I have a question for you guys I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on the more professional shotgunmics. There are a lot about rode and the cheaper AT and sennheiser mics, but what mic would you use if you could pick any mic under 3000$ that has the same pattern as the sennheisser mkh-416?(which is the about the only more expensive mic that I see being mentioned here(and is one of the better ones i would like to hear more about))

I my self have a AT 4073 which is a very good mic even though I know the sennheiser mkh-416 is better. Is there a mic in the price range I mention above that is even better? Or could you recomend a kit that would be better allround (maybe two mics or three that together used wisely deliver better quality than the one mic I'm asking for:)They don't have to cost below 3000 together it's ok if the kit is more expensive). Also good to know is that my production company almost always works on location and not on a soundstage so I would appreciate it if your recomendations could take that into account. Also note that I said mics plural (I guess there are some candidates so please feel free to talk about your favourite (I don't want to start a long discussion based on two groups having there own favourite).

I'm going to be using them on proffesional productions so I'm only interested in the best mics even (under 3000, I know sky is the limit if you really want to spend money, if there is something close to that please mention them as well but if they are more expensive I would appreciate if you could mention the price also) though many of you are content with your lower end models and think they are really good I would really like to hear about the good stuff. There are endless posts about the other ones so I would appreciate if we could focus on the higher end models.

Sanken CS-3
Schoeps CMIT 5U
Neumann KMR81

Question though ... what are your criteria for "better?" What specifically properties are looking for that you don't have with the A/T mic or you are looking for more of in a mic than the 416 gives you? Are you locations mostly indoors or out? If you are generally in indoor locations, a hypercardioid such as the Schoeps CMC641 on a boom might serve you better than any of the shotguns.

Sanken CS-3e would be my choice (slightly newer version of the CS-3, I think they tweaked the pickup patter ever so slightly).

I can second that, have been using CS-3e for some 6 months. Hard to imagine anything better what comes to midrange (pattern, not price) shtoguns.

And COS-11 is maybe the best lavalier...

Haven't used the 416, but I know the CS3e seems to be its closest competitor. I've had a CS3e for a couple of years, and man, that is a miracle mic.

Thanks guys, It seems like the sanken can become a great companion. I read a review of it and it said that the sanken had great of axis isolation on both the high and low frequencies and and that it lessened the proximitieffect so it seems as the right mic for me. In the same review they said that the neuman and the schoeps were more quiet and better suited for a soundstage together with a highquality preamp. But for my purpose (I almost always record on location) the sanken seems perfect.

Does anyone know if it has a longer cousin that is even more narrow for those really hard noisy places?

The CS3e is considered comparable to a long gun in terms of side rejection. I think you'd be looking at an MKH70 or maybe CK69 to do better. Even then, some people claim the CS3e has even more side rejection. I have no idea as I've never used those two mics either. The CS3e also handles interiors remarkably well. Only downside I've found is that it has a fair amount of self-noise. This is only evident if you have to boost the gain really high. No problem in a noisey enviroment, but in a quiet one it's deadly.

Hi Teodor:

Perhaps a more option-laden choice would be to own and use multiple mics? There is no perfect mic for every situation. My suggestion would be to purchase the Schoeps and then perhaps the Sanken or some combination thereof.

I will be publishing a large review/test on shotguns in August, if you can wait. I will be testing/reviewing 10 different shotguns/super/hypercardioids and posting samples of each.

Best,

Dan

I've been reviewing mics, including shotguns for trade magazines for years. Most of thise reviews are in my On Line Archives.

I also have some sound comparison audio files.

Help yourself.

Were I to buy today, it'd be a CMIT. I already own a 416 and a 4073a.

Regards,

Ty Ford

I am using Sanken CMS-10. Pretty good - has either mono or stereo that you can switch - depending on application. Easier to carry on location than two MKH-50 ... if you are recording in studio like environments (very quiet), MKH-50 are a much better bet. For longer reach, I use MKH-70.

Hi Ty Ford,
Where is the link to your online archives?

Hi Ty Ford,
Where is the link to your online archives?

Here's the link for Ty's excellent reviews....

www.tyford.com

Enjoy.

Thanks Sam.

I have not reviewed the CMS-10.

TingSern, what are you looking for?

Ty

Ty Ford,

I was looking for your weblink to your reviews. Sam has provided me with the link. But when I tried to go to your website, it was very slow.

Anyway, my feedback regarding CMS-10 is - to me, it is an excellent microphone to use on camera. The stereo image is good, considering the size of the microphone. Obviously, can't compare with one pair of MKH-50 when used in stereo recordings inside concert halls. But, when I am running for a shot, CMS-10 is the way to go. I would like to know how the CMS-10 compares with other microphones of its class. So, when you do a test of CMS-10, please let me know. Thank you.

I own the 416. All in all, it's the most fantastic mic I've used outdoors. It's also built extremely well and is very sturdy, which is often the biggest difference in cheaper vs. pro equipment. Indoors though, it can be a disaster.

However, you'd be surprised how much of a difference the quality of XLR cable you use can make too. I think it's commonly overlooked to not buy high-quality cable to match the high-quality mic on the end of it.

So, where do you get high quality XLR cable? What brand?

So, where do you get high quality XLR cable? What brand?

Quad cables from either Canare or Mogami are top brands, Neutric connectors

I recently picked one up but haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Is there any reason it wouldn't perform well indoors for dialogue vs. Outdoor use?
Thanks

Anyone want to chime in on the differences between the MKH-60 and the MKH-70?

From reading Sennheiser's website, it seems that the 70 has longer reach than the 60. But otherwise, do they sound essentially the same?

Also, I've read that due to its low noise, the 60 has an effectively longer reach than the 416, so is 70's reach really that much longer than the 60's?

Thanks very much guys!

I have MKH50 and MKH70 - but no MKH60 :-). The 70 is indeed very quiet. The 50 is extremely good for recording concerts (in quiet areas). The 70 is what I used for recording nature sounds in outdoor settings. Can pick up the sound of flowing water across a small stream from 10m away - if ambient sounds are quiet enough.

I recently picked one up but haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Is there any reason it wouldn't perform well indoors for dialogue vs. Outdoor use?
Thanks

Yes. To see and hear why, visit my website's Online Archive, look in the video folder and watch/listen the Ty Ford Mic Tutorial.mp4.

Use headphones or big monitors, not computer speakers.

Regards,

Ty Ford

I recently picked one up but haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Is there any reason it wouldn't perform well indoors for dialogue vs. Outdoor use?
Thanks

The conventional wisdom says to use a hypercardoid indoors, not a shotgun. The reason is that a shotgun is not very directional in the low-mid and low frequencies, so you typically hear a lot of room sound (unnatural sounding reflections) in the lows.

However, your mileage will vary, as, neither all shotguns nor all rooms are created equal. It all depends...

I have a question for you guys I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on the more professional shotgunmics. There are a lot about rode and the cheaper AT and sennheiser mics, but what mic would you use if you could pick any mic under 3000$ that has the same pattern as the sennheisser mkh-416?(which is the about the only more expensive mic that I see being mentioned here(and is one of the better ones i would like to hear more about))

Unless the dollar has dropped worse than I thought, there aren't any mono shotguns that cost $3000.

Regards,

Ty Ford

I have a question for you guys I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on the more professional shotgunmics. There are a lot about rode and the cheaper AT and sennheiser mics, but what mic would you use if you could pick any mic under 3000$ that has the same pattern as the sennheisser mkh-416?(which is the about the only more expensive mic that I see being mentioned here(and is one of the better ones i would like to hear more about))

I my self have a AT 4073 which is a very good mic even though I know the sennheiser mkh-416 is better. Is there a mic in the price range I mention above that is even better? Or could you recomend a kit that would be better allround (maybe two mics or three that together used wisely deliver better quality than the one mic I'm asking for:)They don't have to cost below 3000 together it's ok if the kit is more expensive). Also good to know is that my production company almost always works on location and not on a soundstage so I would appreciate it if your recomendations could take that into account. Also note that I said mics plural (I guess there are some candidates so please feel free to talk about your favourite (I don't want to start a long discussion based on two groups having there own favourite).

I'm going to be using them on proffesional productions so I'm only interested in the best mics even (under 3000, I know sky is the limit if you really want to spend money, if there is something close to that please mention them as well but if they are more expensive I would appreciate if you could mention the price also) though many of you are content with your lower end models and think they are really good I would really like to hear about the good stuff. There are endless posts about the other ones so I would appreciate if we could focus on the higher end models.

if you need 1 mic to run around i personally didn't find something better then sanken cs-3e ( 1300-1350 USD)- it has very pleasant sound , best side rejection between the short shotguns , its not so sharp as 416 and not so wide as kmr 81
working excellent interiors
probably the best overall shotgun - i have 2 :-)( and in rentals we have all the rest as well ,60, 70 416, 816 ,schoeps , 81s,82 and taking the DPA in a week or 2 as my partner is a bit obsessive check it 2)

Anyone want to chime in on the differences between the MKH-60 and the MKH-70?

From reading Sennheiser's website, it seems that the 70 has longer reach than the 60. But otherwise, do they sound essentially the same?

Also, I've read that due to its low noise, the 60 has an effectively longer reach than the 416, so is 70's reach really that much longer than the 60's?

Thanks very much guys!
The 416 is the most narrow pattern mic in short shotguns , very bad for off axis as it completely twist the sound so with inexperience boom operator is a hell , have grate proximity effect so some like it for it ,the sound vary depends how fur you from the subject .
i personally dont like the mkh-60 but it more depends on my ear and not really how it sounds - completely deffernt from the 416 , very quet mic , maybe the quetes between all the shorts , but that good only in the desert from 10 feet height and not really in situations where you working on location and start to hear your preamp much earlier , the 70 has much narrow pick up , sound completely different then the 60 - excellent mic for reality if you on desert island or need to pick up something from 6 feet over the actor on the street

cs-3e but keep a watchful ear. It has a tight pattern.

CMIT tight pattern but with softer edges.

Regards,

Ty Ford