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Nigel Barker March 27th, 2012 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kris Koster (Post 1723266)
I sold one of my 5D2s a couple of weeks ago to create some budget for the 5D3, but now having watched quite a lot of example footage out there and reading some reviews, I'm getting cold feet about investing in it.
My wife & I are delighted with our 5D3s. I just met another new owner today who is using it almost exclusively for video & he is really pleased with the new model. Low light performance is exceptional which is far more useful to us than 1080/60p. Lack of moire & aliasing is as we all wanted. There are many other nice features that any 5D2 owner will really appreciate like the customisable file name prefix or locking pin on the mode wheel so it cannot accidentally get moved to P or AV when set on M.

I don't get all this anguish. The 5D3 really is a significant improvement over the 5D2 both for video & stills.

Tariq Peter March 27th, 2012 02:24 PM
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Hi,

I am a little concerned, I took my new 5DMKIII out today and filmed my nieces playing in the garden. I have just copied the MOV files back and I was expecting to be Blown away considering I just spent 4k on the MKIII and Canon 24-70. The grass looks pretty bad and was wondering why this has happened.

The profile was set to standard, Camera was set to 1080p, IBP, 25p with shutter at 50, F22@ISO 100

Lens 24mm set to manual.

Not sure what other settings I could have used to increase the quality but the video of the grass and leaves looks better on my friends Samsung Galaxy SII HD mobile.

I have just seen this video and the quality is amazing https://vimeo.com/38763637 what am I doing wrong?

Tony Davies-Patrick March 27th, 2012 03:06 PM
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Tariq, I am just wondering why you are using the lens aperture at f/22?

Setting your ISO in good light to 100 or 160 is a good idea to maintain quality in bright light conditions, but unless you are filming wide landscapes, or macro, or scenes that require foreground to background DOF...then it would better to open up the aperture to f/8 or f/5.6...or even f/4 and f/2.8.

The lens will perform far better at those apertures, because at f/22 the lens will be quite soft, especially on subjects like the blades of grass at frame corners. You should rarely need to stop a lens down beyond f/16.

If you need to maintain that ISO 100 in bright conditions, it is better to use a PL filter or ND filters to lower the amount of light hitting the sensor while keeping the aperture at a wider f/stop. Yes, you'll need to be more accurate in your focussing the wider the aperture is, but it will make the subjects pop-out from the background more.

Looking at the Wedding Highlight Vimeo clip, I have no doubts that most of it was filmed with lens set at widest aperture or a few stops down from open aperture, with none of the video filmed anwhere near f/22.

Jon Fairhurst March 27th, 2012 03:24 PM
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Also, I'd avoid the Standard picture style. Try Neutral with sharpening at the minimum, then add some sharpening in post.

Tariq Peter March 27th, 2012 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Davies-Patrick (Post 1723446)
Tariq, I am just wondering why you are using the lens aperture at f/22?

Setting your ISO in good light to 100 or 160 is a good idea to maintain quality in bright light conditions, but unless you are filming wide landscapes, or macro, or scenes that require foreground to background DOF...then it would better to open up the aperture to f/8 or f/5.6...or even f/4 and f/2.8.

The lens will perform far better at those apertures, because at f/22 the lens will be quite soft, especially on subjects like the blades of grass at frame corners. You should rarely need to stop a lens down beyond f/16.

If you need to maintain that ISO 100 in bright conditions, it is better to use a PL filter or ND filters to lower the amount of light hitting the sensor while keeping the aperture at a wider f/stop. Yes, you'll need to be more accurate in your focussing the wider the aperture is, but it will make the subjects pop-out from the background more.
If you don't have PL or ND filters with you, then I would suggest dialling up the ISO slightly rather than closing the lens down to f/22.

Looking at the Wedding Highlight Vimeo clip, I have no doubts that most of it was filmed with lens set at widest aperture or a few stops down from open aperture, with none of the video filmed anwhere near f/22.
The sun was so bright even at f8 I was way over exposed and I did not have an ND filter, my only option was to go to f22. I also wanted to capture everything and do away with any kind of DOF but I did not know that the quality would be this bad. If I were to dial the ISO up wouldn't that just increase the light as anything over 100 was over exposing? The picture was only correctly exposed at F22.

I could hardly see the LCD screen because of the sun, I thought best to be safe and make sure the children were in focus. I cranked up the aperture, used the only ISO available which was not over exposing the image which was 100.

Tariq Peter March 27th, 2012 04:09 PM
Re: Canon 5D Mk III is shipping in UK (pictures)
 
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Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst (Post 1723449)
Also, I'd avoid the Standard picture style. Try Neutral with sharpening at the minimum, then add some sharpening in post.
I have just downloaded and installed Technicolor CineStyle and the settings it gives are
Sharpness: 0 Contrast: -4 Saturation: -2 Color Tone: 0

Have you tried this and would you suggest I take the Sharpness down to -4?

Jon Fairhurst March 27th, 2012 04:22 PM
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I've been using minimum sharpness forever on the 5D2. I've read that the sharpening on the 5D3 is not very good as it leaves halos. It's best to turn it down and sharpen in post.

Note that Cinestyle requires that contrast be added in post. The footage from the camera will likely be very flat with high black levels. This allows the maximum adjustments in post as neither the whites or blacks are likely to clip.

The Standard picture style has high contrast, which likely to contributed to you needing f/22 to keep the whites from clipping. Standard tends to crush the blacks while over-boosting the whites. Cinestyle is the exact opposite, using very low contrast. Normal picture style is somewhere between the two.

Tariq Peter March 27th, 2012 04:39 PM
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I have just watched Philip Blooms review, he suggests exactly what you say

Sharpness at 0
Contrast at 0
Saturation -2


I'll try again tomorrow :) Thank you

Kris Koster March 27th, 2012 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tariq Peter (Post 1723455)
The sun was so bright even at f8 I was way over exposed and I did not have an ND filter, my only option was to go to f22.
Invest in a vari ND filter by Lightcraft. I never leave home without mine. I set the aperture and ISO to whatever I like and 'dial' my light in using the vari ND.

Buy the size that fits your largest diameter lens and buy cheap step down rings so that you can use the filter aross all your lenses.

If you do go that route, ensure you buy genuine Lighcraft and not cheap Chinese varis. As with all glass you're putting in front of a lens, it's worth paying a bit more for quality.

Tony Davies-Patrick March 27th, 2012 05:00 PM
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Yes, sorry Tariq, my mistake...I didn't mean to write "dial ISO up" in this situation! :)

Tariq Peter March 28th, 2012 05:20 AM
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What fstop would you use if you had a bride walking in from about 30ft away and you had to keep her in focus while she made her way down the aisle?

I am going to be standing directly in front of her in a stationary position with my 5DMK3 on a monopod.
I don't have a viewfinder for my 5DMKIII yet as I am saving up for a Zucuto.

Thanks

Colin Rowe March 28th, 2012 07:44 AM
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There is no answer to that, it depends on the intensity and the direction of the light. Take your camera out and shoot, shoot, shoot. Talk to the camera constantly, noting your settings for any given shot, Scrutinise the shots to get to know just how your camera/lens combo is performing in different lighting situations. As I have said many times before, you must understand your camera, you must know how to get the best out of it, in any situation. Eventually, and after a great deal of practice it will all come naturally. My father was my mentor back in the sixties, he drummed 4 words into me. COMPOSE - EXPOSE - FOCUS and SHOOT. After 3 years he let me shoot solo on commercial jobs, I count my blessings to this day for his teaching. What I am trying to say is, it wont happen overnight. You really do have to be at one with your equipment, you need to pick it up and be confident that you can deliver the required result with any given camera. There are very rarely simple solutions, most shots, video or stills dont just happen, they are composed, exposed, focused and shot by whoever is behind the camera.

Tariq Peter March 28th, 2012 07:52 AM
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Thanks Colin!

I guess panic just kicks in sometimes :)

Chris Hurd March 28th, 2012 08:21 AM
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Thank you for the post of the day, Colin -- and it ain't even noon yet -- that was excellent.

Tony Davies-Patrick March 28th, 2012 09:22 AM
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Great post, Colin! :)

Tariq, you'll find it extremely difficult to maintain accurate focus with the bride if you only judge when to re-focus by looking at the rear screen. (and she will also not thank you if the biggest day of her life is out-of-focus).

A loup fixed the screen is a must-have item in my opinion, and I would suggest that you buy or make a cheaper option if you have to wait too long to save for the Zucuto.

There are many options to choose from, such as the LCDVF, Hoodman, and others. I use a Hasselblad chimney finder which clips quickly and safely on-and off the Canon 5D. It is very high quality and a wonderful aid for manual focus, and has built-in diopter adjustment.

Here is a good DVinfo link to a discussion (with photos) of finders for the 5D/7D including my Hasselblad:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-eo...-took-lcd.html

Colin Rowe March 28th, 2012 09:39 AM
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Thank you Chris and Tony for your kind comments, much appreciated.


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