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Solomon Chase May 12th, 2007, 01:27 AM Made a tinfoil raincover and shot a little cinematography test today. 720P WMV Video.
http://www.nightfallinteractive.com/sc/HV20/rain.wmv (30MB) (Save target as)
Philippe Simon May 12th, 2007, 02:15 AM Remarkable quality. The more I see footage the more amazed I am.
Fergus Anderson May 12th, 2007, 03:07 AM Solomon I am really impressed with this - awesome stuff!!
How did you construct a cover for the cam? Have you got a pic of it?
Did you use Vegas for the slow mo from 60i?
Did you colour correct any of it/how did you get the effect witht he headlights?
How did you steady the cam? was it all handheld or did you use a steadicam?
What settings did you use when recording? Did you use cine mode? If not could you explain any other manual settings? - shutter speed, contrast, 24p?
Thanks
Javier Gallen May 12th, 2007, 03:27 AM I submit all question Fergus made. :)
Kristin Stewart May 12th, 2007, 04:08 AM One of the most beautiful footages from this little cam ! Congrats ! Do you have more ? Pleeeease....
Maximilian Friedrich May 12th, 2007, 06:16 AM I am really impressed - looks great! Just velocity to 50% in vegas or how did you make the slowmotion sequence. Did you use the cinemode?
Greetz Max
David Grieser May 12th, 2007, 08:16 AM Amazing!
I love the shots, the color, the transitions and the music.
Just beautifully put together :D
Hope to see more soon...
Alan Ortiz May 12th, 2007, 08:58 AM This makes me want to:
A Sell my HD100
B Buy a Canon A1 for work
C Use the remaining money to buy an HV20 for PLAY!!!
Seriously though. Looks amazing. How do you did the color correction? What way were things swung? Great work.
Ben Troxell May 12th, 2007, 09:45 AM Wow, i don't know what to say. That was epic. Very nice job!
Ron Lemming May 12th, 2007, 10:06 AM Wow.. amazing. Apart from being the most beautiful footage I have seen from the HV20 so far, that was also the most stable footage I have seen from the HV20 so far. I can't see any rolling shutter distortion anywhere in your footage. How did you stabilize it? What's your secret?
Glenn Thomas May 12th, 2007, 10:15 AM Yes, very nicely done! Great colour correction too.
Joe Marques May 12th, 2007, 10:40 AM Outstanding. Love the tonality and overall look. Well done. Hope to hear more on how you did it.
Solomon Chase May 12th, 2007, 11:44 AM Sorry I forgot to post my settings!
No steadicam etc.. Just a tripod. There is some rolling shutter artifacts if you look for them. Mainly the lightning.
My Camera Settings:
Shutter Priority Mode
Shutter Speed: 100
Exposure Locked: -2
Custom HV20 Settings
Col. Depth -1
Sharpness -1
Contrast -1
Brightness -1
Color Correction:
Color Curves (more yellow in highlights)
Slow motion was done with vegas. :)
Martin Newsome May 12th, 2007, 11:52 AM how did you do the pull down for 24p solomon ???????????????
Neo Castillo May 12th, 2007, 11:54 AM Are you using a 35mm adapter here?
Ron Lemming May 12th, 2007, 11:56 AM Just a tripod. There is some rolling shutter artifacts if you look for them. Mainly the lightning.You mean you ran with the camera on the tripod? I got severe rolling shutter artifacting when I took my HV20 for a walk with a home made stabilizer.
Martin Newsome May 12th, 2007, 12:15 PM can you also upload your before color correction footage so we could see solomon thanxxxxxxxxxxxxx
David Garvin May 12th, 2007, 12:28 PM What's happening at 38 and 39 seconds that causes those partial-frame flashes/glitches? Did nobody else notice this?
Robert Ducon May 12th, 2007, 12:41 PM David, Solomon said those were CMOS rolling shutter artifacts - i've never seen these with my HV20, but I would assume that's the cause as well.
Neo Castillo May 12th, 2007, 12:46 PM What's happening at 38 and 39 seconds that causes those partial-frame flashes/glitches? Did nobody else notice this?
Just when back to look at it and I really can't place what it is. It might just be a flash of lighting and the reason it looks so weird is because it reflecting off the foil? Just a guess.
Solomon Chase May 12th, 2007, 01:17 PM No 35mm adapter was used.
The HV20 has a large sensor so you can get shallow depth. Pulldown was removed with Cineform.
The "glitches" are, like I said, rolling shutter artifacts caused by the lightning. They wouldn't be so bad if I used a slower shutter like 48 or 60.
Color Graded vs RAW JPEG Attached....
Robert Harbour May 12th, 2007, 01:35 PM EDIT: answered my question...
what program did you use for color grading?
Solomon Chase May 12th, 2007, 03:05 PM Color curves in Vegas 7. Could be done just as easily in Final Cut, After Effects, Etc.
Ron Lemming May 12th, 2007, 03:33 PM There is some rolling shutter artifacts if you look for them. Mainly the lightning.Indeed, but the interesting thing is there was no image distortion going on in your footage due to the rolling shutter. I'm just so amazed by it because no matter how hard I tried with my HV20 I always got a distorted image when the camera was in motion.
Did you run with the camera on a tripod?
Solomon Chase May 12th, 2007, 03:41 PM Indeed, but the interesting thing is there was no image distortion going on in your footage due to the rolling shutter. I'm just so amazed by it because no matter how hard I tried with my HV20 I always got a distorted image when the camera was in motion.
Did you run with the camera on a tripod?
Yep, ran with the tripod. just gripped the head and let the legs stabilize the motion.
Because the slow mo was shot in 60i instead of 24p, rolling shutter is reduced 240 percent. (because the CMOS sensor is "read out" faster)
Josef Nazdar May 12th, 2007, 04:18 PM I really like it! Finally something epic.
Please post some more footage. ;-D
Thanx
Ron Lemming May 12th, 2007, 04:27 PM Yep, ran with the tripod. just gripped the head and let the legs stabilize the motion.
Because the slow mo was shot in 60i instead of 24p, rolling shutter is reduced 240 percent. (because the CMOS sensor is "read out" faster)Frankly, I didn't see any distortion in your 24p shots either. I think you have restored some of my faith in this camera with this little video.
John Hotze May 12th, 2007, 04:38 PM I know we're viewing less than minute of video but I bet that took awhile to shoot. I thought i was a well composed clip. Did you have much video thrown out? How much time was spent post to get to were ready to post? I suspect many hours. Hope you plan another shoot soon and will share it.
Mike Dulay May 12th, 2007, 04:38 PM Solomon,
Could you clue us in on what model of tripod that was? Curious about the weight as it holds stable so well.
Peter J Alessandria May 12th, 2007, 10:48 PM Color Graded vs RAW JPEG Attached....
Really nice work Solomon. Seems like underexposing in-camera and then using the Vegas color correction FX to bring up the levels a bit on green/yellow highlights is a great tip. I really like the look you created. I'm gonna try it out myself.
Also on the walking and shooting thing, you definitely have the steadiest hand out of all the stuff I've shot myself or seen other people post on line. It's a gift esp. with this camera which for me is "Shake City".
Xavier Etown May 13th, 2007, 07:47 PM Nice work! Can you tell me the software (vegas?) settings and camera settings (other than 60i) for the slow motion? Thanks a bunch!
Chris Hull May 15th, 2007, 04:48 AM Made a tinfoil raincover and shot a little cinematography test today. 720P WMV Video.
http://www.nightfallinteractive.com/sc/HV20/rain.wmv (30MB) (Save target as)
solomon of all the hv20 clips put out for viewing yours is the only one that will play on my pc wmp.it would be great if you could at some point put some sunny day footage out possibly i as well as p film.cheers chris
Kevin Borein May 16th, 2007, 03:19 AM I am going crazy trying to render a short music video in vegas 7. I can get all the clips togetehr and synced and they are all in native m2t but I cannot get the stupid thing to render. How did you import your vid into vegas and what settings did you use for rendering
Robert Hicks May 16th, 2007, 04:20 PM I really like it! Finally something epic.
Please post some more footage. ;-D
Thanx
+2
This is really good work!
Owen Meek May 18th, 2007, 04:42 AM amazing! wow! hv20 rocks!
Joe Marques May 18th, 2007, 05:08 AM I am going crazy trying to render a short music video in vegas 7. I can get all the clips togetehr and synced and they are all in native m2t but I cannot get the stupid thing to render. How did you import your vid into vegas and what settings did you use for rendering
Since he used cineform it's likely that he converted the files to AVI. That's what I do when removing pull-down while capturing with NEO HDV by cineform.
Daniele Lauretti May 22nd, 2007, 05:42 AM Solomon, what's the music you used in the video?
Solomon Chase May 22nd, 2007, 10:06 PM Hey everyone!
The music is "Jeremy Enigk - A New Beginning"
I threw out 75% of footage I shot :) 30 mins of shooting, an hour of editing and color grading etc.
I just used the default 720p WMV export from vegas
Victor Woo May 22nd, 2007, 11:34 PM I'm newby in DV shooting, so maybe this is a silly question.
What's really is "Rolling shutter" mean? Isn't is used when manufacturing doors and windows? And how did you use it in your shooting?
Thanks for your reply. I'm waiting for it.
Solomon Chase May 22nd, 2007, 11:52 PM I'm newby in DV shooting, so maybe this is a silly question.
What's really is "Rolling shutter" mean? Isn't is used when manufacturing doors and windows? And how did you use it in your shooting?
Thanks for your reply. I'm waiting for it.
Rolling shutter is a problem some cheaper cameras have. It make the image slant and wobble if you move camera and pan too fast.
Adam Perry May 23rd, 2007, 08:35 AM possibly a stupid question, but ill ask anyway.
i see alot of people rendering at 1280x720. But the footage thats shot is 1440x1080, and they are different ratios. Am I missing something?
Jay Cowley May 24th, 2007, 07:42 AM possibly a stupid question, but ill ask anyway.
i see alot of people rendering at 1280x720. But the footage thats shot is 1440x1080, and they are different ratios. Am I missing something?
same aspect ratio (16:9) but just different HD format, 720P instead of 1080i, mainly because 720p is the prefferred format on the web, faster downloading/streaming.
Tom Ellingsen May 24th, 2007, 04:32 PM I already wanted this camera, so just went in here to find some footage from it, and after viewing alot of mediocre ones, I found this. GODDAMN! it really shows that this camera isn't just worh the money, it's worth twice as much. and to think that this was "only" 720p as opposed to it's 1080i capabilites...
there's no doubt in my mind anymore, I'm buying this. now. :) Nice video Solomon.
Josh Green May 24th, 2007, 05:04 PM Really freakin cool! What was the music? whoops, just saw the answer, thanks.
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