Hey guys...

So from what i understand the HFS 10 is the high end, top of the range consumer cam from Canon ie supposed to have the best quality image/lens?

Like similar to the HF 20 but higher pixel count/quality lens?

or which 2009 camera is top of the range from Canon

Cheers.

That is correct Mike -- The HF S10 / HF S100 is the top of the Canon VIXIA line for 2009 (so far).

Cheers...

1 more thing, total pixels. HFS 10 has more than double what the HF 20 has. What does total pixels actually mean? More pixel's = better quality, more detail? or...? anyone know?:

HF 20:
Total Pixels:
3,890,000

HFS 10:
Total Pixels:
8,590,000

Cheers guys.

received my hf s10 yesterday
 

received the relatively new hf s10 canon camera yesterday and had a good play around with it. Overall, excellent camera with many good points. the biggest shock was it is really bad in poor lighting; grainy and could not manually focus.

i just purchased a load of filters before i switched on. No more scratching my lens but it looks like i will not beable to use many of the ones I purchased for indoor work.

by the way I am new to acvchd and what would be the best editing solution using the cs4 bundle.

I'd use Cineform for that format.... it makes working with acvchd very easy on your editor

Bad in poor lighting compared to what? Other Canon camera's you have tried or?

isn't it 0.2 lux like most other recent canon models?

Hey Marques.....where were you able to order the new HF S10?

For Paul: since he's in Tokyo, he most likely bought it in the Akihabara district.

I hope this camera comes out soon in my Akihabara district ...

aka B&H :)

Hey Chris....any word on when these little critters will be set loose here in the USA?

My understanding was later this month or early April... will try to get a firm answer on this from CUSA.

Any reason why the 'new' Canon Legria HF20 has never been mentioned on this site?

LEGRIA HF20

RRP $1,699.00 (Aus dollars).

It's meant to be a new model as well, unless its only an Aussie model and US doesn;t have it?

CANON USA HQ, here on Long Island, New York advise APRIL.

Dealers have received the packets but no pricing yet.

The HF20/HF100 were definitely mentioned, but I think they are basically seen as a small update of the HF10/HF100.....and the HFS10 got all the limelight because it's a much bigger step forward (i.e. something new)

Ah yeah... HF10/HF100 and HF20 are pretty similar, the 20 will be just a 2009 model/smaller/lighter and different sensor and higher pixel count...

I'm wondering if its really worth spending an extra $700/800 to go for the HF S10 when it comes out or stick with the HF20...

Hopefully by the end of March or Early April they will start doing full reviews of all the new camcorders and ill make a decision then..

Apparently HF S10 although being the flagship doesn't perform as well in low light as the other cheaper models... so we will see as id prefer a camera that performs better in low light

It's important for you to understand why this is.

The HF S series has an 8mp image sensor. The less expensive HF series has a 3mp image sensor. As resolution goes up, sensitivity goes down. The higher the pixel count, the smaller those pixels are and therefore the less light they gather. Sensitivity and resolution are mutually exclusive... as one goes up, the other goes down. If low light sensitivity is ultimately most important for you, then you'll want the lowest res chips you can find. 3mp chips are more sensitive to low light than 8mp.

Really nice to see yet another fella from WA, by the way.

Chris, I'm sure you're right about 3mp imager being more sensitive in low light than 8mp, but low light sensitivity of HF S10 is just outstanding,
HF S10 low light 2 on Vimeo
I used to have HV10/20/30, HC9 and none of them comes even close to it,
I really like it, it has all, and even more that i wanted from backup/vacation camera.

Oh, fully agreed. I was just breaking it down into simple terms is all. Wasn't to say it's bad; more to say "might not be as good as, because..." But the proof is in the pudding, as your example shows. Thanks.

Buba:

How did you get a hold of an HFS10? I thought that they weren't available until April?

Dan

Shipping now is what Canon USA told me at HD Expo last week in Hollywood.

See also http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/avchd-for...ck-images.html

This subject has been brought up in other threads, but, what's the difference as long as it's 24p? Is there a difference in quality? If this has been brought up before can you please guide me to the thread. Thx.

Well, if you want all bandwidth devoted to the real frames and not to synthetic frames created to pad 24 fps out to 30 fps, then native 1080p24 would be best, I guess. Or you could use a lower data rate (but effectively the same as with 24Pfs) and have more recording time per unit of storage.

the other res is still 1440 correct? in another words 1440x1080p24?

If you're talking about the HV40, yes -- it must be 1440 or it wouldn't be HDV (same as HDCAM).