Sunny Day! 24P Low light and Handheld Test at DVinfo.net

Solomon Chase · May 22nd, 2007, 10:37 PM

Finally got around to this. Not as much movie magic as last time because I'm busy with some paying projects.

Someone on forum asked me to shoot a lowlight test and a handheld test with 1/48 Shutter, 24P

I actually shot 2 separate tests. Both handheld, second WMV is low light test.

First Test "Sunny Day"
http://solomonchase.com/HV20/handheld.wmv EDIT: 1st CLIP UPDATED: Fixed interlace, added more panning shots

Second Test "Concert"
http://solomonchase.com/HV20/concert.wmv (in the last band shot the camera is sitting on table)

Victor Woo · May 23rd, 2007, 12:54 AM

Hi Solomon, I've seen your video tests and was amazed by your shooting.
I can hardly find visible noise point in your low light test. While these image noisy was inevitable when I shot out at night.(I used "Auto" mode with 24p.)
So would you pls tell me how to avoid these noisy? Adjust shutter speed using shutter prior mode OR using post edit technique?

Adam Perry · May 23rd, 2007, 08:16 AM

looks great!

did you lock the shutter at 1/48 and then manually adjust aperture? your setup process would be much appreciated! also, do you have before after shots of the outdoor stuff and what you did in vegas for the CC? i never get great results from vegas...don't know why.

Glenn Thomas · May 23rd, 2007, 10:17 AM

Great looking clips. The night one was a bit shakey, but nice colour correction. I'm guessing the girl at the ATM machine was waving to you!?

The sunny day clip looked great aswell. The bird part was funny. You actually climbed the tree to grab that shot?

Solomon Chase · May 23rd, 2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Thomas

Great looking clips. The night one was a bit shakey, but nice colour correction. I'm guessing the girl at the ATM machine was waving to you!?

The sunny day clip looked great aswell. The bird part was funny. You actually climbed the tree to grab that shot?

:) Yes. I climbed a tree.

The band was "Cool Hand Luke"

Shutter was locked 1/48 and I think 1/24 for a shot or two. Exposure locked and adjusted manually.

Adam, there is a before and after on my first footage thread. It was basically a subtle S-curve on blue, and large highlight curve on red and green. footage was underexposed for more latitude.

Solomon Chase · May 23rd, 2007, 11:32 AM

EDIT: 1st CLIP UPDATED: Fixed interlace, added more panning shots

Dale Backus · May 25th, 2007, 01:44 AM

Hey Solomon,

Great stuff, really really great. Had a question though, what was your process for de-interlacing? Your 24p (of the recently edited handheld.wmv file) was fantastic looking.

Thanks!

Jay Cowley · May 25th, 2007, 07:15 AM

if the footage is 24 "p" why would deinterlacing even be necessary, I thought the footage would be in 24 'full' frames already

Adam Perry · May 25th, 2007, 08:35 AM

its 24p stored in a 60i format

Tom Ellingsen · May 25th, 2007, 01:21 PM

Well looking there, the low-ligt especially shows why this is the best camcorder in it's price range and above ;)

Joel Endicott · May 26th, 2007, 09:54 AM

Solomon,
What is the music in the daylight clip? It's very cool.

Jay Cowley · May 27th, 2007, 07:54 PM

I watched your sunny day clip, the 24p motion was very smooth. I have been unable to get that little stutter with such a smooth motion with my hv20 (just recording in 24p and watching directly on tv)

does your video look choppier straight off the camera, and then you make it smoother after capturing to your computer, or would it look the exact same (motion wise) if you just played the raw footage on an HDTV?

Solomon Chase · May 27th, 2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Cowley

I watched your sunny day clip, the 24p motion was very smooth. I have been unable to get that little stutter with such a smooth motion with my hv20 (just recording in 24p and watching directly on tv)

does your video look choppier straight off the camera, and then you make it smoother after capturing to your computer, or would it look the exact same (motion wise) if you just played the raw footage on an HDTV?

For smooth 24p you'll need to shoot with a 1/48 shutter and remove the pulldown (to get true 24p frames). Also being slower with pans and movements will help

Jay Cowley · May 27th, 2007, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solomon Chase

For smooth 24p you'll need to shoot with a 1/48 shutter and remove the pulldown (to get true 24p frames). Also being slower with pans and movements will help

I've been shooting at 1/48, but i don't think i've 'removed the pulldown.' I just played back the footage i recorded at 24p (and 1/48th shutter) and then played the raw footage back on my TV straight from my camera. I was finding that the footage seemed a bit choppy and a had a weird motion to it.

Is there something I can actually do on my computer that will make this footage look more smooth then what I'm seeing when playing back directly to a TV?? This would make be very happy, because up to now, I'm worried I've spent all this money on the HV20, but haven't yet been satisfied with the motion of the 24p mode.

Steve Jones · June 24th, 2007, 06:30 AM

hi Solomon,

Would your video look as good if you played it straight away thru your hdtv.

Without post editing it?

best,

Steve.

May 22nd, 2007, 10:37 PM	#1
Solomon Chase Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Woodstock, Georgia Posts: 154	Sunny Day! 24P Low light and Handheld Test Finally got around to this. Not as much movie magic as last time because I'm busy with some paying projects. Someone on forum asked me to shoot a lowlight test and a handheld test with 1/48 Shutter, 24P I actually shot 2 separate tests. Both handheld, second WMV is low light test. First Test "Sunny Day" http://solomonchase.com/HV20/handheld.wmv EDIT: 1st CLIP UPDATED: Fixed interlace, added more panning shots Second Test "Concert" http://solomonchase.com/HV20/concert.wmv (in the last band shot the camera is sitting on table) Last edited by Solomon Chase; May 23rd, 2007 at 11:00 AM.

May 23rd, 2007, 12:54 AM	#2
Victor Woo New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Beijing,China Posts: 11	How do you avoid image noisy when shooting in dark? Hi Solomon, I've seen your video tests and was amazed by your shooting. I can hardly find visible noise point in your low light test. While these image noisy was inevitable when I shot out at night.(I used "Auto" mode with 24p.) So would you pls tell me how to avoid these noisy? Adjust shutter speed using shutter prior mode OR using post edit technique?

May 23rd, 2007, 10:17 AM	#4
Glenn Thomas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Great looking clips. The night one was a bit shakey, but nice colour correction. I'm guessing the girl at the ATM machine was waving to you!? The sunny day clip looked great aswell. The bird part was funny. You actually climbed the tree to grab that shot? __________________ Personal Website: http://www.avene.org

May 26th, 2007, 09:54 AM	#11
Joel Endicott Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: League City, TX Posts: 26	music in first clip? Solomon, What is the music in the daylight clip? It's very cool.

May 23rd, 2007, 08:16 AM	#3
Adam Perry Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 77	looks great! did you lock the shutter at 1/48 and then manually adjust aperture? your setup process would be much appreciated! also, do you have before after shots of the outdoor stuff and what you did in vegas for the CC? i never get great results from vegas...don't know why.

May 23rd, 2007, 11:32 AM	#6
Solomon Chase Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Woodstock, Georgia Posts: 154	EDIT: 1st CLIP UPDATED: Fixed interlace, added more panning shots

May 25th, 2007, 01:44 AM	#7
Dale Backus Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 132	Hey Solomon, Great stuff, really really great. Had a question though, what was your process for de-interlacing? Your 24p (of the recently edited handheld.wmv file) was fantastic looking. Thanks!

May 25th, 2007, 07:15 AM	#8
Jay Cowley Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Niagara, Ontario Posts: 141	if the footage is 24 "p" why would deinterlacing even be necessary, I thought the footage would be in 24 'full' frames already

May 25th, 2007, 08:35 AM	#9
Adam Perry Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 77	its 24p stored in a 60i format

May 25th, 2007, 01:21 PM	#10
Tom Ellingsen Tourist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lofoten Islands, Norway Posts: 2	Well looking there, the low-ligt especially shows why this is the best camcorder in it's price range and above ;)

May 27th, 2007, 07:54 PM	#12
Jay Cowley Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Niagara, Ontario Posts: 141	I watched your sunny day clip, the 24p motion was very smooth. I have been unable to get that little stutter with such a smooth motion with my hv20 (just recording in 24p and watching directly on tv) does your video look choppier straight off the camera, and then you make it smoother after capturing to your computer, or would it look the exact same (motion wise) if you just played the raw footage on an HDTV?

June 24th, 2007, 06:30 AM	#15
Steve Jones New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Middlewich UK Posts: 8	hi Solomon, Would your video look as good if you played it straight away thru your hdtv. Without post editing it? best, Steve.