EOS 6D - What do you think?
 

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For me the 4.5 fps is too slow. My 7D does 8 fps. I guess the appeal of a full frame sensor is something I do not think I need so much (surf & skiing photography primarily)

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For me the appeal is the Full Frame Chip + DIGIC 5+ Processor

a. Full Frame
- lets me fully use L lenses (for me this means better color rendition)
- gives more choices for wider lenses
- allows for better low light performance
- and to my eye has a slighter better image than cropped cameras
* specifically the 24-105mm IS L lens becomes very usable for me, it has a nice range, and with IS is decent for video

b. DIGIC 5+ Processor - better handling of aliasing and moiré

... and the GPS + WiFi are also kinda cool ...

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I only use DSLR for video. I would only buy it for full frame. But really...I'm tire of Canon crap for not coming out with newer things. Well they can like the 4k DSLR but they're not gonna give it to us at the price we want.

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interesting, I agree with a. Have the 5d mark2 and just simply think the full frame image is more aesthetically pleasing.

I did not, however, know about b. that this processor caused better handling of aliasing and Moirè. That's makes a huge difference

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5+ DIGIC Processor (from B&H website)I should add it's not just the 5+ DIGIC processor, it's also the Optical Low Pass Filter (OLPF) from the 5DIII - that helps to handle aliasing/moire ... I'm assuming Canon also installed the OLPF in the 6D.

... but I think the 3 things I'd still like to see are:

• audio levels during recording
• swivel screen
• headphone jack

I'll take those over Full Frame any day, still the 6D/5DIII imaging tech is pretty sweet.

6D high ISO test
 

We need a 6D thread. I guess this is the best place to post this for now. I tried out high ISO in video mode. Here are the results:

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Patrick,

There has been a video or two showing that aliasing and moire aren't really any better on the 6D as we might have expected. Have you noticed any issues with this yourself?

I've got mine coming in the mail. Hopefully I can put a few tests up soon as well.

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I have one of these in my cart in B&H, but I am still debating on whether to confirm the order. B&H have a special offer on the camera at $2,699 with the 24mm-105mm IS L lens (plus a bag and memory card).

One of those workhorse lenses costs $1,099 by itself, and I have been wanting to get one for photography work, so if I subtract that it means the camera will be only $1,600 (I'm really trying to justify it here).

I really want to get in on the FF bandwagon; surely larger sensors are going to the the norm in the future? The upcoming Dragon sensor seems to confirm that, and the next generation 1DC will surely be FF at 4K?Seems like the 6D is the best way to get on it.....

Patrick, please do keep posting your thoughts on the camera, especially with regards to aliasing and moire. Have you tried the remote viewing feature (with a smartphone)?

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I haven't had a chance to really put it through its paces yet. I have heard the same things about aliasing and moire. The improved ISO performance was huge for me. It was really a toss up between MK III and 6d, I went 6D, and the savings meant I was able to upgrade to all L series glass. I also plan to start working in still photography (too many stills guys trying to get in on video around here, time to return the favor ) , so FF was a necessity.
Here's a BIG disappointment gang. no wifi in video mode! that means , no smart phone app in video mode. This was not very clear in any of the promotional material.

I should be shooting a wedding this weekend. I'll try to test it's limits for moire and aliasing.

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That really is a big disappointment as it looked like built-in WiFi would save the cost of one of those mega expensive WFT dongles that do work in video mode. It's a shame that they couldn't have implemented something like Panasonic have with the GH3 which even apparently allows control of the zoom lens from an iPhone.

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Huh, that really is a disappointment. One of the reasons I was keen on the 6D was because it would allow you to use a phone for framing, that would have been the only reasons I would use the wi-fi.

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Heres hoping for a firmware update fix.

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I dunno'. I get the feeling Canon really wants us video users to just start buying 'C' series cameras.

The disabling of the movie mode wi-fi is most likely just another motivated decision to cripple a feature (it seems unlikely it would be a technical limitation). They genuinely are offering less-and-less features compared to their competitors; similar priced Nikon & Sony DSLR's have so many more options these days, and less expensive Panasonic's offer far more quality.

I'm really tempted to sell my Canon lenses and jump ship at this point.

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I am thinking the same but there is nothing like a 16-35mm on a 5DMK3 :)

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I truly can't understand why Canon crippled Wifi in video mode. I didn't even realise this until reading this thread. That's yet another big plus factor for the new GH3.
The only big problem is being able to use my iPhone outside of a full WiFi home connection to control the cameras in stills & video mode. I'm wondering if the camera to phone signals will also work through normal 3G network. If so it would open up a wide range of possibilities for filming outdoors in wild locations across Europe, because the 3G network is now quite good in most countries. For the past few years I've been using a special remote device to stop/start video mode on my 5D, but maybe it will be worth getting an extra GH3 body to use Wifi mode for remote-control video.

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You can use camera to phone outside of a home network. Your phone will see the camera as a hotspot. You just conect like you do any other hotspot. (w/o video support of course)
I do hear good thinks about panasonics gh series. Sensor size was/is a big deal for me. Don't think I could do a 4/3 system.

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Patrick, I'm not talking about a hotspot site that offers Internet access over a wireless local area network through the use of a router connected to a link to an Internet service provider. I'm also not referring to being in range of WiFi hotspots near buildings in towns/cities/airports etc.
I'm talking about being in the wilds, say a mountain lake that is connected only to a 3G signal, not receiving full Wifi connection. 3G provides full internet and video download access etc but rarely at WiFi-router connected speeds, and more importantly, some WiFi-Only devices will not operate in 3G-only zones.

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You set up an ad hoc WiFi network so your iPhone has a direct connection to the camera. It's how you control your AR.Drone with an iPhone & I have done the same when using an Eye-Fi SD card to shoot tethered from my 5D3 to an iPad running ShutterSnitch. Ad hoc networks can be a bit fiddly sometimes so a simpler alternative may be to provide your own WiFi network by using something like a MiFi 3G dongle purely as a wireless access point. The internal battery will last for several hours.

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apart from the lack of wifi (video mode) what are people's feelings about this camera?
how does it compare to a 5D Mk III or a 7d ?

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I'm loving my 6D so far. As good or better than the 5D III in low light. The aliasing and moire are about as bad as the 5D II though...so if that's a big deal to you (as it is many people for very good reasons) definitely save up for the 5D III.

On the photography side of things the IQ is great, the AF system really isn't that bad. I had a very successful shoot with it just yesterday. 4.5 fps is almost too much for me as I do weddings and portraits, but if you're doing sports than the 7D or 1D series will be better suited for you.

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i'm interested in how good or poor the auto focus is? i have a 7D which doesnt have AF and isn't as good for low light as i expected, perhaps i was expecting too much anyway.
I do some action/sports stuff almost all stills but i have a 1D Mk III for that. In wedding and portraiture i like to use as much natural light as possible - low light capability is the thing there!

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The center autofocus point focuses well in the dark (7D rated at EV -0.5 and the 6D rated at EV -3.0, the 5D III at EV -2.5 I believe) and the 6D does just fine at high ISOs , especially compared to the 7D.

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hmmm was thinking of upgrading the 7D to a 5D Mk III but now i'm considering 6D. I'll wait til after the holidays and revisit this!
:-)

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Well, I was the exact opposite; I was thinking of getting a 6D, but now I'm looking at a 5DMk3.

I am not really seeing any great benefits from this camera (other than the fact that it is FF and reasonably priced). However Canon has real held back on a lot of the features (especially compared to similar options from other manufacturers).

I had put aside about $2,700 to buy the 6D (with the stock lens) - but now I am thinking of spending a few hundred extra to get the 5DMk3 with no lens.

In terms of video with the 5D3 you get:

Reduced aliasing.
Reduced Moire.
Dual memory card slots.
Weather sealing.
Headphone Jack.
Clean uncompressed HDMI out (in the future) - I already have an external recorder that may work well with this feature.

With the 6D you get none of that. In fact one of the few really promising features of the 6D was the ability to monitor over wifi (which has been disabled in video as mentioned above).

Not that it really matters; but I reckon the 5D series seems to hold its value fairly well for resale (but this might not be the case with the 6D)....

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after further thought i'm seesawing in the other direction at present, what to do?

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I believe that you can get the 5DM3 for around $2600 now if you search around. Act quick though....


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Yeah, I just picked up a 5Dmk3. The added benefits were worth the extra cost, to me.

My feeling was that Canon had staggered this device so that they pitched the 6D as an entry level FF camera aimed at photographers, with less emphasis on videographers.

Thats not to say the 6D wont be a nice video camera (I am sure it will do most everything people need) - but the 5D just seems to have more features aimed squarely at the video market.

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Hi Simon,

I think you will be very happy with your choice, the 5D MKIII is a fantastic camera.

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So, I just got a 6D as a companion to my MkIII. The reason I went 6D was that as a second camera, I needed the high ISO but didn't need the other bells and whistles from the 5D. It just needs to function in the dark.

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ok after much thinking and rethinking, i've finally opted for the 5D Mk III i would have liked the 6D to be better but unfortunately Canon decided to cripple it. I think the AF system alone on the 5D Mk III will give me benefits that will far out weigh the 6D.

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A number of posters in this thread have suggested that Canon "crippled" the smartphone application so it would not work with video, for marketing reasons. I don't think this conclusion is correct. Capturing, processing and particularly compressing HD video is computational intensive. I think the processor in the camera is running at its maximum sustainable throughput when recording HD. There are no computing resources left to support a wireless smartphone application if you want live video on the screen when recording.

Live video would require a second compression application on the phone processor generating a 1 or 2 megabit per second stream for the WiFi connection, running concurrently with the main compressor program for the memory card. You might think that the 20 to 30 megabit per second data used for recording on the memory card could be streamed over WiFi but this would eat up a lot of battery power and generate heat in the camera. Further, the smartphone would probably have problems decoding so much data. I tried to play a 25 megabit per second MP4 on my new Samsung Android phone but it stuttered and macroblocked.

You may ask how can the Panasonic GH3 do it? If you watch the video embedded in an earlier post in this thread, it appears that the camera does not transmit live video when recording - only when in standby. A text message appears on the screen saying the phone is recording when you press record. And further, it seems that the recording is terminated by either a timer with duration preset from the smartphone or by pressing the record button on the camera. Not exactly a great application based on the video.

A remote smartphone application for still photography is easily within the capability of the camera. There is no demanding HD compression application running at the same time so the processor has the resources to create a low bit rate video datastream for the smartphone. Low bit rate means lower power consumption in the WiFi transmitter and less heat. The still photography smartphone application makes sense and works.

Finally, I would not want the computing resources or battery power in a camera used to support a remote smartphone video application as most users don't need the feature. I would rather see resources applied to produce better images. Anyone who needs or wants remote video can invest in the necessary equipment to do it.

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Hi everyone!

Thinking about getting the 6D as a backup to my 5Diii (which I love!) but have one question:

On 5Diii the hdmi is 720p output for a monitor, is it like that on the 6D?

Thanks!

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I believe the 6D is 720, but the 5Diii should be getting 1080 output with the April firmware upgrade.
You may have to shoot with the IPB codec to get 1080 output, but that remains to be seen.

I don't believe they are planning on clean 1080 output for the 6D. No announcement anyway.

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You won't be shooting with IPB or any other compressed CODEC as Canon have promised the recording of "high-definition uncompressed video data (YCbCr 4:2:2, 8 bit)"

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I have a 6D and love it. I performed a low light test and compared moire in 1080 30p to 720 30p. Moire is worse in 720p, but not that bad in 1080p. See for yourself.

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Hi Guys,

About to purchase my 6D from NEW Canon EOS 6D Digital SLR Camera Body Kit 20.2 MP 1080p HD Video Black | eBay has anybody had any experience with this seller.

I have checked about 5 times to see if all looks ok, in terms of what's included in the box. It all seems ok but it's just a big purchase wondering if I am missing something as I have never purchased anything from eBay before.

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It's bound to be a grey import at that price (cheapest pukka UK price is £1599 from Wex). The address for that eBay seller is just a serviced office so probably just an accommodation address. I would be asking deep & searching questions about the exact details of the claimed 3-year warranty.

If I were to buy a grey import 6D I would be more inclined to purchase from HDEW who do at least have a proper bricks & mortar office in Surrey where you can even collect from by appointment New Canon 6D Body Only

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I was also tempted by the low prices offered on grey imports.

You cannot go wrong buying a genuine UK version with UK support.

Pay the extra money and do the right thing.

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I did not even think it would be a gray import. Obviously cleverly written description, I did call my insurance company 'aaduki' who did say any camera I purchase in the UK or abroad is covered for theft or damage.

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I upgraded my two T3i to two 6D. I love it. The Moire pattern is no worst than 5D mark 2 but with super low light performance. Price is good too.