Larry's HV20 clip--raw and then pure 24p

Lee Wilson · March 24th, 2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton

I'm sure the actual 25p PAL version of HV20 footage won't have interlace artifacts at all. It's carried in the 1080i stream, but it's pure progressive.

Yes I agree.

Geoff Murrin · March 24th, 2007, 02:51 PM

I've noticed some bubbly macroblocking in the womens black coat. Is this apparent in the original footage, or is it just from all the hoops it jumped through to get compressed for the web? Other than that, it looks great.

And did anybody see the incredible HV20 + Brevis shot in the other thread? AMAZING. Would love to see the original footage on my 40 inch samsung lcd via HDMI.

Chris Harris · March 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM

The footage looks absolutely amazing! So when you edit 24p from the HV20, can you just edit in your NLE's 1080p24 preset and have it look this good? Or do you really have to convert and remove the pulldown and all that? I'm confused here.

Barlow Elton · March 24th, 2007, 04:30 PM

You have to convert and remove pulldown. Some NLE's remove pulldown on-the-fly, as do a lot of DVD players and HDTV's, so it might not be such a bad idea to simply edit as 60i.

Chris Harris · March 25th, 2007, 09:23 AM

So in what case would you edit using the 24p preset in an NLE, say Final Cut Pro? What happens if you dump the HV20's 24p footage into the 24p timeline?

Austin Meyers · March 25th, 2007, 09:32 AM

if you dump it into a 24p timeline without removing the pulldown it will just thinks it's another 60i clip and it will want to render everything.

Salah Baker · March 30th, 2007, 04:05 PM

The HV-20 cine clips are not like the other canons PsF frames they are P in a 60i Mpeg 2 stream(same pull you would use on say a Sony)

Salah Baker · March 30th, 2007, 04:34 PM

and.....

Barlow,
I think the HDV (60i) over the Cine (24p) setting actually hurts the HV 20 performance
As for i-AF ...turn it off

Barlow Elton · March 30th, 2007, 04:54 PM

Here's a clip from the HV20 and Brevis.

http://disk.dvinfo.net/public/media/...V20-72024p.mov

Tomas Chinchilla · March 30th, 2007, 05:02 PM

What settings in CT did you use for the telecline?

I have tried many and no luck......using MPEGSTREAM and AIC Full quality then CT, no matter what option I have used I still get the interlaced artifacts.

Chris Barcellos · March 30th, 2007, 05:03 PM

Barlow. No access to the clip. Maybe to many jumped on it already...

Barlow Elton · March 30th, 2007, 05:12 PM

It's uploaded to the server. I don't know if I posted an incorrect url or not. I sent an email to Chris's server guy so hopefully it'll get resolved soon.

It's basic raw test footage with a few minor mistakes (I didn't zoom in far enough on the ground glass to not see edge vibration in the frame) but it was still fun to tweak. It's kind of high contrast "grunge" stuff for effect. Hope you like it.

Chris Barcellos · March 30th, 2007, 05:18 PM

Barlow:

How did you set up the Brevis-- 72 achromat, or the standard ?

How hard to set up zoom and focus.

Got HV20 on order, and looking at Brevis, so am a bit curious.

Barlow Elton · March 30th, 2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Barlow:

How did you set up the Brevis-- 72 achromat, or the standard ?

How hard to set up zoom and focus.

Got HV20 on order, and looking at Brevis, so am a bit curious.

Actually used a step ring with a Red Rock achromat. Not too hard to set zoom and focus, but I'm pretty new to this stuff so it's not quite as sharp as I'm sure it can ultimately look, but I still like the results.

Chris Barcellos · March 30th, 2007, 05:25 PM

Funny. I have the Brevis Achromat, and using it with my DIY 35Micro built from plans by Redrock :)

March 25th, 2007, 09:32 AM	#36
Austin Meyers Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: austin, tx Posts: 300	24p if you dump it into a 24p timeline without removing the pulldown it will just thinks it's another 60i clip and it will want to render everything. __________________ Compositing is my life right now. IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3596782/

March 30th, 2007, 04:54 PM	#39
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Here's a clip from the HV20 and Brevis. http://disk.dvinfo.net/public/media/...V20-72024p.mov Last edited by Barlow Elton; March 30th, 2007 at 05:45 PM.

March 30th, 2007, 05:02 PM	#40
Tomas Chinchilla Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 212 Images: 8	What settings in CT did you use for the telecline? I have tried many and no luck......using MPEGSTREAM and AIC Full quality then CT, no matter what option I have used I still get the interlaced artifacts. __________________ Tomas A. Chinchilla \| CANON XH A1, HV20 & HC3 \| Retired Cams: GL2, HC1, FX1, Z1, \| Final Cut Studio 2

March 30th, 2007, 05:03 PM	#41
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Barlow. No access to the clip. Maybe to many jumped on it already... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 30th, 2007, 05:18 PM	#43
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Barlow: How did you set up the Brevis-- 72 achromat, or the standard ? How hard to set up zoom and focus. Got HV20 on order, and looking at Brevis, so am a bit curious. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 24th, 2007, 02:51 PM	#32
Geoff Murrin Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 46	I've noticed some bubbly macroblocking in the womens black coat. Is this apparent in the original footage, or is it just from all the hoops it jumped through to get compressed for the web? Other than that, it looks great. And did anybody see the incredible HV20 + Brevis shot in the other thread? AMAZING. Would love to see the original footage on my 40 inch samsung lcd via HDMI.

March 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM	#33
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	The footage looks absolutely amazing! So when you edit 24p from the HV20, can you just edit in your NLE's 1080p24 preset and have it look this good? Or do you really have to convert and remove the pulldown and all that? I'm confused here.

March 24th, 2007, 04:30 PM	#34
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	You have to convert and remove pulldown. Some NLE's remove pulldown on-the-fly, as do a lot of DVD players and HDTV's, so it might not be such a bad idea to simply edit as 60i.

March 25th, 2007, 09:23 AM	#35
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	So in what case would you edit using the 24p preset in an NLE, say Final Cut Pro? What happens if you dump the HV20's 24p footage into the 24p timeline?

March 30th, 2007, 04:05 PM	#37
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	The HV-20 cine clips are not like the other canons PsF frames they are P in a 60i Mpeg 2 stream(same pull you would use on say a Sony)

March 30th, 2007, 04:34 PM	#38
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	and..... Barlow, I think the HDV (60i) over the Cine (24p) setting actually hurts the HV 20 performance As for i-AF ...turn it off

March 30th, 2007, 05:12 PM	#42
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	It's uploaded to the server. I don't know if I posted an incorrect url or not. I sent an email to Chris's server guy so hopefully it'll get resolved soon. It's basic raw test footage with a few minor mistakes (I didn't zoom in far enough on the ground glass to not see edge vibration in the frame) but it was still fun to tweak. It's kind of high contrast "grunge" stuff for effect. Hope you like it.

March 30th, 2007, 05:25 PM	#45
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Funny. I have the Brevis Achromat, and using it with my DIY 35Micro built from plans by Redrock :) __________________ Chris J. Barcellos