as soon as it available, still couple weeks to go :)

One of the exhibitors at BVE in London yesterday had the XF105 in stock. Both they and others said that the XF100s should be in stock next week.


Mark

There are two videos taken with an UK XF105 production model. is ungraded indoors. is outdoors and heavily graded with Magic Bullet.

looks good to me.
especially surprised (positively) by the opening shot in the ungraded one.
low light, very low grain

mmm can't wait to hear first users impressions

At the London BVE today I had a chance to play with the xf100 alongside the cheaper avchd Xa10. No competition really, as the cheaper camera had nothing like the build quality or on camera features. It is significantly smaller, but has a plastically feel to it compared to the XF, while most the buttons i'd want to use are in a touch screen menu.

Later i ran into a guy i know who's vastly more knowledgeable about camera's than i am, who proceeded to rubbish the Canon XF models generally, saying that they were "not really 4:2:2" at all, and that Canon's contribution was "too little too late". He said that after extensive testing he'd come to the conclusion that the xf300 was way behind the 4 year old EX1 and suggested i give the Canon's a miss. He also felt that Canon must have bribed someone at the BBC to get a thumbs up from them since a 1/3 inch sensor couldn't produce the color info Canon was claiming.

Since i'd pretty much decided the XF100 would be my next camera i was left a little confused.

Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but this was the first time i'd heard a contrary view of what i'd planned to make my next purchase. In fact holding the camera in my hands, and sending some clips to Apple's Color for grading, i'm still planning to buy this camera, but it did give me pause for thought.

Hi:

I tried to backtrack on this thread but didn't find anything conclusive. Have you confirmed the price point at the BVE? I have found €3000 on fotoboom.com (Spain), incl 18% VAT, at ProAV it goes at £2,634 or approx €3120.

On a side note: I don't follow prices once I've bought, does Canon have a tradition of keeping the price the first ... 2-6 months or 1 year? Having the camera now would be great, but if there is reason to expect that within 2-3 months the price will fall significantly (more than 10%) then I might consider waiting.

Thanks, Erik

Erik

Those prices are average for here in the UK. It will be on Ebay soon for a minus VAT price from Hong Kong i suspect if you want to take a chance with that. Two and a half k should be a decent price to buy from a respected dealer in the UK.

As far a s price drops go, it depends how the camera sells initially, and what kind of competition may be on the horizon. I wouldn't expect a significant price drop in the first year, because Canon make most of their money on stills camera's and consumer camcorders, so i doubt they will be in a hurry to shift units at a discount. They're also the only manufacturer producing a 50 mbs camera in this price range, and probably figure they don't need to compromise on price, so if you want to buy it, there's no point leaving it IMO.

The BBC approval of the XF300 was, in part, a result of careful tests by a well-respected chap called Alan Roberts, who's also a regular contributor to the DV Doctor forum. The remarkable quality that he reported came from scientific and repeatable measurements. Other, more anecdotal, reports I've read that compare the EX1 and XF300 suggest the Canon is easily a match for the larger-chipped Sony, but like any camera, each has strengths and weaknesses.

Don't let your rather dismissive friend put you off trying the XF100. If it does what you need, if you like the look of the output, if it is convenient for you to use, and if you can get a good price....

Don't let your rather dismissive friend put you off trying the XF100.
 

Mark Fry

He hasn't put me off Mark. Still very interested in the camera, but this is someone whose opinion i've always valued, so it has given me pause for thought. I've had great experience with Canon stuff, and have owned an XHA1 and now the 5D mii, though i have to say i'm looking forwards to going back to a "proper" video camera after the 5D.

This guy knows a lot of people who work for the BBC and says they only use the XF300 for SD stuff as the camera is not up to the mark as an HD camera. Perhaps there are contributors here who know better?

Anyway, this is the 2nd time i've had the camera in my hands, and it just feels like a piece of kit i can get along with, which is good enough for me. I'm not into resolution charts and pixel counting etc....

There will be a very limited dealer release in the next 48 hours to authorized Canon dealers for the XF-100/105. The 105 will be very limited.

pretty strong words

the tension keeps building to see how these lil' ones really perform

Thanks Andy for this hands on ergonomic report. A great cam has to feel like an extension of your consciousness, and it sounds like the baby XFs hit that sweet spot. Are we looking at the next DVX100? Did Canon deliberately setup such a similarity between the two names!

I talked to some people who handled the XF105 prototype and they indicated there was some problem with the audio on last shot playback from within recording mode. Not sure if that changed in the production run.

yes I had read this one.
looks promising from one of the few chaps out there who actually has used it and not just read about it

I was able to handle to XF105 at BVE earlier in the week. It is a lovely little camera. Much nicer than the tiny but overpriced XA10. The guy on the Canon stand said that 40 had arrived in the UK on Monday. They currently have 15 in stock at CVP Canon XF105 (XF-105) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 50Mbps, 4:2:2 codec with Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions and studio connectivity They had 16 but I just bought one & it will be with me tomorrow morning. The price is £2,799 + VAT (sales tax) so a tax inclusive price of £3,358.80. We already have an XF305 so the XF105 is the perfect little companion.

finally someone will own it and tell real opinions : )
can't wait for your review!!!!

I am very interested to hear some first hand experience of the XF100.

Still finding my XF300 a bit too big to be practical for my needs (travel outside UK) and am still wondering about a downgrade to the XF100.

Long overdue
 

Thanks Andy for letting us in on your inspiring dates with the XF100/105. You posed the question: “…does anyone know, can you review the last clip whilst still in camera mode or not?”

I think you can, at least in normal recording mode. It’s described in the manual (NTSC) on page 87.

Link to the NTSC XF100/105 manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100

Long overdue.
I’m expecting my baby Monday or Tuesday.

Our 1st XF100 just arrived (sorry, already taken by one of our fellow posters) and expect some 105s tommorow.....

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

I know it's very early days but if anyone who gets an XF100/05 and also has an XF300 can you make some comments on how much they differ quality wise. I know it's going to be a bit but if it's only a tiny bit then I might well downgrade to an XF100 for the portability.

Yes! Yes! Yes! It is going to a member of our team. I get my turn on Wed. If anyone wants any particular tests I would be happy, work permitting, to to do them.

BTW: Working with Jim Martin and FilmTools was great, a smaller house that caters to working cinematographers.

flemming-

thank you for providing a link to the needed info.

i see in the manual pg87 that the last clip is accessible. terrific.

does anyone know if when accessing the clip there is also audio from that clip?

i believe there was a similar issue raised when the xf305/300 was released and-i could be wrong-but the last clip did not come with audio.

as i said, i could be wrong but i do remember the issue being raised.

i look forward to anybody who can confirm that that last clip can be reviewed AND reviewed with audio.

thanks in advance to all who care to share.

be well

rob

Just curious about the reference to ntsc; isn't the xf100 multi-standard (50/60)?

No, unfortunately that takes a service center upgrade.

PDF manuals
 

You’re right Rob, there is also no audio on XF300/305, when reviewing last clip in Camera mode.

From page 87 in the XF100/105 NTSC manual:

“When the camcorder is in [CAMERA] mode, you can review the last clip that was recorded…………….
After you finish recording, press the [<] button.
The last clip that was recorded is played back without audio for the selected duration.”

To playback clips with audio, you have to switch operating mode from Camera to Media (Page 110)

PDF manuals are extremely quick. (click find)

The PAL manual is not on the canon website yet

Link to XF100/105 NTSC manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100

Neither is the XF300/05.

flemming-

thanks for the info.

i'm not sure why the good folks at canon would not include audio in the "clip review".

there are times i truly believe that engineers & salespeople develop these cameras and not working film-makers.

ymmv

be well

rob

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

XF105 ungraded. A commercial piece about light systems, but the indoor shots of the light are at 24db and also show lens flare resistance.


Our team's XF100 is supposed to arrive today. Hopefully, I will get my hands on it soon and post some test shots. Anxious to test the audio preamps also, heard they are better than most.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

My XF100 shipped today from Adorama. I'm really getting tired of reading the manual!

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

I have to say this camera is looking to be quite the tool for $3000. The comparison to the DVX-100 might be true for the HD era. The size is really welcomed for a lower priced camera as the EX-1/XF-300 size is just too big & heavy to handhold for a long time.

The infrared feature in the Canon line is really smart. Canon seems to on a roll with this line.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

couldn't agree more as a EX1r owner....
no matter what, still too heavy, although splendid image and on a class if its own for low light

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

The cameras are being released to NE dealers from OHIO as we speak. My dealer, Al-Art Video, expects to see them on Tuesday. Limited supply...no 105's released as of yet.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

Got my XF100 this morning.
Charged the battery.
The menu is super logical.
Made test shots.
Imported from CF card directly into Edius.
She is an absolute beauty.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

We got our XF100 so resisting the desire to ditch real work and play with it. I suspect it is no accident that it was called the XF100 to indicate that will become as iconic as the DVX100 was.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

How is the low light perfomance and how does it handle gain? is it clean at +9db?

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

Run that indoor gain setting buy me again?

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

I’m new to camcorders.
But I’ve set the Automatic Gain Control Limit to +6 dB.
That looks natural, above 6 makes noise in the picture.
But what do I know, there is hardly no light in my house.
I think the low light performance is excelent.

Star ferry Hongkong
 

Hong Kong at night filmed with Canon XF100

HK 17-21/03/2011

My plan was to upload videos on my trip, but I'm now in China and Vimeo is ”no go” from inside china.

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

That's impressive low light performance. Thanks for posting. You might want to get the administrator to move this to a newer thread on the XF100/105.

Re: Star ferry Hongkong
 

flemming-

thanks for the post.

care to share your settings?

+6db? +9db? +12db?

and that last shot!

oh, u film-maker on the go.

outstanding.

be well

rob
smalltalk productions

Re: Canon introduces XF105 and XF100
 

Hi Rob

Thanks.

All shots except the last:

Shutter speed: 1/25 sec.
F Number: 1.8 - 2.8 depending on focal lenght
Auto focus
Gain: +9 dB
Auto white balance

Just made a 24 hour timelapse of Shanghai skyline.
Breathtaking. XF100 is a Darling.
Will upload when I reach Japan.