Just got done shooting my sixth wedding. This was my first with the XH-A1, so I had expectations for higher quality than in the past.
I was disappointed, though, since my wireless lav mic was useless for the audio. At rehearsal the night before, the mic was flawless. Heck, ten minutes before the ceremony, I could hear the groom in his ready room joking around with his buddies. TWO MINUTES before the groom enters the sanctuary, I get radio interference from something...probably one of the late-arriving guests with a radio device in their pocket. Now it's too late to change channels (I was stuck at my pastor-assigned post), so I get no lav audio from the groom and the audio I do get is from the B-camera, so all you can hear is the pastor talking and music which was amplified over the loudspeakers.
Crap!
Maybe I'll put subtitles in! ;) This will be my biggest editing challenge to date.

How about get the couple in for a bit of ADR?

Did the church have wireless audio too? If so I bet it was interference from that. ALWAYS test IN the area with house system devices running! This is one reason I'm not using wireless anymore.

I've recently started using an iRiver in conjunction with the wireless unit. I just attach the lav mic using a Y-splitter.

Of course if the mic craps out I'm screwed.

Rick,

Do you mean you have an iRiver, and a transmitter in the groom's pocket?

How's that been working for you?

Thanks,
Vito

I have had too many of these happen (even though not that many). I think voice over would be your best bet to fix it decent.

But let me pipe in, my last wedding I ran my wireless, two irivers, and then ran a 50 foot cord from my side cam to an AT835b on a short stand, another mic on a cord connected to another AT835b pointing at the singer. Yeah, call me anal, but I've been there done that with audio failures. The best two audio signals I had were my wireless and my front AT835b.

I did another wedding where I had two wireless go in the crapper, and it was my irivers that saved me. One wireless just died on the spot and the other caught interference from something withing 10 feet of the front.

It's a ton of work, but I need atleast 3 or 4 audio signals to feel comfortable.

Jerome,

I did a test with the wireless audio in the church and my wireless system about an hour before the ceremony and had no issues with interference. I really cannot explain what happened. Gremlins, I guess.

After reading everyone's posts, I think I'm going to have to get an iRiver for the groom to put in his pocket. My only fear is that somehow it will get turned off accidentally.

Vito - I like th idea of ADR, but I doubt I'd get the couple to come back from Hawaii to do it. LOL Maybe I could put that in my contract, though, that they have to come for an ADR session. Hmmm....it's just crazy enough to work.

OT: I remember shooting a little spoof movie with some friends of mine. After the rough edit was done, I called them all back to my house for ADR. They were all thinking, "Didn't you record us when you were shooting?" Amateurs...

I had a simular problem while recording a live seminar. Test went fine. Then as the event began, the RF from Shure UC wireless was cutting out, due to another weak signal that was capturing it. The receiver has a S-meter, so I knew it was signal strength related. I snuck up on stage, pulled the transmitter out of the speakers back pocket and set it on the podium. I then repositioned my receiver antenna. Whew!

I know that you have limited option during a ceremony, but I have never regretted interuping an event to correct a major technical problem. The pressue is intense, but post is a lot more fun.

I've recently started using an iRiver in conjunction with the wireless unit. I just attach the lav mic using a Y-splitter.

Rick, I've often thought about doing that same thing as a backup to wireless, but I didn't know if splitting the mic would degrade the signal. Plus, I use a GS mic for the iRiver and the mic that came with my senny g2 for it. Could I just use the giant squid mic for both?

Dan

curious to know what brands your using..

in my 6 years of using wireless mics for weddings, i still to this day, use a Sennheiser G1. G2s are good, but dont reach as far and i use those for lecterns and teh like..

Of the 260 odd weddings in that time (give or take) only twice have i had issues.
The first was when a ceremony was at the waterfront with boats and cruisers about 100metres away, in turn their radios were interfering and caused noise, and the second was the actual venue sound system crapping out, which they thought was caused by my mics, but continued crapping out even after i shut my system down.

Twice... knock on wood, its been a good run..

Rick,

Do you mean you have an iRiver, and a transmitter in the groom's pocket?

How's that been working for you?

Thanks,
VitoYes, 2 units in the groom's pocket... one mic. It's works just fine. Never had the need to use the iRiver recording yet but it's there just in case. I tried increasing the iRiver's gain level to 55 to get the bride's soft voice but My Senn G2 still does a better job.

I take off the groom's jacket, position the mic and insert the 2 units myself - there's never a need for him to go "in there".

Hmmm. Sounds like a great idea. I'll have to try that out.

Thanks for the info...

Rick, I've often thought about doing that same thing as a backup to wireless, but I didn't know if splitting the mic would degrade the signal. Plus, I use a GS mic for the iRiver and the mic that came with my senny g2 for it. Could I just use the giant squid mic for both?

DanI use the G2 mic instead of the squid since the G2 recording is the one I wan't to use, the iRiver being just a redundant backup. No signal loss as far as I can tell but the Y splitter is only about a foot long. It's a F to MM and hard to find. I got mine off ebay somewhere for about $3 I think. I did "tape" the G2 mic to the female end of the splitter just in case it would work its way out.

I also use this same cable/iRiver backup method at the reception. I just replace the G2 lav mic with a drum mic and mount both units on a mic stand in front of the speaker. The iRiver provides 8 hours of continuous recording and comes in handy if I didn't have the camera rolling. The iRiver needs a little work in post though. And of course it's mono.

Like I say, I rarely use the iRiver recording but it sure gives peace of mind. My Senn G2 units have never failed me but I know crap happens like the original poster of this thread found out. It could happen to any one of us.

I do like the G2's though. They have a built in scanner you can use to find a free frequency but you need to make sure the church's wireless system is on before you scan. Of course, that doesn't help if somebody with some electronic gizmo walks in just before the ceremony.

We decided to get out of the wirless business this year. Now we use these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/459481-REG/Zaxcom_ZFR100H_ZFR100_Digital_Audio.html

Why no one has made a cheaper one (without the jamming option) I have no idea. Audio Technica or someone could make a killing.

They are pricey but Zaxcom is like the Gucci of the audio world.

Hmmm. Very nice thingy. I'll have to think about this. It would be nice if the price was near a good wireless.

Why no one has made a cheaper one (without the jamming option) I have no idea. Audio Technica or someone could make a killing.Many are having high hopes for the Zoom H2 being released next month(?) that will go for $200. There's been lots of recent discussion about it here.

And the more weddings I do, I'm beginning to wonder what the real advantage is to monitoring audio on-cam. (Other than get sick over the fact you're not getting any like the original poster).

It's not like I can do anything about it anyway if it's not working. Being able to adjust the input volume for a softspoken bride is nice though but I can do that in post.

I've shot video in a church before several times. I used my Samson UHF 32 and the GS lav+Iriver. Have not had any issues (let's keep it that way) from the church wireless PA system and they use 2 systems and at least 4 mics. I've shot several seminars of 1 hour+ each and it did not have a problem. I will say that true diversity really rocks. I could see the receiver switching between the 2 channels receivers A and B. I have heard about people getting interference before. All being said I always use 2 lavs. When I get home I have to say that the GS lav sound is very addictive and I always use it. The Samson is also top quality but for some reason the GS really has me hooked.

We decided to get out of the wirless business this year. Now we use these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/459481-REG/Zaxcom_ZFR100H_ZFR100_Digital_Audio.html

Why no one has made a cheaper one (without the jamming option) I have no idea. Audio Technica or someone could make a killing.

They are pricey but Zaxcom is like the Gucci of the audio world.

Hey Justin, is the Zaxcom still working out for you?

I had problems with a wireless mic the first time I used one in a ceremony. It worked fine shooting love stories but I should have anticipated what would happen in a ceremony. During one love story the groom decided to take pictures next to me while i was shooting. I started gettings tons of interence and we joked about his camera being the cause. Well, when I recorded a ceremony with it everyone and their mother were shooting away with their digital cameras. It was an audio nightmare. Voices would completely cutout at times.

Needless to say, I got the iRiver set-up now.

You can lock Irivers so they cannot be turned off.

We use Zen wireless along with a backup Edirol R9 digital recorder with a giant squid lav mic. The R9 has excellent quality. We then use it to go direct into the DJ board for the introductions.

What wireless system are you using? I've been using Lectrosonics for the last 15 years or so and I've NEVER experienced problems with it.

Rick,

Do you mean you have an iRiver, and a transmitter in the groom's pocket?

How's that been working for you?

Thanks,
Vito

I shot my first wedding on 7-7-7.
Wired up the groom like Ryan Seacrest with 2 lavs (GS+IRiver and Samson UHF wireless).

I think everyone should consider doing this especially since the GS+IRiver is only affected by user error. I've done about 10 events were I've used the GS and all the speakers were able to get it right (hit record button, slide the lock button).

Because the iriver can record about 4.5 hours, you can set them going 10-15 minutes beforehand yourself and not have to worry about someone else getting it wrong or forgetting.