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Alain Mayo
July 21st, 2007, 11:48 AM
What's causing this in my videos?

http://www.mayosproductions.com/videos/Image7.jpg
http://www.mayosproductions.com/videos/Image8.jpg

Do you think I have to run a cleaning tape on my cam? or it is an issue with the camera CCD's


thanks

Chris Hurd
July 21st, 2007, 12:55 PM
That's not a CCD problem. That's a tape playback problem. A head cleaning cassette may help.

Alain Mayo
July 21st, 2007, 01:30 PM
That's not a CCD problem. That's a tape playback problem. A head cleaning cassette may help.

Thanks, do you know of any good cleaning cassete?

Bill Pryor
July 21st, 2007, 02:06 PM
All are about the same. I use the Sony because that what the tape suplier had in stock (though I use Panasonic AMQ tapes).

Chris Hurd
July 21st, 2007, 04:11 PM
With cleaning cassettes, brand does not matter. Like Bill, I have a Sony cleaner and Panasonic tapes. Choice doesn't matter; just get one.

Tom Roper
July 21st, 2007, 04:25 PM
It just happened to me too, very similar looking. Class action lawsuit? (Just kidding ;)

I discarded the tape, and ran a cleaner cassette through it.

Alain Mayo
November 16th, 2007, 02:09 PM
I'm back again with ther same problem, I'm now really concern if I should send my cam to service or if this is a very common issue. I bought the cleaning tape and I have run it few times it stays clean for a while but then the color squares come back again, they ussually appear in a frame for one second and then dessapear. Last time I shoot with 3 new sony minidv tapes and in the first tape I did not get any of the artifacts or whatever they are called, but in the second and third tape I got them 5 or 6 times, not consecuitive but at different times. I hope I made myself clear, I just want to know if this is common and if you have experienced this same issue?
Thanks.

Philip Gioja
November 16th, 2007, 02:32 PM
You might try a higher quality (read: more expensive...) tape, or switch tape brands. I had some dropout problems with a Sony HD tape, and it was the second tape ever run through the camera. I'm planning to use Canon's HD tapes whenever I'm shooting HD now. Price is a little rough, but I have to have reliable results.

Bill Pryor
November 16th, 2007, 07:29 PM
I'd place a bet the Canon HDV tapes are made by Sony.

Don Palomaki
November 17th, 2007, 10:17 AM
I'd place a bet the Canon HDV tapes are made by Sony.

FWIW: My XL1 came with a 30 minute Panasonic-branded tape The CCD block in the XL1 was from Panasonic. However, that was a number of years ago. Not sure what they use now.

Bill Pryor
November 17th, 2007, 10:26 AM
I'm just guessing, but the "Canon" HDV tape they give you now is in the same kind of box nobody but Sony has ever used. Well...Fuji did use the same kind but not, I think, on the mini size cassettes.

Alain Mayo
November 17th, 2007, 11:33 AM
Do u guys think That the color blocks I getting are from the tape or a damaged ccd sensor?

Bill Pryor
November 17th, 2007, 11:39 AM
It's the tape, not the CCDs.

Lou Bruno
November 18th, 2007, 12:39 PM
NO.......but they won't tell me which brand it is.

I'd place a bet the Canon HDV tapes are made by Sony.

Benjamin Hill
November 18th, 2007, 02:12 PM
NO.......but they won't tell me which brand it is.

The Canon HDV tapes have the DigitalMaster TM on them. This is a Sony trademark. FWIW

Bill Pryor
November 18th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Ha! My look-at-the-box technique was accurate.:)

Benjamin Hill
November 18th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Some crack detectives, we are.

Alain Mayo
November 18th, 2007, 09:24 PM
I Ran the cleaning tape just before I started to shoot today and I still Got more color blocks I used a brand new sony tape. This is getting hopeless. Before i was using panasonic tapes I switched to sony and the problem still there.

Benjamin Hill
November 18th, 2007, 10:10 PM
Run the cleaning tape 1 more time; and make sure your tape transport isn't dusty or dirty. Also, let us know things like:
-how often the artifacts are lasting- a frame? Few frames? Half-second or more?
-if you are shooting HDV or DV.
-if you are using the $3 Sony tapes or the $15 Sony tapes

Just eliminate as many variables as you can.

Alain Mayo
November 18th, 2007, 11:32 PM
Run the cleaning tape 1 more time; and make sure your tape transport isn't dusty or dirty. Also, let us know things like:
-how often the artifacts are lasting- a frame? Few frames? Half-second or more?
-if you are shooting HDV or DV.
-if you are using the $3 Sony tapes or the $15 Sony tapes

Just eliminate as many variables as you can.

They last a Frame (one second or less It's really fast), I was shooting dv with 3 dollard tapes.

thanks

Bill Busby
November 19th, 2007, 04:05 AM
Alain, until you get to the bottom of the problem (heads checked, etc.) since these look like DV dropouts & only last a frame or so... if it's footage that can't be replaced & you have to use it... export & fix the frames in Photoshop, then import back to cover :) No one would be the wiser.

Bill

Alain Mayo
November 19th, 2007, 09:09 AM
Thanks, I will try to use more expensive tapes if the issue continues I will send my camera to Canon for service.

Sven Ohrvik
November 23rd, 2007, 03:14 AM
Until recently, I have solely used Canon HDVM-E63PR tapes – without any serious dropout issues. As these tapes are very expensive – and difficult to find – I bought 12 of the Sony DVM63 tapes two weeks ago. (As recommended on this forum, I used a cleaning tape before switching tape brand.)

Immediately after starting using the Sony tapes, I got serious dropout problems. For instance – trying to capture one of my tapes via FW, was splitting my 50 minutes shot in 25 pieces, each with several seconds missing in between. (I first believed it could be a FireWire problem, and disconnected the camera, trying to playback the tape without capturing. The dropouts was visible on the LCD as well, starting with the «50i» symbol disappearing.)

Repeating the cleaning process made things a little better, but after capturing one or two more tapes, the problem was back. It seemed like the video head was clogging up very fast.

Due to my projects deadline, the only solution was to start reusing my old Canon tapes. I ran the cleaning tape once more, and started over. Everything was immediately much better – maybe one small dropout every second tape or so.

(All the recording sessions and capturing mentioned are continuous shots, about 50 min. of length).

I have been recommended to try the Panasonic HDV tapes and have ordered some of these. (They are one third the price of Canon HDV tapes, and half the price of the Sonys, so i'm crossing my fingers...)

:-)

Bw
Sven

Alain Mayo
November 23rd, 2007, 10:38 AM
I have not had any drop out issues with the sony tapes, it's just the colors blocks.

Bill Busby
November 23rd, 2007, 09:51 PM
In the SD world, those ARE dropouts. Of course you never commented on whether you're shooting SD or HDV. HDV dropouts behave very differently than SD, being that there may be a 15 frame or longer freeze. But those, as I've said before, look exactly like they would with SD.

Bill

Alain Mayo
November 27th, 2007, 08:00 AM
In the SD world, those ARE dropouts. Of course you never commented on whether you're shooting SD or HDV. HDV dropouts behave very differently than SD, being that there may be a 15 frame or longer freeze. But those, as I've said before, look exactly like they would with SD.

Bill

Yeap, I'm shooting SD. The strange thing is that vegas has not detected any drop out issue during captured.