I am a long time lurker on this forum and have learned a lot from you guys. I was wanting to ask whether or not it is a good idea to shoot a wedding in 24f or 24p? If so why or why not. I am doing a dual camera setup an XH-A1 and an HV20. Since the HV20 will do 24p and should work nicely as a B-Roll camera in the Ceremony, does it make sense to shoot the wedding this way? Since there is little movement in the actual Ceremony, I would think at least shoot it in 24 and possible the rest in 30p or 60i. I do plan to use some prelude and postlude video in slow mo that will probably look better filmed in 30p. I will be doing al the Post using FCS 2.

What are your suggestions?

Thanks,
Ryan

24/30p will give you a different feel than 60i. That's the main reason for choosing one over the other. 60i/60p will have a more "reality" feel to it with the smooth motion and everything crisp to the eye. 24p will have a more juttery motion to movement and a more cinematic "feel" to it.

Ben

Does anyone here ever shoot a wedding in 24p? Has any of their clients commented on the look being bad or good. I just don't want to shoot all the wedding in 24 wishing I had not.

The last wedding I shot I did in 24p. The wedding I'm shooting tonight I'm doing in 24p. These are the only weddings I have done at that setting. I'm currently piecing together the first 24p wedding and it looks pretty good. I did notice on another project I did in 24p for a church choir the exterior brick shots I had gotten seemed a little strange when in slow-motion. So when I did exteriors yesterday at the rehearsal I shot in 60i (just for the panning of the brickwork). The client loved it though and asked for me to dupe 25 DVDs more that what they originally asked for.

When I have a highlight or something finished I'll post a link to it so you can see what a ceremony looks like in 24p. This should help others with this question too. I know I looked around and I even think I asked about this same thing and no one answered so I took a chance.

Thanks Nicolas!

I think we are both onto something. Shoot the before and the reception at your discretion at 60i and the ceremony at 24p. Seems like a great combo.

Thanks again,
Ryan

I think a lot of it depends on the software you'll be using for post. If you plan on using slow motion, consider that not every software is going to put your project on your hard drive at 24p. You may end up with 30fps after putting it in witch means every 4th frame is a repeat. So slow motion shots look, well, bad.

That is what happend to me. I was using Pinnacle studio 9 software. Now I use Final Cut Pro. No issues.

As far as the look, If you are marketing your product to look like a "movie" then 24fps would be very effective.

I think a lot of it depends on the software you'll be using for post. If you plan on using slow motion, consider that not every software is going to put your project on your hard drive at 24p. You may end up with 30fps after putting it in witch means every 4th frame is a repeat. So slow motion shots look, well, bad.

That is what happend to me. I was using Pinnacle studio 9 software. Now I use Final Cut Pro. No issues.

As far as the look, If you are marketing your product to look like a "movie" then 24fps would be very effective.

I am using Final Cut Studio 2.

What about 30p Vs 60i. i use 30 all the time and iam very happy with. Do you guys find 60i ideal for weddings?

Closest I get is 25p - Oh I am in PAL land, its all I get with my JVC HD110 ;) No real point in 24p here lol

Works for me, sorry for the pointless post

Ian

I use GL2's, so I can't shoot in true 24P. However, I've always shot weddings using the "frame" mode, which is pretty similar to 24P. I love it.

I shoot all of my material in 24p and it works great. The clients love the look of it, even if they don't know what makes it look the way it does. If you have some good software for slow motion you can still do it fine. I use Sony Vegas as it works the best with 24p footage in my experience (at least on PC) and it's not very expensive. Many things on TV are shot in 24p now and I think that 1080p/24p is the way of the future. You have to be more sensitive with your camera movements when shooting in 24p, but if you treat it right you can get great results.

I personally love the aesthetic of 24p/f. However bear in mind if you are an editor that relies on slow motion a lot it might not be the best choice.

Can you mix 24p and 30 or 60i together in the same project? What do you set your project settings to?

With regards to the XH-A1, I don't believe you can mix 1080 60i and 24f interchangeably on the same tape.

I guess if you shoot the ceremony on 24f and change tapes after and shoot 60i the rest of the wedding, you could do it like that. especialy since the ceremony is generaly within an hour timeframe for your standard weddings.

I think Rob means editing can u mix? I use Avid and it allows that but really depends on your NLE, I would say now days are fairly flexible to do that in most NLE packages.

Closest I get is 25p - Oh I am in PAL land, its all I get with my JVC HD110 ;) No real point in 24p here lol

Works for me, sorry for the pointless post

Ian

Ian are you shooting HDV or DV? You'll get 24p if you want it in HDV but not DV with the HD110. Though for what its worth 25p looks just as good.

Are u liking the HD100 for wedding recording? I've thought of doing it using a Firestore. Still not sure.

Drew

With regards to the XH-A1, I don't believe you can mix 1080 60i and 24f interchangeably on the same tape.

You can. FCS 2 captures it as second cut even if it is set not to.

I have learned that A. It is not worth shooting in 2 separate modes because it is a PITA to deal with in Post. I have 2 frame rates on my Intro video and I had to either chop the 60i down to 24f or the other way around. The 60i > looked bad. I was initially worried that the 24F would look bad in 50% slow mo but it doesn't

Next wedding it is all going to be in 24F.

I shoot in 24p on DVX100As and edit in Vegas. Very 24p-friendly. Love it.

You can. FCS 2 captures it as second cut even if it is set not to.

I have learned that A. It is not worth shooting in 2 separate modes because it is a PITA to deal with in Post. I have 2 frame rates on my Intro video and I had to either chop the 60i down to 24f or the other way around. The 60i > looked bad. I was initially worried that the 24F would look bad in 50% slow mo but it doesn't

Next wedding it is all going to be in 24F.

Did the 60i look bad because you chopped it down to 24f? or just looked bad in general?

Did the 60i look bad because you chopped it down to 24f? or just looked bad in general?

When I took the 60i down to 24 in a 24 timeline in FCS2 it was bad. It was unwatchable!
I just finished up another Quick Wedding video of the same wedding and used all 24f and it renders much faster than having the 2 mixed. Like HOURS faster. I won't shoot another wedding in 60i. The 24 looks really good. I will post the video soon. It looks more cinematic than the previous one I posted.

I'm editing the two 24fps weddings I did last month and so far I am very impressed with the product. I just finished up a preparation highlight and it looks great. I'll try to get it up soon to be critiqued.

What do you use? I have been using my DVC30 in field mode at a shutter speed of 1\25 (I use PAL) and love the look. Where I am weddings are almost always at night so the low shutter speed helps keep the gain down.

Recently I bought a used DVX100 and will use this as my primary camera with the DVC30 relegated to secondary. In intend to edit both sets of footage on the same timeline (PPro) and want to end up with progressive footage (I know I'll have to process the DVC footage).

I'm now trying to decide on shutter speeds for both cameras and whether to go Frame mode on the DVC30 or keep it Field I'm going for the film look so want the DVX on 25p. The alternatives I have come up with are the following:

DVX 25p, Shutter speed - 1\25
DVC Field, Shutter speed - 1\25
As far as I understand it the above will keep initial resolution on the DVC plus match low-light friendly shutter speeds.

or as above but shutter speeds at 1\50, then of course I could go Frame on the DVC...

Basically I want to end up with low-light friendly settings which produce silmilar film-like footage that can be edited together. Not asking much is it...?

Anyway comments welcome, thanks

Hey gang,

When it comes to shooting 24p slo-mo CAN be an issue. There are work-arounds but it depends on the NLE you're using.

For starters you want to work on a 24p timeline. Easy to do in Vegas (yay!) unsure about others. To shoot slo-mo you run at 60i and use 1/120 shutter speed. That'll give you a decent 60 fps once you process it and slow it down. Mind you there is some resolution loss as each of the 60 frames is only every OTHER field in the 60i. ie: frame 1=odd, frame 2=even, frame 3=odd, etc.

There's a great little video tut on dvxuser.com that covers working in a 24p timeline and I think he uses Vegas but I can't tell right now because dvxuser has gone....pppllllll.

Check it out once it's up and running. I think it's under the Vegas section.

**CONFIRMED**
It's a sticky at the top of the Vegas section of DVXUser.com

sincerely,


ian

I shoot in 24p on DVX100As and edit in Vegas. Very 24p-friendly. Love it.

not for slowmotion under 80% though...

Have anyone try the Avid Media Composer Fluid Slow Motion Effect. I have tested a lot slow motion software I see that avid fluid slow motion are the best. Render time is not bad either. I can slow down the 60i clip to 20% and don't even see any flickering. With other software only slowdown to 50% then problem will come. But one problem if the camera guy take picture with flash then the effect will give a big flash look really funny. Avid Fluid Motion have their software patented I don't think anyone else able to copy them. Just like color correction Avid are the best in easiest to use and best interface . Fluid Slow Motion only available in avid high class suit like Media Composer and above not the Avid Express Pro.