see it while recording but when playing back the footage on the HDTV can see it very clearly.

Bummer. I don't have an HDTV and probably won't for a while yet. Like I mentioned previously, I'm getting the extended warranty so if I later discover a problem it will be covered that way. It's good you found the problem early.

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And a 6 camera shoot would be plenty of fun!!! The most ive ever been involved with is a 4 camera shoot and that was pretty nice. And even better to edit, as you always have at least one cam thats getting a nice shot.
No kidding. I can image that having footage from four cameras to work with would be nice from a selection point of view, might also be a syncing challenge. I'm just hoping my two camera ideas work well, will probably have to be in DV mode until I learn this stuff better.

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And in regards to what drive im using on the macbook, Im using the internal 5400 drive and it seems to be working just fine. It may choke if Im doing multiple video layers but we will have to see. I can see having to pick up a newer mac come this fall. Wouldnt that be to bad :)
Thanks for the info. I've always read that you had to have 7200 rpm for video but no one ever said what would happen if you used a 5400 rpm. I know I saw "drive too slow" warnings on a guy's notebook but he was trying to record direct to disk and he said the drive speed of the notebook's drive was 4400 or 4500 rpm (I think).

Hope you have a smooth exchange experience.

Greg Toope June 2nd, 2007 03:21 PM

yeah i hope so too. I cant see them giving me any issues since it is actually a defect. I just hope they get it all happening nice and fast. I did find a piece of software that is used for fixing dead pixels on your footage. So even after the RMA I may look into buying it. I believe its around $40 and works for Final Cut Pro 4 or 5. My other camera has a dead pixel on it so that would help me fix that. Seems to work really nice.

Ive included a link just in case any of your cameras get this problem

http://www.digital-heaven.co.uk/fcpl...ncarnation.php

Has a nice little video clip to show you how easy it works.

Dave Eaton June 2nd, 2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope (Post 690894)
I did find a piece of software that is used for fixing dead pixels on your footage.

That looks pretty cool and less effort than my Magic Marker on the screen approach. They have some other interesting items, too. I assume there's one for Windows, too. Thanks for sharing the link.

Greg Toope June 3rd, 2007 12:44 PM

well i contacted B&H today in regards to my camera and they seemed pretty good about everything. Was only on the phone with them for about 10 minutes. They sent me an RMA form and gave my their account number with UPS so that I didnt have to pay for anything. Looks like ill be without the camera for a week or so, but rather that then have a burnt out pixel.

I think I may not have gotten the 'run around' as I buy everything through my company and have bought numerous orders, some of them being a fair amount. It always seems to help when they think they are dealing with a company and not just one person.

Anyways Ill keep you up to date on how it progresses.

Also I went and filmed a buddy of mine get his black belt today (thought I may as well get a bit more footage before having to send the camera back). It was not overly well lit and I was pleasantly surprised as to how well it recorded. There were a few spots where it lost focus but quickly found it again once I stopped moving the camera.

Damon Gaskin June 3rd, 2007 03:22 PM

Greg, I am glad to hear your experience was much better than ours! And I am sure that ordering history and through a company helps tremendously.. But I am also sorry to hear that you'll be without your cam for a week! That sucks! But I do agree also with you on it's better to be without it for a week and then to have the new camera... But yes, keep us updated!!!!!

And yes, the lowlight thing as Dave and I discussed and also I think Ken posted some clips previously, is blown way, way out of proportion on this camera. It simply makes and made no sense once I got the first one and immediately shot some clips of a room only illuminated by my halide on my fish tank(100 watts, but about 6 inches from water level and blue spectrum). I had really no noise as I followed instructions here and turned AGC off. I have some footage I shot yesterday in pretty much pitch black, so I am going to see how that looks when I injest it into the machine. But everything I have seen so far has been really impressive about the camera! Especially for the cost of it! When you factor into that, its insane..

People are just as I call them "on the bandwagonners or naysayers"! That is the only explination I can come up with other than "an agenda to ruin this camera's name". But I and everyone that has seen the footage from the camera think it looks great! I even had a guy(I don't care for him though for something he said that was really inexcuseable) ask me how much it ran and if it was only in NTSC as he is in PAL.

And dude, your using auto with that thing? LOL I think I used auto for the first time yesterday just to see how it would work. It was in the low light situation I mentioned and though it did not do too bad, from the lcd it didn't look as good as the manual focus and white balancing. I did this on purpose so I would not even get used to the auto functions at all. The thing I am trying to work on now and it will take time is if I can basically rack focus while zooming. If I can get that down, watch out...

But yes, keep us up to date with the rma and return! I am off. I have to clean up a few projects and burn a few dvd's. I actually now have burned 4 different little projects to SD and like the results for now! He he He I also have been experimenting with H264 exports and this looks to be the most promising little codec for great video quality(yes, I am late on this one, but better late than never... LOL) and smaller file sizes... Anyhew!

Later man,

D

Greg Toope June 3rd, 2007 07:37 PM

well the camera is all packed up and ready to go out first thing tomorrow morning. Kinda sad. At least I got a chance to play around with it for the weekend. Hopefully the next one that comes will be all good!!''


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