Smooth iMovie/FCP HD HDV Workflow

Frederic Lumiere · February 11th, 2005, 09:44 PM

Filip,

It looks like this will be easier with the Z1 and the pro deck than it is with the FX1.

We'll try.

Frederic

Heath McKnight · February 11th, 2005, 11:38 PM

Is anyone having audio sync problems? I thought I saw/heard some "slipping," but otherwise, nothing.

heath

Filip Kovcin · February 12th, 2005, 04:35 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Frederic Haubrich : Filip,

It looks like this will be easier with the Z1 and the pro deck than it is with the FX1.

We'll try.

Frederic -->>>

thanks frederic,

that's what is needed !

fo course i'm talking about Z1.

filip

p.s.

say hello to tosha, and tell him this (fonetically!!!):

==========================
shtah rahdish seeneh? dhe see? :)))
==========================

translation: hey man (son) what are you doing, where are you...

it's kind of invitation when you see each other, and bit of slang in his native tounge. nothing offence.

Heath McKnight · February 12th, 2005, 10:24 AM

For the FCP HD settings via iMovie HD captured clips, what should I put in for the HD10? Upper (odd) and Square pixels?

Thanks,

heath

Sam Edwards · February 12th, 2005, 10:44 PM

With all due respect for the people who have generously given their time and expertise to this board - I would not call this a smooth workflow. A smooth workflow would be if Apple would not hold back features from their pro customers. What's worse is that I'm crashing just playing back footage in the timeline on a dual 2 ghz g5. It makes you want to get a pc!
Sam

Heath McKnight · February 12th, 2005, 10:48 PM

Don't get a PC! <g> I don't have issues like that on my single processor G5 1.6 ghz Power Mac, but it can be a bit of a pain in the neck. I'm starting to notice the artifacting, which really stinks.

heath

Sam Edwards · February 12th, 2005, 11:00 PM

Has anybody else had trouble with fcp freezing when playing back edits in an AIC timeline?
thanks,
Sam

Heath McKnight · February 12th, 2005, 11:05 PM

No, but my copy of iMovie HD keeps having problems reading my HD10.

heath

Kaku Ito · February 13th, 2005, 10:34 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Has anybody else had trouble with fcp freezing when playing back edits in an AIC timeline?
thanks,
Sam -->>>

Sam,

If you look at my post in this tread, I mentioned that direct playing back with transitions would hang up FCPHD (rainbow wheels spinning forever).
Since current version of FCPHD is not officially supporting AIC at this point, we just have to wait until it gets supported.

Sam Edwards · February 13th, 2005, 10:49 AM

Hi Kaku,
I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD?
thanks,
Sam

Kaku Ito · February 13th, 2005, 10:54 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Hi Kaku,
I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD?
thanks,
Sam -->>>

What you can do at this point is to use "media manager" and save the clips on a timeline as something works good (anamorphic DV or offline DV), do the edit and export back the timeline as AIC and show the original AIC clips.

Frederic Lumiere · February 13th, 2005, 11:24 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : <<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Hi Kaku,
I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD?
thanks,
Sam -->>>

What you can do at this point is to use "media manager" and save the clips on a timeline as something works good (anamorphic DV or offline DV), do the edit and export back the timeline as AIC and show the original AIC clips. -->>>

Exactly,

If you can deal with the AIC artifacts, you should edit AIC offline.

Both Kaku and I have mentioned this in this thread. It's not there yet.

HDV editing is experimental. That's just the way it is.

Frederic

Frederic Lumiere · February 13th, 2005, 11:28 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : With all due respect for the people who have generously given their time and expertise to this board - I would not call this a smooth workflow. A smooth workflow would be if Apple would not hold back features from their pro customers. What's worse is that I'm crashing just playing back footage in the timeline on a dual 2 ghz g5. It makes you want to get a pc!
Sam -->>>

Sam,

I don't think Apple is holding features back from us. When iMovie HD and FCE HD came out, I thought it was a little peculiar that they didn't include HDV support in FCP HD.

After analyzing AIC closer, it makes sense. AIC isn't a professional quality codec. Many are now noticing the artifacts it introduces. It's no big deal for consumers who edit their kids birthday party but it's not acceptable for a professional solution.

Apple isn't holding anything back, they just aren't ready yet with a robust professional HDV editing solution. Editing MPEG is tough.

Frederic

Filip Kovcin · February 13th, 2005, 01:29 PM

do not forget that NAB is very close, so guys from apple must have some aces there.

look what others are doing... same story.

filip

Heath McKnight · February 13th, 2005, 09:10 PM

I'm starting to notice said artifacts, Frederic. Ugh...

heath

February 11th, 2005, 11:38 PM	#77
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Is anyone having audio sync problems? I thought I saw/heard some "slipping," but otherwise, nothing. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 12th, 2005, 04:35 AM	#78
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	<<<-- Originally posted by Frederic Haubrich : Filip, It looks like this will be easier with the Z1 and the pro deck than it is with the FX1. We'll try. Frederic -->>> thanks frederic, that's what is needed ! fo course i'm talking about Z1. filip p.s. say hello to tosha, and tell him this (fonetically!!!): ========================== shtah rahdish seeneh? dhe see? :))) ========================== translation: hey man (son) what are you doing, where are you... it's kind of invitation when you see each other, and bit of slang in his native tounge. nothing offence. __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

February 12th, 2005, 10:24 AM	#79
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	For the FCP HD settings via iMovie HD captured clips, what should I put in for the HD10? Upper (odd) and Square pixels? Thanks, heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 12th, 2005, 10:44 PM	#80
Sam Edwards New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Marin Posts: 13	Smoth workflow?! With all due respect for the people who have generously given their time and expertise to this board - I would not call this a smooth workflow. A smooth workflow would be if Apple would not hold back features from their pro customers. What's worse is that I'm crashing just playing back footage in the timeline on a dual 2 ghz g5. It makes you want to get a pc! Sam

February 12th, 2005, 10:48 PM	#81
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Don't get a PC! <g> I don't have issues like that on my single processor G5 1.6 ghz Power Mac, but it can be a bit of a pain in the neck. I'm starting to notice the artifacting, which really stinks. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 11th, 2005, 09:44 PM	#76
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Filip, It looks like this will be easier with the Z1 and the pro deck than it is with the FX1. We'll try. Frederic

February 12th, 2005, 11:00 PM	#82
Sam Edwards New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Marin Posts: 13	Has anybody else had trouble with fcp freezing when playing back edits in an AIC timeline? thanks, Sam

February 12th, 2005, 11:05 PM	#83
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	No, but my copy of iMovie HD keeps having problems reading my HD10. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 13th, 2005, 10:34 AM	#84
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	<<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Has anybody else had trouble with fcp freezing when playing back edits in an AIC timeline? thanks, Sam -->>> Sam, If you look at my post in this tread, I mentioned that direct playing back with transitions would hang up FCPHD (rainbow wheels spinning forever). Since current version of FCPHD is not officially supporting AIC at this point, we just have to wait until it gets supported.

February 13th, 2005, 10:49 AM	#85
Sam Edwards New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Marin Posts: 13	Hi Kaku, I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD? thanks, Sam

February 13th, 2005, 10:54 AM	#86
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	<<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Hi Kaku, I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD? thanks, Sam -->>> What you can do at this point is to use "media manager" and save the clips on a timeline as something works good (anamorphic DV or offline DV), do the edit and export back the timeline as AIC and show the original AIC clips.

February 13th, 2005, 11:24 AM	#87
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	<<<-- Originally posted by Kaku Ito : <<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : Hi Kaku, I guess I missed it in my frustration. Has anybody tried FCE-HD? thanks, Sam -->>> What you can do at this point is to use "media manager" and save the clips on a timeline as something works good (anamorphic DV or offline DV), do the edit and export back the timeline as AIC and show the original AIC clips. -->>> Exactly, If you can deal with the AIC artifacts, you should edit AIC offline. Both Kaku and I have mentioned this in this thread. It's not there yet. HDV editing is experimental. That's just the way it is. Frederic

February 13th, 2005, 11:28 AM	#88
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Re: Smoth workflow?! <<<-- Originally posted by Sam Edwards : With all due respect for the people who have generously given their time and expertise to this board - I would not call this a smooth workflow. A smooth workflow would be if Apple would not hold back features from their pro customers. What's worse is that I'm crashing just playing back footage in the timeline on a dual 2 ghz g5. It makes you want to get a pc! Sam -->>> Sam, I don't think Apple is holding features back from us. When iMovie HD and FCE HD came out, I thought it was a little peculiar that they didn't include HDV support in FCP HD. After analyzing AIC closer, it makes sense. AIC isn't a professional quality codec. Many are now noticing the artifacts it introduces. It's no big deal for consumers who edit their kids birthday party but it's not acceptable for a professional solution. Apple isn't holding anything back, they just aren't ready yet with a robust professional HDV editing solution. Editing MPEG is tough. Frederic

February 13th, 2005, 01:29 PM	#89
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	do not forget that NAB is very close, so guys from apple must have some aces there. look what others are doing... same story. filip __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

February 13th, 2005, 09:10 PM	#90
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I'm starting to notice said artifacts, Frederic. Ugh... heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog