Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I own two F3s but I am eagerly waiting to purchase a C300. It is quite unique and fills the gap in the current S35 offerings for an ergonomic, lightweight, compact and high-performance camera. It has very low power requirements, offers long record times on inexpensive media and works with the entire lineup of Canon's EF lenses. Not to mention the file format and workflow (thanks to Sony's MPEG-2 codec....) that is one of the easiest and most efficient and already is supported by all NLE systems.

The C300 is going to be a perfect camera for documentary and TV magazine productions. I hope Canon also comes out with a full frame version, that'd make it even more special :)

Thierry.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Everybody is finding C300 perfect for episodic tv programmes and documentary work.I think the best camera for this segment is HPX3100 which is not costing much as compared to C300. I have seen the HPX3100 images projected on 35mm cinema screen. The results were better than RED ONE.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Ramji
THe HPX3100 is a great tool... but quite a different one. Different sensor, different format, different ergonomics, different media, etc... There are certainly some situations where it would be a better tool than a C300 or a Red One, but it would be inaccurate to say that it, or any camera, is the *best* camera for such a sweeping segment.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Andy, I can't speak to your circle of Hollywood friends but the overwhelming camera choice in my sphere is the Alexa, so it's sort of a moot point. I myself don't have plans to buy one of those at present but I am interested in the sub-20K category as I can more easily pay that off (rental rates are better than 1/4 of the Alexa despite the price difference). I'm a fan of the F3 with S-log, but I'll be testing the C300 against in when it comes out, and probably throw the Scarlet in there too, although the lesser sensitivity of that camera is a strike against it. The C300 looks extremely strong in that department but the demo films at the unveiling invited more questions than answers, for me. There are certainly facets that disappoint me about the C300--separate versions for PL and EF? groan--but it is still a decent package. I'm not going to jump at Scarlet merely because it does offer interchangeable mounts or even 4K, because I want to see the images from the camera before I make any judgements of it. I'd rather have more pleasing skintone renditions than extra resolution (and complicated post workflow).

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Although perhaps not as robust, but there is the physical possibility of an EF to PL mount adapter for the camera, perhaps the adapter manufacturers will be checking out this one.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Hey Charles,

What I saw at the screenings was pretty impressive to me (other than some annoying fixed grain on the highest iso stuff on Sword and some overly crushed shadows on the rest of that film), but I certainly don't consider myself anywhere near your league in the expectations department. Can you elaborate on what you saw that concerned you?

Barry

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

If the films had supers that indicated what ISO given scenes were shot at, I would have been able to evaluate the noise level with that frame of reference. I would have rather seen something along the lines of the 1DX demo in this regard. Also, saw some highlight handling that didn't impress me. But again, it's hard to know where the exposures fell for a given shot.

My expectations aren't necessarily higher than others--in fact I'm far less impressed or turned off by specs than many folks who perhaps don't have their work under the same level of scrutiny that I do. After all, I shot many projects over the past few years on the DSLR's and while I felt the limitations, it was also freeing in certain respects. Ironically, factors such as dynamic range are going to be potentially more valuable to those who don't have access to extensive lighting control (either high wattage instruments or sizable grip gear) as I generally do. Last week I had to shoot a group of African Americans standing on a street corner in the shade with the background frontlit in full sun (the one location I hadn't scouted and given my preferences of time of day to shoot to the AD's...sigh). Fortunately I had the ability to blast a couple of 12k pars through an 8x8 behind camera to build up enough level to contain the values in the scene--just enough for s-log incidentally, background would have clipped with picture profiles--and it still looked good. But without that gear, every half stop of dynamic range goes a long way.

Brian--I don't doubt that there will be a way to adapt the PL version of the C300 for EF, but considering the issues I've always had with the EF mount by itself (visible lens shifting), I'm not thrilled. But since I own both EF and PL lenses, it poses a dilemma. Advantage: Scarlet, on that matter. We'll see what the market bears on that one.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I was only referring to the fact that you're probably one of the few on this board who's worked with Alexa, Red et al, and thus are coming from a different frame of reference than I am. After hearing so much criticism from people who haven't seen the image on the big screen, it's useful I think to hear any points (positive and negative) from someone with your perspective.

Barry

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Ramji,

I trust your jugement on the HPX3100 but we are really discussing Super 35mm cameras here. Not so much for the quality of the image projected on big screens but rather the film look and shallow depth of field of large sensor cameras which the HPX3100 is not.

Take care,

Thierry.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Lets just say that I have been receiving lots of inquires from shows & people who work a lot here in town.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I'd be interested to hear what others with experience with Red have to say about reliability.

In 5 days with the Epic, we had several issues that would make me nervous to buy one, or a Scarlet for that matter.

"Power spike Detected - initiating camera shutdown" at least 3 times when using the Red Brick for power

Monitor went split screen - either the Red Touchscreen or the External when punched in to magnify for focus. This happened at least twice a day. Required powering down and restart.

And one incident where the camera would not stop recording, though timecode stopped running. This required a hard reboot.

We also had a major back focus issue with the Red 18-85 lens, or the sensor. The cause is still being determined.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Just read this opinion on Scarlet from Phil Bloom

To buy a Scarlet or not to buy, that is the question… | Philip Bloom

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Wow. Sobering post from P. Bloom. Good to see such honesty in the internet space.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Ditto....I have a renewed respect for Mr. Bloom.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

That was indeed a good article. There are those who would like to think this particular horse race is cut-and-dry (or already won); I think time will tell. I for one have already been burned by RED cameras on a few occasions and I can't embrace a system that does that. I have long felt that it is great for owner/operator folks who can take the time to work around issues on smaller shoots, or for large budget productions that can afford a brace of bodies (one goes down, just substitute another), but for the inbetween, where there is one or two cameras on set and plenty of time pressure, the reliability and workflow can be dodgy. I have respect for aspects of the RED cameras but I can't embrace the associated lifestyle, if ya know what I mean.

Much as the specs of the Canon DSLR's did not "add up" to the resulting images they produced, I have a sense that the C300 will prove the same on a larger scale.

Mostly: it's simply amazing that such image quality is available within this level of price range.

Barry: I was only able to stay for a couple of the films at the screening at Paramount as I had limited time--I really would have liked to see a sampler compilation of all of them. Personally I think that would have served the purpose of showing the camera off far better than the choice to present "short films".

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

yes...I agree...10 minute films followed by a 20 minute break were a little more than I could take. I wish they would have just run them together in 40 minute blocks. There is a 1080P version of Mobius floating around out there that looks pretty nice.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Here's blog another comparing cameras, must be an industry in its own right:

Prolost - Blog - Red Scarlet, Canon C300, and the Paradox ofChoice

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Scarlet is such a radically different workflow than C300. I think the post really should be titled reasons to go for the C300 over F3. I think it's a lot more challenging to come up with reasons for that.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Yes.

What is your criteria for "bombing," specifically? And how exactly do you arrive at
whatever number of unit sales you think it needs to reach in order to avoid that?
Canon tends to purposefully under-produce, so my guess is that they'll sell every
one they make.

Once again, yes. My plan is to goad at least one of these people into an exclusive review for DVi in January.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

not really into defending cameras these days, there are so many good choices out there now that it's hard to make a bad choice. I would say that we have RED to thank for re-inventing the market - without RED pushing the envelope, you would be waiting a very, very long time for that F3 or C300.

One advantage to the SCARLET which has not been mentioned - the new sensor technology will be upgradeable. So it may be $20K versus $15K now, but what about in the future, when technology changes again? paying for the upgrade will cost substantially less than purchasing a new camera system, from scratch again. I have been able to re-use a lot of my RED ONE accessories on my EPIC -

especially the RED Brick batteries, which run for several hours before they need changed - people keep pointing at the RedVolts and their 35 minute run-time on this thread - but the ability to use the bricks pretty much kills off that power argument - the C300 has no advantage here whatsoever. RedVolts and Bricks are also hot-swappable, meaning if you stick in one RedVolt for the day, you never have to shut the camera down at all, while you throw on a fresh Brick - the camera will toggle seamlessly between the two power sources - I doubt the C300 has a similar functionality.

Perpetual runtime option: advantage RED.

I would say that even RED acknowledges that "obsolescense obsolete" was more of an ideal than a workable reality - things change too fast and dramatically - but they are in a pretty good groove with their upgradeable system.

I feel like I'm in good hands with RED - they have earned my trust, repeatedly.

My RED ONE is the only camera that I shot for 3 years solidly and then sold at a profit. Meanwhile, I would like to find a buyer for my XH A1, I'd be thrilled if I could get half of what I paid for it. Anyone?

And why is RED the one with an interchangeable EF/PL mount? Come on, Canon. If RED can do it, with *your* technology....the separate body thing is an outright C300 fail.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

The RED Brick batteries are somewhat larger than the Canon Battery Pack BP-955. I don't know about the Scarlet, but the RED One has been pretty power hungry any time I've been on a shoot with one. Although, I'd assume it's better.

I guess how good the sensor actaully is within the C300 will decide if it becomes an item that needs upgrading during the working life of the camera.

There are a number of factors to decide when selecting a camera, because none are perfect and they all have strengths and weakness. They won't be the right camera for every project or its workflow requirements, so you need to work out which one you either rent or buy.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Hmm. I'm not sure. I think the original Red was pushing up and competing against the higher end of the market, not really re-inventing it.

I think the real spur for the market re-invention was video coming onto stills cameras, especially DSLRs, and especially Canon. And Larry Thorpe has admitted they were taken by surprise themselves, and the C300 is the reaction to that. It was also DSLR video which spurred Panasonic and Sony on, surely?

And whilst Panasonic then just boxed a still sensor in a more ergonomic video-friendly body, then I'd say it was Sony with the F3 and FS100 who took the next really big step with a large format sensor specifically designed for video. At that time Scarlet seemed a long way away.

As far as upgradeability, then I'm reminded of computers I've bought with just that in mind. Each time, when the time came to think about it, it just seemed more sensible and cost effective to start again from scratch with everything brand new......

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Hey Meryem,

Good to hear from you on this. I was on the outside looking in at Red without paying too much attention until recently when a friend bought an Epic and i had a chance to use it. So I started to look seriously at the Scarlet as it's price is do-able for my next cam. I say do-able in that the 15k base production pack seemed very reasonable. I was surprised (it didn't take too much digging) to find that the base kit was not nearly enough to get going with, and that it would be reasonable to add at least 5k in media/power to get going.

Jim Jannard pushed the technology forward. There is no doubt. In 5 short years, he has reconfigured the landscape and we all benefit. I love Red and what they've done. But personally, I'll wait a little longer before sipping the Cherry kool-aid.

One of the companies will be getting 15 or 20k from me in the next year or so, I just don't know yet which one.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

That's an interesting re-write of history, which effectively eliminates RED's influence entirely. I don't buy it - that's pure bias.

You should also give a shout-out to all those years of third-party 35mm ground glass adapters. People wanted 35mm imaging way before Canon surprised themselves with their first hybrid. Demand was high. The problem was that no one was giving it to them, at a price that anyone could afford.

The first RED ONE was an attempt to fill that gap - you can actually dig into the archives here in the dvinfo.net Panasonic forum and find a post by Jim Jannard feeling annoyed with the trickleware business model, expressing his frustration at how the major camera manufacturers were withholding features from their customers. That was his impetus for developing RED.

I have no bias here. I own an EX-1r and like it very much. I own a 1DsMark II and a 7D - use it primarily for timelapse, because I find it a bit fiddly for video, unless I decide to dump another bunch of money into the right accessories. I've owned a GL2, XL2, XHA1, HV-10, HV-20 - not to mention a boatload of Canon lenses. I like Sony and Canon gear. I've shot the F3 - it's a bloody marvel. I'm sure I'll wish I owned a C300, too, I like the form factor personally. It's cute.

I only chimed in, because some of the assumptions about SCARLET on this thread seemed limited or incorrect. Since there is no RED forum here, the discussions tend to be thin on reliable information about the cameras and, in some cases, oddly biased or hostile.

I can never really understand bias or hostility towards particular cameras. I love em all. I want them all. Heck, my ten-year-old and I enjoy making her short films with my Flip....everything is beautiful and nothing hurts.

to Brian - just fyi, the RED brick battery life on an EPIC isn't in any way comparable to a RED ONE. I got about 45 minutes/brick on the ONE. I get 2-1/2 - 3 hours from a Brick on my EPIC (I think - I've never timed it, but I usually only change out the battery once before lunch and have never run through two before lunch) - so they've done a remarkable job of building a more power efficient camera - also, the 8-second start-up time versus the RED ONE eternity wait, makes shutting down and re-booting very easy...you'll be amazed at the improvements, if you get your hands on an EPIC or SCARLET.

I don't expect RED cameras to be for everyone, necessarily - but I do like them to be represented honestly - I think they have earned that, at least. Never has any company inspired such loyalty and such FUD, at the same time. Kind of a wild ride, in that way.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

The media/power costs for a Scarlet are a real concern (and thanks to Meryem for pointing out that the Red Bricks perform better than the RedVolts). I guess I've been "spoiled" for nearly 2 years with the PMW-EX1R, which just required buying an extra battery for a couple of hundred bucks to give me close to six hours running time (along with the supplied battery). This was a welcome change from the $2,000+ I'd spent on an Anton-Bauer system with my previous camera. And it looks like Canon battery solutions (for the C300, etc.) are similarly inexpensive like the Sony.

Media costs are a similar issue. The C300 records directly to CF cards (a massive winner in terms of media costs!) and I wonder if Red will "play nice" as people seek cheaper alternate media solutions with the Scarlet. I remember waiting a year or two before jumping on the EX1 bandwagon until I knew that:

1) The alternate media solutions had matured (MXM, MXR, etc.). I think I spent about $500 on an MXM solution which gives me 4 hours of recording at 1080p25 and I haven't had a glitch in nearly 2 years (although I have an SXS card for non-repeatable events).
2) Sony would "play nice" with these alternate media solutions and not issue new firmware to "lock out" these solutions or void everyone's warranty, etc. Sony were very smart about this and I'm sure that they sold a heap more cameras because of it. I'm not so sure about RED's attitude to this with the Scarlet.

So the "hidden" media/power costs actually make the C300 seem a slightly better financial proposition overall. (Unless better alternate solutions emerge for the Scarlet.)

The biggest issue for me (always more than 50%) with any camera I buy is: my personal aesthetic response to the images the camera produces.

I can't tell a thing from the C300 footage I've seen so far. It's all so heavily stylized and graded that I have no idea what the camera by itself can do. For example, I loved it when Doug Jensen took out an F3 and shot correctly exposed footage with a really good Picture Profile (scene file) and no (or very minimal) grading.

It's a bit like the days before the Digital Intermediate. The DP would select the film stock, correctly expose the footage and the lab would develop it. Today, I would equate the old-style "film stock and development of footage" to the modern camera's processing of the footage (sensor, A/D conversion, Optical Low-Pass Filtering, quality of the internal electronics, etc.) plus the selection of the Picture Profiles.

This is what tells me "what the camera can do", rather than "what an expert colorist can do".

The footage which made me fall in love with the "look" of the Epic was shot by an early Epic-M owner who just plopped the camera on the dashboard of his car (but he really knew how to shoot) as he drove home from picking up his camera and issued it ungraded (or with very minimal grading). I love how the Epic creates its images (sensor plus electronics) and that has nothing to do with the RAW workflow (which, I feel, is more of a bonus for the colorists). I'm not so sure at this point about the Scarlet with its lesser spec'd sensor and reduced electronics. The very early Scarlet footage I've seen has left me underwhelmed to this point. But it's only early days and I look forward to other DPs shooting with it as they roll it out more broadly.

I'm really hoping that Doug Jensen (or someone similarly skilled at exposure and setting up great Picture Profiles) shoots with a C300 soon and releases the ungraded footage.

Perhaps there are two different "camps" forming up? Those who want 100% control of the final image in the camera (with only minor tweaking needed in color correction) and those who like to shoot as flat as possible to give their expert colorist the most to work with?

The cameras are certainly getting good enough these days to accommodate both.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I've been very impressed by the footage I've seen so far but I agree that we have to wait to see ungraded footage to get a better sense for the "native" sensor (realizing that there really isn't anything that's totally ungraded -- except for perhaps log or raw footage that looks horrible because it is so flat).

One thing I haven't heard mentioned much is how much the new Canon lenses had to do with the look of the footage that's out there. Certainly, the lens has a major influence on the image. I'd like to see C300 footage with a lens I can afford on it.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Slightly Off Topic, but i wonder when JVC will throw their hat in the ring? as they surely will. They're an interesting company in that they don't have any high-end models to protect and could come up with something interesting in the future.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

There is a Kingston 128gb 1.8" SSD for $250... Red's is $1800. It may not be as fast, but at that gap it won't be long before someone else starts cutting meat off Red's bone, esp if the Scarlet sells 10x more cameras making much more demand.

on the battery issue
 

I guess I've never quite understood why people need a single battery to run all day, unless they are climbing up Everest or something. Obviously the longer the better, but after a reasonable amount of time, is there that much difference between running for two hours or three? Especially since many of the people who are the most interested in long run times are the same ones who seem content to have their camera powered by one battery, their monitor by another, any other accessories by a third, all different types of batteries requiring different chargers...that to me is true inefficiency.

Can't really see why the C300, like the F3, couldn't be powered by an external battery (gold or v-mount) in a comparable form to the RED bricks. There are plenty of inexpensive versions of these batteries out there for those who don't want to spend the money on the name brands. A quick boot-up time means powering down is not exactly diabolical, but if it is, hot swap is as simple as getting a dual battery mount.

Guess I'm not seeing why this is even a discussion point between the cameras. All three can use shorter run small batteries, and all can be powered externally by larger packs.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Hi Charles - it was only a discussion point, because so much concern was repeatedly expressed over the short run time of RedVolts, without a clear understanding that Redvolts are not the only available option. But no need to beat the horse...

As far as the quality of SCARLET footage, it is fairly identical to EPIC footage, since they use the same sensor and same ASIC. Less resolution - 5K is really only good for stills on the SCARLET, fewer compression options, less data rate - but not much that will be visible to the naked eye - probably tough to distinguish side-by-side even.

What this means is that crappy shooting will look like crappy shooting, and good imaging will look good - it will be the hands, not the camera....I feel confident saying that F3 footage, SCARLET footage, and C300 footage will all have the capacity to look amazing...or not!

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Best quote of the day.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I agree with this Dom. For me, they hit the nail on the head with thier ergonomics. Couple that with large sensor and an ability to swap between B4 lenses and PL/EF glass (if thats scientifically possible). Throw in a great codec and then it would be the camera of my dreams.
These "build your own camera from the brain up" scenarios prove combersome, costly and have too many variables that can go wrong in a run and gun shooting enviroment.
The C300 and Scarlet both look like wonderful cameras but also look high maintenance which if fine if it's a beautiful woman but not so much for a tool of the trade.....

Re: on the battery issue
 

I suspect it only becomes a factor when you're filming in a remote location where power for recharging batteries isn't available. The smaller capacity, but long running time can be easier manage using solar cells etc.

If you're getting 2 to 3 hours from a battery that's fine for most productions; you do start to notice the 1 hour battery changes and the RED One wasn't unique in that regard.

RED is an important player on the camera scene and have pushed the industry in new directions. Unfortunately, some of their fans seem to be blind to the reasons why not every production isn't shot with a RED.

People having strong reactions to different cameras isn't new and it can get to silly levels. One 1st camera assist insisted on having a specially ordered Selvyt lens cleaning cloth with Arri printed on it instead of the rental company's name because the Arri one was better. I guess he was blind to the fact that they were both made by the same company.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

No, I'm not biased, I actually regard Red quite highly, and mine wasn't intended to be an anti-Red comment. I just think "Red re-invented the market" is over the top. There is no doubt they have had a profound effect, but until very recently mostly at the higher end, and I think it's more the $5-15,000k end that's being most referred to here.
Going back further, yes. But they were very much a minority interest - maybe seeding the market rather than re-inventing it. It wasn't until video on DSLRs came along that there was an explosion in the numbers of users - and that's why I'd maintain it was video DSLRs that did most to "reinvent the market".

Look at the time scales. It takes maybe a couple of years to bring a brand new camera to market, depending on how much technology gets recycled, and it's pretty obvious that Panasonic, Sony, and Canon started about the same time - the time that the use of video DSLRs started to explode.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

I wasn't just referring to cameras, David, with the "RED re-invented the market" comment - I was also referring to a way of doing business - that is, withholding feature sets from their customers - as I mentioned, that was the issue underlying the invention, expressed right here at dvinfo, back in the day.

No matter how imperfectly they execute their schemes at times, RED does try to put their best technology forward at their best price points. They stay very true to that commitment. I'm pretty sure that they have forced a lot of hands in that regard.

This may change - as other companies begin to force *their* hands - in the beginning, they had no one to position themselves against, because there really wasn't anyone doing what they were doing, at the price point. DSLRs came shortly afterwards, forcing RED to re-consider the original SCARLET "pocket cam" concept, as well as 3K for $3K...and the Alexa, of course, on the other end. These have forced them to find a more refined identity for the company, beyond the desire to challenge trickleware.

But that is where it started. I respect those roots...it really did change the landscape for what other manufacturers are willing to do.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

The $150 Canon BP-970 will run the C300 for about 7 hours...the XF300/305 for about 8 hours.....and it doesn't weigh anything......compared to the traditional bricks.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Hmmm....the same batteries I use on my vintage (but venerable) XLH1 (never been serviced in its long life - knock wood).

I was filming with it in a swamp yesterday, and I only had to use 2 batteries throughout the whole day (plus one for a nanoflash). When you are in the field you really do appreciate a long lived compact battery (especially when filming wildlife so you have the camera on standby the whole day).

On that trip I just chucked 5 batteries in a rucksack (along with my lunch) and was good for more than a days shooting.

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

Regarding a 2/3" RAW cam with 3K for $3K, RED "de-invented" the market. ;) Too bad, too!

RED certainly re-invented the market above $15K and transformed the conversation - especially regarding RAW.

Nikon's D90 opened up new possibilities, and Canon brought adequate quality to truly re-invent the market from $1K to $5K. Now they're refining the market above $15k, but with a different approach from RED.

It's a great time to be shooting video. But it's a shame that Scarlet 2/3" didn't come to fruition. It certainly wasn't for a lack of effort and investment. Hopefully we will see results from that effort over time. Maybe RED will take part in re-inventing some of the sub $15K market before long...

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

i didn't see any so i went with RED;
I am not a fan boy of any camera brand, and I don't "love" RED team and Jim like some red forum users, i hate that flip with the fixed, and I do feel tricked into a scarlet X, but since I've touched R3Ds first time about 3 years ago, there is no question to me, i want raw, I don't even care that much if it's 4K, but I'm sure for some my clients it'll be important;
I know I can't run Scarlet all day on one small battery that weights nothing, and media is kinda expensive, but I also know that I will get image identical to R1MX, but smaller and lighter, and Epic (except for 5K and high frame rates) and that is pretty high quality for the price; I appreciate opinions from all informed sources including Mr Bloom's comments about their experience with RED cameras, but I need to have my own, i might just get rid of it after couple months or so, and get F3, or maybe even something better after NAB 2012, but not C300;

Re: Reasons to go for C300 over RED Scarlet X?
 

just wait until fluid lenses start reaching the market...