New! Blackmagic 2.5K Raw cinema camera!
 

And for only $3,000!
Davinci resolve 9.0 included!

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/pro...era/techspecs/

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Holy cow I want one NOW...

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BMD should change its name to Disrupting-Technology-INC

Once again taking everyone by surprise and releasing a product as capable as the rest, at a 10th of the price.

If the BMD camera delivers, this is the death of DLSRs as video cams and a very serious wound to RED, Canon, Sony and the rest.

This thing will fly off the shelves.

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Only one negative so far: 2.3x crop factor. Oh well, nothing's perfect!

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this is probably the end of DSLR

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Sounds pretty amazing. Looks like they've just about delivered on the original Scarlet promise.

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Is this an S35 sized sensor? Or S16?

How did they keep the development of this thing under wraps?

Canon must be taking notes at this point. This camera pretty much represents a checklist of what everyone wanted!

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Not so sure if it is the death of DSLR's. $3,000.00 is a bit more then a $1,000.00 DSLR. Also recording to SSD is going to be a very expensive option compared to SDHC. Granted the quality should kick the $#@% out of DSLRs even the GH2 but a lot of people that buy DSLRs are extreme budget seekers.

Canon should be a bit concerned however because those who wanted a DSLR for a pro camera will be considering these for sure.

The thing I like the most about this camera is moire and aliasing should not be a problem since the camera is filtered for 1080p video. Should be about as sexy of 1080p video as you could expect from a single CMOS sensor.

Of course just like any video camera we all have to wait to see how it actually looks and performs. At the end of the day pretty much every HD camera on the market looks awesome when you just look at the specs. It is the image quality resolved that will ultimately make or break this camera. On paper however I do like what I see so far.

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Blackmagic Cinema Camera - John Brawley

Great looking footage, this thing is astounding value.

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I understand the sensor size is a bit smaller than a micro 4/3, but larger than Super-16.

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Looks like the sensor is about a fourth of 135 format (FF photo), therefore also also smaller than the standard S35.

This will affect depth of field and multiply the focals of all lenses.

Wonder why they chose such an odd sensor size.

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Samples and firsthand user information is here:

Blackmagic Cinema Camera – Let’s take it from the top | johnbrawley

So far I like what I've seen. He doesn't make it sound particularly good in low light, so that may be a strike against it compared to the latest generation of cameras from the big manufacturers. I also hadn't noticed the 2.3x crop factor mentioned before... that could be another reason to go with another camera.

I wonder how this will impact the 'Digital Bolex' people - it sounds like BM basically did exactly what they were planning to do. I would guess the odd sensor size is because they are simply working with an off-the-shelf industrial sensor that was originally designed for something other than traditional cinematography.

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People are guessing its the same sensor as the A-Cam dII, and maybe the same sensor the digital bolex will be using.
ikonoskop.com

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Also, integrated battery is a no go for event work.

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Looks like Blackmagic has stolen the show!

SB

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The expression game changer get's ridiculously over-used, but not in this instance.

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Actually, you can use a powerpack, so looks like a good b-cam replacement for a gh2 for ceremony coverage.

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Looks very interesting.

The 2.3 magnification is a big problem for ultra wide SLR/DSLR lenses and would even crop with EFS lenses or Olympus 4/3 lenses.

The low light performance is nowhere near that of the DSLRs.

No viewfinder or many other options as standard on a DSLR body.

It cannot shoot 23MP or 36MP stills combined with HD video.

So, I can't see it 'killing' DSLRs at all.

But, it still has caught my interest and want to find out more.

Certainly a bit of 'Black Magic'! :)

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The active sensor size is 15.6mm x 8.8mm.

More than a A-CAM (10,6 mm x 6 mm) and less than a FS100 (23.4mm x 15.6mm)

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Most likely ccd sensor?

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That's pretty close to Micro 4/3. Assuming compatible mounts, I guess those lenses might make sense on this camera.

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The choice of using EF lenses is an interesting one. I agree with others that the crop factor is going to be a bit interesting to deal with. Users are going to need some very wide lenses to get wide shots.

The one thing that is interesting however is the amount of EF glass out there already. Pretty much any Canon DSLR user out there which we all know is a dime a dozen these days already has most of the gear they would need to transition to the BM camera. Glass is the area where most of us spend the largest chunk of change when we adopt DSLRs for video. As a Panasonic user myself this kind of sucks since I do not have any EF lenses.

So for current Canon users the tradeoff is going to be buy another DSLR to shoot stills and deal with heavy compressed low detail video with artifacts or be able to shoot raw video or at the bottom end 10bit ProRes. Of course the DSLR will offer perhaps better range and better low light but is that worth it to give up raw or 10 bit recording that is virtually uncompressed. Tough choice really.

To be honest I don't put much stock in low light shooting anyway. We always light our video. You can always add light to a production but it is much harder to add 12 bit raw recording.

Finally audio has always been the bastard child of the DSLR world. The BM camera seems to have that area covered fairly well. If any DSLR user ever wished they had better audio support this camera may be it.

One thing is for sure, it will be interesting to see how the DSLRs respond to this. If the BM camera really takes off Canon and Panasonic may have to rethink their directions.

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Yeah, but I'm not looking for a stills camera that shoots video, I'm looking for my next filmmaking camera.

We definitely need to see more, but the ups seem way more than the downs - 4:4:4 pro res ready to edit ad grade right out of the camera, A focus on film latitude and workflow.

Keep the VF on the 5D and use this as your A camera with SDI out to your monitor. For $3k I can deal with a crop sensor if it rivals Alexa image quality.

Amazing potential.

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Daaaammmnnnn! Focus peaking, iris control, xlr's, 5" screen and so on - very nice -- but -- integrated battery with 90 minute record time and 2 hour charge time. Not exactly your camera for a day of shooting. I do like the strap lugs on top, that'll be something hanging around your neck.

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This looks like a very interesting option.

It's super light, compact, I think they borrowed a few pages from the RED playbook on user interface which is very straightforward and intuitive. The menu structure isn't overly complicated but has everything you need. 2-channel audio inputs running 1/4'' jacks so similar sound quality to XLR inputs. You can choose ZF mount or Canon mount.

Shipping in July reportedly. The guy I spoke with said that 128gb drive would cost about $140, so not exactly cheap but not exactly expensive either - media in the middle, cost-wise.

The form factor is a little unusual and offers little in the way of visible mounting points, which can be problematic. The guy who I spoke with didn't have any answers to that question. My impression is that it took him slightly off guard - but right now I didn't get an answer on where you would mount an external monitor, microphone, even basic items. I'm sure third-party and even BlackMagic solutions will come fast once they hear back from a user base.

I don't think this is "killer" anything. Just a very interesting option in a field of increasingly interesting options. Honestly, I think the acquisition wars are reaching a point of saturation - affordable post-production, storage, and delivery systems are the next important bits.

Actually, I think Canon is still a big winner in all of these camera wars because they stand to sell tons of lenses to a burgeoning, emerging market.

I have some pictures but my stupid Flip cam #$%^& ran out of batteries so I can't load anything until I obtain some batteries. By then, someone may beat me to it.

It's pretty cool though. Finally, one of these companies is getting with the fact that RAW is the revolution. I'm still surprised that Canon has not been able to take advantage of that fact. BlackMagic taking the step of bundling Resolve with this camera is a bold move from a company which has become known for its bold moves.

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Looks interesting.
It expands the choice we have even more.
Super16 and raw (at 2,5K) isn't available yet, is it?

The cropfactor will probably make this camera interesting for wildlife-projects.

I think the internal battery is a weird choice. That means you need to add extra stuff to your riggs if you need to shoot for more than 1,5 hour.

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This is the best thing I've read so far:
I love being able to take a ProRes file & start editing. Still great quality & much smaller file sizes than raw.
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Dissapointed in the audio input, I'd much rather have XLR than 1/4".
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Intrigued by this:
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I wish there was more than a 1/4" & VHS pin on the bottom of the camera. I have fallen in love with the 2x 1/4" + VHS pin on the bottom of my Z7U, I was happy to see it on the EX1R & think Panasonic took it a step farther by have a 1/4" & 3/8" + VHS pin on the AC130/160 HPX250.

Two threading points are sooooo much better than a single 1/4" & the VHS locator pin.
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Happy to see this:

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Not entirely sure but this may also be the cheapest camera ever with HD-SDI out. The cool thing about this is that with the record options the camera has you almost don't even need it except for live productions or for a monitor. If you ever wish you could have SDI instead of HDMI or no option at all then this camera is a no brainer.

The native thunderbolt output is interesting as well. First time I heard anybody use thunderbolt as a direct port to feed video data.

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I keep mulling over the Blackmagic site, hoping/wishing for Genlock to appear in the feature list.

-- DC

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So reading more, doesn't look like its the Ikon sensor, different size and more dynamic range. Looks like they capitalized on their gopro acquisition? So whats the gopro have for a sensor? Is this a fancy gopro camera?

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I don't think this is an ideal camera for event work. This is a digital cinema camera. It's purpose is to make films, narrative mostly, but documentaries as well. Commercials, corporate shoots, anything that gives you time to set up shots.
Event cameras are more like run and gun style, quick to set up and use, preferably with power zooms. I would not choose this camera for event videography.

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Well this thing threw a spanner in the works - Black Magic makes some great products, and Im glad they came out with this camera at this price point... makes all the other manufacturers move a bit quicker!

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That's what I'm thinking too.

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I think that Blackmagic are the first sensible company, and stuck an SSD slot into the camera for its recording media, and a Thunderbolt (or Lightpeak) port for IO. They're taking commodity PC hardware that has the capacity and throughput for high definition video.

Oh, and how about a 512 GB SSD, capable of recording just over an hour of RAW, lossless video? And I'm pretty sure that 1 TB drives are just around the corner.

It also looks like they're pushing a lot of functionality into software on a laptop, rather than hardware.

I think that they've been very smart. It'd have been nice if they'd offered a few different lens mounts.

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Yes, using off-the-shelf, common electronic parts from the computer industry is a very clever thing to do that lowers costs, leaves R&D resources for the important stuff and improves sinergy. This is what Apple has been doing for some time and BMD is following Apple's steps as of lately.

I'm convinced this camera will only be the beginning and in one year BMD will release the S35 model with 120fps under $6k, shaking the industry upside down.
BMD has done it before in other fields, switchers, video cards, video mixers, grading software, etc. Cine Cameras are next.

I'm sure executives at RED, Canon, Sony, Panasonic et all will go to sleep a bit troubled today.

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What would be the crop factor when using EF lenses with this camera? Trying to figure out if I have things covered with my existing lenses.

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From what I understand, m4/3 is essentially a 2x crop factor vs 1.6 with APS-C and 1.3 with APS-H sizing.

I see it was mentioned that the crop factor might be 2.3x above? So a bit smaller than m4/3... So your 100mm would be 230mm, 50mm is 115mm, 24mm is 55.2, and an 11-16 would be 25.3-36.8. Those being equivalent focal lengths on FF obviously, not new focal lengths.

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They actually have a power pack option/port.

If you read their website they call out weddings, so they are marketing it to event film makers. The main issue would be lack of on camera controls, but they've included a lanc control port, so hopefully that is for future iris and shutter controls. Raw format is the future, the storage cost might not be there currently, but I would shoot proress if it saved the sky from blowing out. I offer a document edit (camera on a tripod) that this camera would be a good replacement for (GH2), and would pay for itself. As third party support starts to step in and storage options drop in price, it might get A cam work??

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My thinking exactly. This will kick over the apple cart for the competition for a while but a big brother version with an S35 sensor, XLR inputs etc. for $6k or so will be the follow up punch.

Finally a camera focused on cinema work at a highly accessible price point. Brilliant!

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The unfullfilled promise of the red scarlet now gets delivered by a Company who've kicked some goals in the past. Sweet!

Now my choice is between a D800, a kineraw S16 and this.