On my Gigabyte board is seems that if I power up before boot it assumes it is internal drive and sometimes will not let me shut down the drive to change it, but if I power up after boot it assumes it is external and will let me power down etc as if it was an external drive. I use some Thermaltake Docks so want to exchange drives as needed so always now power up after boot.

Ron Evans

Thanks Ron. I'll get a cable and try both ways. Thanks again ;).

My experience with eSATA drives is that they work best if you power them on while the PC is booting, then power off after the PC is shut down.

Once as an experiment I just left them on and when the PC booted up, it didn't see them at all.

I use Lacie adapters and have had good success. For FW 800 I use this adapter LaCie - PC Card FireWire 800 I am not aware of an eSATA PCMCIA card but I could be wrong.

I am attaching an img of the back of the Lacie D2 quadra that uses 4 of the varies connections for illustration. Hope it helps.

Thanks so much guys. This info. should really help me out, since I could use SATA instead of firewire 400.

I wound up purchasing this cable:

Newegg.com - SIIG 3.28 ft. eSATA to SATA I Cable Model CB-SA0311-S1 - Cables

It's expensive for a wire, $23 w/ tax and shipping, but is designed for exactly what I'm trying to do.

Should arrive in a few days, hope it works well.

Thanks again.

In my experience, the processor has more to do with performance than modern disks or interfaces. All four of the current interfaces are more than capable of handling a majority of what most editors require. For example, as an editor, I routinely receive projects on hard drives that have USB 2.0 as the connection. Whether it's DV, HDV, AVCHD, the USB 2.0 connection serves us well. Typically, I edit up to three streams at a time, and even at the HDV bitrate of 3.6 MB/sec x 3 streams this only requires around 12MB and that's being generous. I've tested my external USB drives and they're capable of over 20MB/sec. The bottleneck these days in my opinion is processor speed. When I upgraded from a Core 2 duo to a Core 2 quad, this enabled me to edit even AVCHD natively. My processor runs between 50%-60% with native AVC.

It seems that a new connection standard is around the corner. Looks impressive.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/superspeed-us-1/

If I am not mistaken won't that drop your eSATA speed from SATA II (300MB/s) to SATA I speed (150 MB/s.) I could be reading the specs wrong but that is what it looks like to me.

Yes it will, you read it correctly. My mobo actually is SATA I.

It's just a cable so the motherboard and device used will govern how fast it goes.

Ron Evans

Ron, that makes sense. Well the cable arrived and it seems to be working fine. I'm not even going to try booting the disk after the BIOS test or hot swapping. I'm just going to power it before boot-up and power it down after the computer is off. Sounds like a pain, but I think the extra speed is worth it.

Thanks again everyone ;).

Although eSATA is the best option - I'm not sure why people are recommending against FW800. I edited a feature-length documentary shot on EX1 cameras using a Caldigit FW 800 drive. Never had a problem, or wished my drives moved quicker. I did wish my drives were bigger, but that's a different problem entirely.

I think people are just saying that it goes in this order: eSATA, FW800, FW400, USB2. Looking at the bandwidth specs, I believe I could have used FW400, which is what I was expecting to use.

But when it was mentioned that eSATA and SATA are compatible except for the connector, I jumped on the idea of connecting my external drive directly to an empty SATA head on my motherboard.

Also, I use Avid which can be pretty finicky (err suck at times) when it comes to firewire capture, so I've been operating with the unsubstantiated belief that the less firewire devices connected the better.

In general PC's do not have FW800. They have 1394 ( 6 and/or 4 pin), lots of USB connectors and with newer boards eSATA as well as mainly SATA(1 or 2 depending on age) internally.

Ron Evans

Choose your idea computer!
 

Hey, you know, as everyone here is so up on the technology and we all recognize that the processor speed and system specs are so important.... why don't we pick out a few computers that would be great HD editing sytems?

Either name the specs for the BEST computer one should get today if you built it, or better yet, choose one from Learn about Dell's laptops, desktops, monitors, printers, computer electronics & accessories. or Best Buy Canada

It should be interesting to see what crazy stuff is out there right now. I may even just upgrade based on your recommendation.

You may have a look here: Adobe Forums: A PC buying guide for NLE (mainly Intel)
At the end is a link to my setup, with the major components listed.

Oh, thanks for the link. I went with option 1 from the thread, which is to buy one from Dell. Yes, as it turns out, this thread inspired me to do a much needed upgrade.

I don't think this is a dual core, but should be enough to edit Cineform Neo Scene on Premiere Elements 7 easily. I was looking for these:

1) fast processor
2) lots of RAM
3) 1 TB hard drive
4) eSata port
5) blu-disc burner.

I ended up getting a 23" screen as well. What do you think of these specs, can this computer do anything?

Studio XPS featuring Core i7 processors, Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit.

Studio XPS Studio XPS featuring Core i7 processors
Processors Intel® Core? i7-920 Processor(8MB L3 Cache, 2.66GHz)
Memory 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
Video Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 512MB
Hard Drives 1.28 TB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 640GB SATA 3Gb/s 7200 RPM HDDs)
Optical Drives Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc (BD) Burner (Writes to DVD/CD/BD)
Sound Card Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Ronald,

A couple of remarks/suggestions.

1. If the model is the XPS435, be aware the Bios is crippled and can not be overclocked.
2. With 6 DIMM's should it not be 12 GB ?
3. Get Dell to NOT install a raid0, but to leave them as individual disks and to install the OS on one disk.
4. Buy an additional 640 G disk (same brand and model as Dell supplies), install it yourself.

In general it is not a good idea to use a raid0 as boot disk. After you have installed a third disk, you can choose to make a raid0 with the 2 non-boot disks if you want, but probably it is better to leave them separate.

Hi Harm,

Thanks for your reply.

1. I didn't get the XPS435, although it was on the list of possibles. It is the Studio XPS. Might still have the same motherboard, I dunno.

2. Dunno about the Dimms.

3. I dunno if they will make it a Raid0 as it's all automated from the factory. I'll have to check when I get it I guess.

4. If it is a Raid0 and I can't change it on my own, then I may get another disc and see. I actually will be putting in my old 150 GB SATA drive from my other computer into it.

Thanks!