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Simon Wyndham June 29th, 2006 02:05 AM

Nope... I think any camera they release will be HDV of some sort. But it is interesting that they have just bought a 24p license. After all, why get one unless it is going to be put into a future camera?

Do they need to purchase the 24p license while developing a 24p camera, or can they leave it until a new camera is about to be released onto the market?

The GL2 is long in the tooth, and Canon surely realise the demand for an HDV styled GL2 variant. Hmmmmm.

Paul Rickford June 29th, 2006 07:54 AM

Waited way a long time for this - but wait the Gl2 in Japan (XV2) has always been Slate gray, please not a cruel tease at this stage?

Paul

Simon Wyndham June 29th, 2006 08:06 AM

Yes, could well be a photoshop job! Wouldn't take much to make that LCD look 16:9.

Bob Zimmerman June 29th, 2006 08:26 AM

I would like to see a native 16:9 24p Sd camera myself.

Chris Hurd June 29th, 2006 09:18 AM

Bob, the XL2 is a 16:9 24p SD camera.

Bob Zimmerman June 29th, 2006 09:21 AM

ok I should say I would like a native 16:9, 24p, SD in something the size of a GL2.

Bob Zimmerman June 29th, 2006 09:23 AM

I just wanted a smaller camera. The XL2 looks good and if the price keeps dropping,,,,,who knows.

Pasty Jackson June 29th, 2006 09:46 AM

May I point out that although the LCD looks to be 16:9, the matte box still looks to be 4:3... of course it's hard to tell from that perspective, but it just doesn't seem to be wide enough.

-pasty

Brian Carrell June 29th, 2006 10:20 AM

I think Chris is just having some fun.... Now, when he actually puts up a new GL3 or GLH1 forum...........


I have an XLH1, and still have a 7-year old GL1. (an XL1, GL2 and an XL2 have come and gone as well) But if there ever is a GL-ish sized HDV, then I'm there! (Then I can let my wife use the GL1, she's been wanting to for a real long time! --I thought about giving her my FX1, but she'd just shoot another 80 hours of footage of her cat, only this tme in HD)

Bob Zimmerman June 29th, 2006 10:23 AM

I think he saw a picture and he is wondering what it is too. I doubt Canon tells many people when they have something coming out and if Chris knows he wouldn't say.

Chris Hurd June 29th, 2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Rickford
but wait the Gl2 in Japan (XV2) has always been Slate gray... please not a cruel tease at this stage?

Now would I do such a thing? And if I would do such a thing, at least it gets us thinking and talking, right...?

The XV2 has always been slate gray? What, you mean this ain't the GL3? Are we sure about that? D'oh!

Steven Davis June 29th, 2006 11:12 AM

Maybe Sony is putting out custom color cameras, can I please have one in yellow with black stripes?

Bob Zimmerman June 29th, 2006 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
Now would I do such a thing? And if I would do such a thing, at least it gets us thinking and talking, right...?

The XV2 has always been slate gray? What, you mean this ain't the GL3? Are we sure about that? D'oh!

if you go to some Japen Canon sites it looks just like the XV2. But on the first picture Chris posted the LCD is different.

Frank Granovski July 1st, 2006 04:56 AM

That pic looks like the Japanese black version of the GL2. Yes, in Japan, you can get the black one like the Pana Black Mamba a couple years back. Only in Japan. :-(

Bob Zimmerman July 1st, 2006 09:17 AM

ok,,,I just checked Canon's website and they extended the GL2 $250 rebate till sept 30, 2006!! What the h#%$ kind of crap is that? At least give $500 or something new.
How long are they going to hang on to this camera? I'm sure it is a good camcorder, maybe update it or something. Maybe they will still come out with a new one too,,,,but it doesn't look like it.

Tim Johnson July 1st, 2006 09:47 AM

The early thumbnail - I dont think thats a GL3 - looks like a photoshop to me - and hence why no larger pictures

Paul Rickford July 2nd, 2006 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Zimmerman
ok,,,I just checked Canon's website and they extended the GL2 $250 rebate till sept 30, 2006!! What the h#%$ kind of crap is that? At least give $500 or something new.
How long are they going to hang on to this camera? I'm sure it is a good camcorder, maybe update it or something. Maybe they will still come out with a new one too,,,,but it doesn't look like it.

This is insane- how many can they still be selling???, mine went the day the FX1 came out, since then i've picked up a Z1 and A1 as well. So how far can they stretch this 'loyal' Canon fan??
I Know they have a history of keeping future releases under wraps, but if they ARE ever going to get a HDV GL2 up and running at least give us a clue.

Graham Bernard July 2nd, 2006 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Rickford
This is insane-....... So how far can they stretch this 'loyal' Canon fan??

Damn reet Paul!! Damn Reet!!

Nathan James July 2nd, 2006 10:17 PM

I actually just bought 2 of em for the first time just the other day...

Wayne Morellini July 2nd, 2006 11:03 PM

Not to mention, I've been waiting to see their their for years (not that it is going to be worth the money by how they are charging now).

I think the answer is that the Mpeg4 and h264 issue has thrown a spanner in the works.

I think Japanese companies pursued a line of under nourished HDTV codec cameras and got caught off guard by the rising capability of processing technology, as it became obvious that HDV was not as seamless quality as MiniDV. Processing speed increases were slowing down, so they might have been planing to pursue Mpeg 2 with things like XDCAMHD. But then advances in multiprocessing would have caused them to access old Mpeg4. The rise of low cost and powered processing arrays, caused an American company (Ambarella) to leapfrog competitors and come out with a low cost (hopefully quality) H264 product that leap frogged their competitors. I understand they Japanese were surprised to see it. The HDTV industry in Europe started questioning the use of Mpeg4 for HDTV, and now the industry has defined pro H264 for broadcast (maybe it had something to do with the Ambarella tech as well). All these things could have caused delays in camera releases as they were accessed.

I suspect that Panasonic might have known something that caused them to go the h264 route much earlier.

The Ambarella cameras did not come out in March, as intended. They have wither started manufacture of chips and are stockpiling for a number of camera releases, or they are yet to ramp up production and only a few cameras will be able to be released this year in quantity. I think it is likely, that only a few consumer/low end prosumer H264 cameras will be released this year.

Jack Jenkins July 19th, 2006 09:28 AM

GL3 thoughts
 
I have always heard that panasonic makes the guts of canon cameras. If this is true I would imagine the GL3 to be right around the corner and to be very much like the HVX200 (only hdv) in footprint and capabilities and probably(hopefully) different CCDs, and of course a canon lens. As far as a P2 like recording medium is concerned, I think canon is stickin to tape.

Frank Granovski July 26th, 2006 04:11 AM

Someone posted this at the other place:

http://cweb.canon.jp/prodv/xhg1/index.html

Simon Wyndham July 26th, 2006 04:21 AM

Now thats much more like it!

Simon Wyndham July 26th, 2006 04:25 AM

Have you looked at the specs?

It has a full cine curve for stretching the greyscale for more range. Nice!

And the full colour matrix adjustments of the H1!

HD-SDI out, and genlock/timecode, XLR sockets etc! And the pictures on the specs page clearly show it is the G1 with these sockets on!

I think I'm gonna like this camera!

Paul Rickford July 26th, 2006 04:30 AM

At last!!
Thank God it's tape based HDV!

Not up on the US site yet, anybody know of a press event in the US / UK today?Soon?

Wow

Simon Wyndham July 26th, 2006 04:32 AM

Wow is right!

So, that Canon purchase of a 24p license might mean full resolution progressive scan?

Also notice that the pictures of the cameras have 2 rings. Possibly one for iris/zoom, and one for focus?

Graham Bernard July 26th, 2006 06:31 AM

2 rings!! aRGGGGHHH

Graham Bernard July 26th, 2006 06:38 AM

And it looks like they are slotting in 2 models. 2 models! Intersting.

Graham Bernard July 26th, 2006 06:41 AM

Front end is 72mm? Sheeet that means the WD58 is off?


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